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IrishLax

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Here is the problem with TP's logic:

We're taking 7-8 more players. Cool.

2 RB = must have
1 slot = must have

That's it. Another DB, OL, OLB, DE, etc. are NOT requirements. Hell, we already have two OLBs in this class plus Councel and Ishaq from last year. So why the hell does the staff turn away Schutt? I can only think of 2 reasons.

1. Maybe they don't think he's as good as the services say he is... because you always make room for a difference maker. I don't care what sport it is, you make room for an elite guy.
2. They are really confident in some other pieces they like more.

I'm leaning towards #2.... because if you trust that the staff can close (which they did last year like I have never seen another staff do before... flipping two 5* DEs and grabbing a third with a 4:30 AM visit? Pretty darn good...) then you have to think the staff believes they are going to get:

1. Jarron Jones
2. Ifeadi Odenigbo
3. One of Armani Reeves/Keivarae Russel/TJ Davis... basically whatever skill guy they decide they still want or need... probably dependent on the two RBs they take.
4. One of Peat, Banner, Garnett or Stanley

That leaves one spot remaining (at most) for a Shaq Thompson, DGB, Cyrus Jones or whatever home run they try to hit.

When you look at it that way, I get it. What I think was a HUGE error was taking a guy like Turner when you have Badger, Prosise and Baratti all on board. Would I rather have a guy like Schutt that could play NG or OG over Turner? Yes. 100/100 times. Would I rather have Schutt over Byron Marshall, William Mahone, Jarron Jones, Ifeadi Odenigbo, Armani Reeves, Ian Thomas, Shaq Thompson and Andrus Peat? No.

So we all just have to pray that the staff bowls a strike on all of their top prospects. If they miss on even one then this was a monumental error and no amount of sugar coating will cover that.
 

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Here is the problem with TP's logic:

We're taking 7-8 more players. Cool.

2 RB = must have
1 slot = must have

That's it. Another DB, OL, OLB, DE, etc. are NOT requirements. Hell, we already have two OLBs in this class plus Councel and Ishaq from last year. So why the hell does the staff turn away Schutt? I can only think of 2 reasons.

1. Maybe they don't think he's as good as the services say he is... because you always make room for a difference maker. I don't care what sport it is, you make room for an elite guy.
2. They are really confident in some other pieces they like more.

I'm leaning towards #2.... because if you trust that the staff can close (which they did last year like I have never seen another staff do before... flipping two 5* DEs and grabbing a third with a 4:30 AM visit? Pretty darn good...) then you have to think the staff believes they are going to get:

1. Jarron Jones
2. Ifeadi Odenigbo
3. One of Armani Reeves/Keivarae Russel/TJ Davis... basically whatever skill guy they decide they still want or need... probably dependent on the two RBs they take.
4. One of Peat, Banner, Garnett or Stanley

That leaves one spot remaining (at most) for a Shaq Thompson, DGB, Cyrus Jones or whatever home run they try to hit.

When you look at it that way, I get it. What I think was a HUGE error was taking a guy like Turner when you have Badger, Prosise and Baratti all on board. Would I rather have a guy like Schutt that could play NG or OG over Turner? Yes. 100/100 times. Would I rather have Schutt over Byron Marshall, William Mahone, Jarron Jones, Ifeadi Odenigbo, Armani Reeves, Ian Thomas, Shaq Thompson and Andrus Peat? No.

So we all just have to pray that the staff bowls a strike on all of their top prospects. If they miss on even one then this was a monumental error and no amount of sugar coating will cover that.

This is exactly how I feel.... but I would still take this kid.
 
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yup it sure did for me great post and thanks for the well needed wake up call..sux to lose tommy but i would put every name mentioned above ahead of tommy...good luck to you tommy..............................go irish...

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WRs- Darboh, Chris Brown, Cyrus Jones, Treggs....you got to think 1 of these will pull/switch over.


So you would put Chris Brown, a 3*, 80th ranked WR (according to Rivals) over the 5th ranked, high 4* DT (again.. according to Rivals)????


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Irish2015

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this whole schutt thing has me wondering will mahone's scholly get pulled in favor of waiting on the marshalls?
 

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Here is the problem with TP's logic:

We're taking 7-8 more players. Cool.

2 RB = must have
1 slot = must have

That's it. Another DB, OL, OLB, DE, etc. are NOT requirements. Hell, we already have two OLBs in this class plus Councel and Ishaq from last year. So why the hell does the staff turn away Schutt? I can only think of 2 reasons.

1. Maybe they don't think he's as good as the services say he is... because you always make room for a difference maker. I don't care what sport it is, you make room for an elite guy.
2. They are really confident in some other pieces they like more.

If it is one of the two reasons you gave I don't think it is number one because it isn't just the recruiting services, it is: Florida, Penn St., Iowa, Nebraska, Miami, Auburn, Ohio St., USC, and others. Maybe he isn't as good as the recruiting services say he is, but with his offers, he is OK.

Fingers crossed for number 2.

I still don't understand why the staff wouldn't talk him as a plan B; especially after the roller coaster last year.

Kelly really just should have taken him so we would be popping the bubbly rather than confused and fighting with each other. Really when you think about it, it's quite selfish of Kelly.
 
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No but he like all posters on this site are entitled to their opinion and entiled to challenge a coachs decision. Did you support all of Weis's decisions blindly? If so, how'd that work out for you?
 

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Im jumping over from the Schutt thread with the same point here.. BK and crew have been doing this recruiting thing for decades.

Schutt is NOT needed. How do I know? I know because BK had him ready to committ and turned him away.

But apparently people on this site know more about what ND football needs than BK and Diaco etc..

Remember Diaco? The man that pulled off one of the most incredible commitments at 430 in the morning last year. That was reason enough for me to trust in their process.
 
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Relax.

Take the time off you need right now.

Shut off the computers and come back in the morning with a clear mind.

All is well in Rockne's house.

We are headed back to where we belong.

Now, let's rest well.

We have 13 damn good recruits.

More are coming soon.
 

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**** what a day. Look I feel we ****ed up by not taking Schutt's commitment but what do I know. I will bitch and moan and move on.
 
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Brothers:

Relax.

Take the time off you need right now.

Shut off the computers and come back in the morning with a clear mind.

All is well in Rockne's house.

We are headed back to where we belong.

Now, let's rest well.

We have 13 damn good recruits.

More are coming soon.

I WANT BLOOD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Thank you
 

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I'd like to keep this thread going as it started out with good discussion, but it will get deleted if need be.
 

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Okay. Innappropriate posts, repsonses to them, and responses to those responses were all deleted. You guys were banging those posts out faster than I could delete them. If anyone has an argument that must be settled, take it to PM, please. Any other innappropriate posts will be deleted.

Says who? You?

You deleted all my posts.
 
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