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Giddyup said:
That’s a nice tale.
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I mean if you were on the board for a while you would have seen when he was here the first time everyone agreed the only other job he would have taken was with the Bears. And then he did take that job. And while having that job, he still lived in South Bend.

The guy only wanted to take the jobs he wanted. He has been a NFL and P5 coach for so many years he probably has enough money to happily retire instead of taking a job he doesn't want.
 
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Spoke to a guy who knows the coach that does something with the defense for Marshall said our offensive line was soft.
 
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T-Boone said:
Bama probably has a new oline coach every year and they probably always play at a high level so they what’s the go?
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They do have better OL talent than just about everyone. It would be easy to have a revolving door at that position. Between recruits and transfers over the last 4 years it looks like they've had about 13 four stars and 3 five stars come in during that period with just a couple 3 stars.
 
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Some of this is laziness. Fisher and Alt were just lazy as sh*t in this game. Patterson clearly has the want-to, but he's gotta start being a leader and holding the others accountable.

Unfortunately, there's no salvaging Correll and Lugg. They're both way too physically limited. Correll being listed at 308 is so funny I forgot to laugh. He's 285, at most. And what's worse is that as small as he is, he plays smaller. He gets stood up EVERY. DAMN. TIME.

Lugg is effectively useless unless the guy he's responsible for run blocking is literally right in front of him. Any stunts or adjusts, he's garbage. Pass protection, he's garbage.

Staff needs to wake the hell up and realize that those 2 aren't good enough. I don't care if Spindler isn't ready, he cannot possibly be worse than this. It really doesn't make sense why Kristofic isn't playing, when he's already shown to be superior to both of them when he got in for Patterson.
 
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ulukinatme said:
They do have better OL talent than just about everyone. It would be easy to have a revolving door at that position. Between recruits and transfers over the last 4 years it looks like they've had about 13 four stars and 3 five stars come in during that period with just a couple 3 stars.
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My point though is their oline never seems to be far below what it should be. Whereas NDs is on the reg.
 
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T-Boone said:
My point though is their oline never seems to be far below what it should be. Whereas NDs is on the reg.
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On the regular seems a bit strong. It's really just been the last two years. We've also had 13 four stars recruited in the last 4 years, but no five stars and a number of those certainly haven't hit their potential yet. Alabama does often have a revolving door of assistants and position coaches, but they also have the best talent to work with year in and year out. I don't think we've seen any of Saban's rehabilitated coaches really struggle in that environment.
 
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Alabama’s OL the last two years is below what it should be. Not the best example. There is no excuse for the drop off ND has had, but OL can definitely be a fickle group to get right and stay right. Wisconsin, Iowa other traditional powers having issues.

COVID I think is partly to blame for certain teams. You have old ass dudes that are very good in some cases. You have old ass dudes taking up spots in others. You have older DL than usual etc.
 
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Dale said:
Alabama’s OL the last two years is below what it should be. Not the best example. There is no excuse for the drop off ND has had, but OL can definitely be a fickle group to get right and stay right. Wisconsin, Iowa other traditional powers having issues.

COVID I think is partly to blame for certain teams. You have old ass dudes that are very good in some cases. You have old ass dudes taking up spots in others. You have older DL than usual etc.
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You bring up a good point with COVID. 6th year options aside, I wonder how much development has been hurt with illnesses, long COVID, reduced workout schedules due to lockdowns? There could be other factors that have led to the OL's struggles the last two years.
 
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ulukinatme said:
You bring up a good point with COVID. 6th year options aside, I wonder how much development has been hurt with illnesses, long COVID, reduced workout schedules due to lockdowns? There could be other factors that have led to the OL's struggles the last two years.
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Idk about that stuff I just know this year is the last some of these guys will be buying time on rosters. South Carolina I think has had basically the same OL for the most part for 3 years and they’ve stunk the entire time. Lugg in NDs case. It just throws off the natural succession on a lot of rosters.
 
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Injuries have caught up to Lugg.

I’m not even asking for wholesale change at this point. I simply want a rotation. Just try a new set of hogs. If you’re going to dumb down the playbook for Pyne and Angeli (your playbook was shite to begin with), then you can’t tell me the younger OL on the team can’t manage a few snaps.
 
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What is Lugg going to say. “My coach sucks and has lost it if he ever had it”
 
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Maybe they’re waiting for the bye week to change personnel. They can’t possibly be not seeing what we see; an OLine that can’t get it done.
The bye week is going to be too late
I suspect it’s HH making the call. Similar to underperforming Rees Freeman just doesn’t have the expertise to “take over”
 
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Dale said:
“We have the best offensive line coach in the country”

“We don’t have the best line and it’s not close”

He was talking about Hiestand not the line itself.
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I still don’t believe that. From HH’s first time he was here. He was part of the problem for not getting enough line in 18. He might be good but the best is just not true.
 
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irishff1014 said:
I still don’t believe that. From HH’s first time he was here. He was part of the problem for not getting enough line in 18. He might be good but the best is just not true.
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I'm not qualified to make a ruling on OL coaching but it seems like our Pro-Bowl selected olinemen in the NFL who claim that Harry is the best, should at least be worth a few points for Harry, right?
 
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One thing if we really want to get weird with hypotheticals that won’t happen is I’m wondering if you consider instead of the obvious:

Alt - Kristofic - Patterson - Spindler - Fisher

suggestions if they focus on the interior and consider:

Alt - Fisher - Patterson - Kristofic - Baker

Is that not 3 spots you’re confident in, 1 spot we should be okay with and one a question mark but I saw more praise for Baker than Spindler over the summer. You’d have a run game at least.
 
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i would love to see a move like that. really shore up whole left side and interior. you can provide help weak side with RB/TE
 
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Dale said:
One thing if we really want to get weird with hypotheticals that won’t happen is I’m wondering if you consider instead of the obvious:

Alt - Kristofic - Patterson - Spindler - Fisher

suggestions if they focus on the interior and consider:

Alt - Fisher - Patterson - Kristofic - Baker

Is that not 3 spots you’re confident in, 1 spot we should be okay with and one a question mark but I saw more praise for Baker than Spindler over the summer. You’d have a run game at least.
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Irish Illustrated also mentioned hearing about Carmody making a push here
 
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