Nov 19 | Boston College

[sharksamardzija8345]

Because we'd probably rough the punter and get penalized.

coach em up..

 

[irishtrinity]

Wow that was so close.. They had the best defensive plan we just grinded it out... Go Irish Beat Stanford

 

[DillonHall]

coach em up..

Same could be said for setting up a return, but apparently it's easier said than done.

 

[sharksamardzija8345]

Same could be said for setting up a return, but apparently it's easier said than done.

I just don't think we have the athletes to return punts..

 

[DillonHall]

I just don't think we have the athletes to return punts..

Yeah, you might be right. I just really though Theo was the guy (hopefully he has a Jonas-like senior year).

 

[BGIF]

This is an overly general statement. The 2008, 2009 teams played hard and pulled out their share of close games.

Too general? Citing your chosen team years:

'08 - Lost 5 of the last 7 games of the season.

'09 - Lost the last 4 games of the season setting an All-Time ND mark for Snatching Defeat From The Jaws Of Victory.


The '08 and '09 teams were 1 (Navy) and 7 (UNC, PIT, BC, SYR, USC, Navy, PIT, CON, SU) in months named November. Wanna recap those games?

 

[jonesman]

Folks,
Face a coupole realities. First, Tommy Rees is a MAC level QB and you folks are accepting him being our QB. He has reached his ceiling and it is reachable by any avg D-1 player. For all you folks saying I just hate on Tommy. You are right in the fact I do not accept mediocre. He is sooo average it is pathetic. BC figured out really quick how to stop our AVERAGE QB. Rush 2-3 players and drop 8-9. Our QB can't beat anybody with his legs and surely can't overwhelm with his arm.
Second, our pass defense is sooo average. Luck has to be salivating for next week. He will shred us.

 

[DillonHall]

Too general? Citing your chosen team years:

'08 - Lost 5 of the last 7 games of the season.

'09 - Lost the last 4 games of the season setting an All-Time ND mark for Snatching Defeat From The Jaws Of Victory.


The '08 and '09 teams were 1 (Navy) and 7 (UNC, PIT, BC, SYR, USC, Navy, PIT, CON, SU) in months named November. Wanna recap those games?

Thanks for the research; he didn't say anything about November. And I just didn't like his word choice, saying that we 'folded.' I took it to mean that we quit, but I don't think that was the case under Weis, even if they finished off those years poorly. They were poorly conditioned and coached; 'folding' had nothing to do with it.

 

[sharksamardzija8345]

Folks,
Face a coupole realities. First, Tommy Rees is a MAC level QB and you folks are accepting him being our QB. He has reached his ceiling and it is reachable by any avg D-1 player. For all you folks saying I just hate on Tommy. You are right in the fact I do not accept mediocre. He is sooo average it is pathetic. BC figured out really quick how to stop our AVERAGE QB. Rush 2-3 players and drop 8-9. Our QB can't beat anybody with his legs and surely can't overwhelm with his arm.
Second, our pass defense is sooo average. Luck has to be salivating for next week. He will shred us.

agree completely with everything said here

 

[phgreek]

I just don't think we have the athletes to return punts..

takes sack...not top end skills

I hear how it takes a special kind of player to do it well...you need to be able to catch the ball with folks flying at you, then you need to be very quick to make someone miss, then you need to be able to open it up

...Zibby was pretty good because he had no fear, I'll admit it...I was always surprised when he broke one because I didn't think he was particularaly quick or fast...but there wasn't anyone or anything on a football field that made him scared...and there wasn't a situation that made him pucker-up. ...so find the nastiest skill guy you've got, and put him back there...Looks like Collinsworth or Jackson to me...

thats my overly simplified approach...

 

[DillonHall]

Yeah, I agree with you for the most part. But Zibby was an athletic freak.

 

[calvegas04]

Folks,
Face a coupole realities. First, Tommy Rees is a MAC level QB and you folks are accepting him being our QB. He has reached his ceiling and it is reachable by any avg D-1 player. For all you folks saying I just hate on Tommy. You are right in the fact I do not accept mediocre. He is sooo average it is pathetic. BC figured out really quick how to stop our AVERAGE QB. Rush 2-3 players and drop 8-9. Our QB can't beat anybody with his legs and surely can't overwhelm with his arm.
Second, our pass defense is sooo average. Luck has to be salivating for next week. He will shred us.

