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And we did it with some mediocre recruiting classes, by NC standards. 4 years of recruting classes like this years will make us a very different team.
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And we did it with some mediocre recruiting classes, by NC standards. 4 years of recruting classes like this years will make us a very different team.
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None of that fooling around with "faux-scholarships" is going to happen, but stuff going on vis-a-vis Slaughter, unannounced transfer, medical disabilities, etc could have Kelly counting numbers differently than we think. This year has been far more "opaque" as to the actual number than last year.
That said, and therefore admitting ignorance, I'd make a wild stab that if Vanderdoes, Prevot, and Fitts all wanted to come as early as that magic weekend, Kelly would shake all their hands, Diaco would smile, and everyone would go party. What then happened with the other guys would probably mean not being accepted, but as said, I don't know what the count is anymore.
That said, and therefore admitting ignorance, I'd make a wild stab that if Vanderdoes, Prevot, and Fitts all wanted to come as early as that magic weekend, Kelly would shake all their hands, Diaco would smile, and everyone would go party. What then happened with the other guys would probably mean not being accepted, but as said, I don't know what the count is anymore.
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I think we will have room for more than people think. Slaughter looks unlikely, AA is gone, Nichols is likely to MS, and there is usually a transfer or MS surprise before spring.
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Why is it sleazy? It obviously offers a competitive advantage, but as long as the recruit keeps his scholarship, then the school has held up its side of the bargain. No one is getting exploited.
There are ways to close the recruiting gap with other top programs without compromising our values. I think this is one of them, though I'm no expert on NCAA bylaws. As long as transferring athletic scholarships into academic scholarships isn't illegal, we ought to consider it.
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Ironman: I actually agree with all those "possibilities" and believe that the staff has definitive scholarship-freeing answers in each area. But I don't want to seem to know more than I do. So, for me, it's the defensive bigs that have the welcome mat at the door.
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Thank you.. ND proved it this yr. We are Elite, and we do it right.. I love winning, and keeping my respect..
LoveThee
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I do think that transferring a player from athletic to academic scholarship is sleazy.
The group that is being forgotten in all this, are the regular students. By moving a player onto academic scholarship you put regular students at a disadvantage who could use that scholarship money.
Kids get rejected from the University to make room for athletes, which is fine, because the athletes deserve to be at ND just as much as other students. But, at what point does becoming "elite" (some may argue we already are) hurt the rest of the University and student body.
It is also not fair to the player. They committed to play football in college. They want that to be a part of their experience, surely. Maybe they can't crack the depth chart at ND, but maybe they could at another school and still stand a chance at the NFL. I have no doubt that some of the elite SEC rejects could make it.
Beyond that, what if the player does not want to go through the transfer process. Then they are stuck at ND with no hopes of living their dream. Sure, they will get a great degree. But will they still get the same help football players get? They may not get the help they need to succeed if they are no longer in the program.
Just my opinion.
The group that is being forgotten in all this, are the regular students. By moving a player onto academic scholarship you put regular students at a disadvantage who could use that scholarship money.
Kids get rejected from the University to make room for athletes, which is fine, because the athletes deserve to be at ND just as much as other students. But, at what point does becoming "elite" (some may argue we already are) hurt the rest of the University and student body.
It is also not fair to the player. They committed to play football in college. They want that to be a part of their experience, surely. Maybe they can't crack the depth chart at ND, but maybe they could at another school and still stand a chance at the NFL. I have no doubt that some of the elite SEC rejects could make it.
Beyond that, what if the player does not want to go through the transfer process. Then they are stuck at ND with no hopes of living their dream. Sure, they will get a great degree. But will they still get the same help football players get? They may not get the help they need to succeed if they are no longer in the program.
Just my opinion.
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The hang-up is going to be getting a student qualified for the academic scholarship. I think we underestimate just how much easier that is at an SEC school than at Notre Dame. I'll give you LSU as an example, since I know the Louisiana system better. If you have an ACT score of 22 or SAT of 940 (along with a few academic requirements that any NCAA athlete would meet), you're qualified for a full, 4-year scholarship to LSU as part of Louisiana's TOPS program. If you're from out of state, the requirement jumps to a 23 or equivalent SAT. At Notre Dame, you wouldn't even get past the first round of application reviews with those numbers, let alone qualify for a full scholarship. Notre Dame's typical incoming student has a 31-34 ACT.
A few schools have posted the NCAA rules on this topic. Here's one from WSU (the subsection titled "Counters" has most of the important info):
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No offense intended, however I disagree that the school has held up their part of the bargain in the scenario you're describing.
Part of the bargain is player development by the coaching staff. If a player doesn't develop to expectations, a portion of the blame certainly falls on the players shoulders however the coaching staff also has accountability in that. As a coach, it is your responsibility to put players in a position to succeed, work to their strengths and build a better team, you have to live up to that responsibility when building these young men into adults.
We are after all talking about 18-22 year olds who are still developing. Quiting on someone is not OK once you've made a committment.
^ This. I thought every ND fan was aware and proud of the fact they don't let morons in their school no matter how good they are. I hope this never changes. It woul completely ruin my comeback to all my friends when they but my ba**s when ND loses. ND players know their times tables!
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By keeping up the school's part of the bargain, it depends on what the coaches tell the recruit. Do they promise, "you will have four years of free top-notch education at Notre Dame." Or do they promise, "you will play football for four years and get a free top-notch education at Notre Dame."
Some kids may not be as interested in a great ND degree as they are in a degree from say, Northwestern, and playing football
Some kids may not be as interested in a great ND degree as they are in a degree from say, Northwestern, and playing football
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This was actually pretty on-topic since the topic of the thread was Prevot.
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What if she's real but you've never actually met her?
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I think most idiot internet girls are overrated, and laugh at the dudes that think they're hot.
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Seriously... As a way to get away from this crap... play both at the same time.
Fun ensues.
EDIT: Turn it up the bass.
I love them both! Great work!
I usually agree with you most of the time. This time I am disagreeing. She is smoking hot.
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Yeah, she is but seems down to earth too, for someone who has gotten so famous so quickly.
And I don't think that Kate would be overrated on this or any other Internet Message Board.
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Its a personal preference. However I have to say that there is something wrong with you.
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Pornstar who is friends with Gronk per when the New Englad Patriots I think told him to stop hanging out with her (right? was a long time ago).
Kate Upton by a mile if memory serves me correctly.
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This is Bibi. kate Upton in a landslide.
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This is Bibi. kate Upton in a landslide.
I wouldn't kick her out of bed.
I don't normally dig "meaty" girls, but she looks great naked.