You know he is a sophomore right? You know he is playing better than Brady Quinn was during his sophomore year.

 

[frankygoes69]

So, what happens if u$c beats the Ducks?

 

[GreatGolson]

very dissapointed in Tommy. as far as im concerned, the qb race is wide open next year. i hope Golson comes out on top because it means that the most athletic
qb since the Willimgham days (imo) will have a solid grip on the offense, and allow BK to open up his playbook more. in short, barring some miraculous turnaround (or a coaching blunder) that was tommy rees's last home game as a starter

 

[jonesman]

I would like all you Rees supporters to tell me what we are going to do next year when we do not have a Michael Flloyd for Rees to dump off to. You are going to see teams lay their ears back and rip this kids head off.

He has not one bit of mobility and cannot improvise. You are going to see ND become pathetically bad on offense. I will take Crist with less accuracy for more mobility and stronger arm. Rees is NEVER going to be anything more than an above average Matt Lovechio. Yes, I went all Lovechio with Rees.

I predict Stanford plays the same D next week and makes Rees look even more silly. They will INT him at least 3 times.

 

[BGIF]

Thanks for the research; he didn't say anything about November. I just didn't like his word choice, saying that we 'folded.' I took it to mean that we quit, but I don't think that was the case under Weis, even if they finished off those years poorly. They were poorly conditioned and coached; 'folding' had nothing to do with it.

Syracuse had a better conditioned team? More talent? Correct me if I'm wrong but they're coach had been fired, hadn't he?

UConn's QB transferred from ND because he was 4th or 5th on the depth chart. Again UConn had a better conditioned team? More talent? Coaching?

Sadly, his post was correct. When the going gets tough, the tough get going. In '08 and '09more times that not that meant the other teams especially in the month of November.

Here are the '09 November games, note the closeness, wanna recap which team prevailed in the 4th Q for the wins?

L	11/07/09	21	Navy	23	South Bend
L	11/14/09	22	Pittsburgh	27	Pittsburgh
L	11/21/09	30	Connecticut	33	South Bend
L	11/28/09	38	Stanford	45	Palo Alto

 

[frankygoes69]

At least kiffen is smart enough to wear a bennie. What a tool bag or a strap-on-tool.

 

[jonesman]

Calves,
He is a sophmore who has started more than 12 games. He has the greatest WR ever at ND. He has an NFL caliber TE. He has better RB's than Quinn ever dreamed of. His OL is by far leaps above Brady. With a top flight QB, ND would be undefeated!!!

Wake up folks. Don't go looking at stats from times past. Quinn would have salivated to have Tommy's OL.

 

[dmort]

You know he is a sophomore right? You know he is playing better than Brady Quinn was during his sophomore year.

Somehow Rees has been able to win,despite his short comings.He is playing with a bum knee so why risk running ? The other problem that I saw was that the offensive line sucked just like in the USC game.They didnt control the line of scrimmage on runs.Pass blocking should be a little better too.

 

[DillonHall]

Syracuse had a better conditioned team? More talent? Correct me if I'm wrong but they're coach had been fired, hadn't he?

UConn's QB transferred from ND because he was 4th or 5th on the depth chart. Again UConn had a better conditioned team? More talent? Coaching?

Sadly, his post was correct. When the going gets tough, the tough get going. In '08 and '09more times that not that meant the other teams especially in the month of November.

Here are the '09 November games, note the closeness, wanna recap which team prevailed in the 4th Q for the wins?

L	11/07/09	21	Navy	23	South Bend
L	11/14/09	22	Pittsburgh	27	Pittsburgh
L	11/21/09	30	Connecticut	33	South Bend
L	11/28/09	38	Stanford	45	Palo Alto

Just because you lose doesn't mean that you quit. I don't understand how you think you can prove otherwise by providing scores of close losses. If I recall correctly, the UCONN game went into OT and it was on senior day. You're saying that just because they lost, they 'folded' in this situation? That's dumb.

 

[LOVEMYIRISH]

You know he is a sophomore right? You know he is playing better than Brady Quinn was during his sophomore year.

BQ had one of the worst HCs that year...not a fair comparison

 

[LOVEMYIRISH]

Somehow Rees has been able to win,despite his short comings.He is playing with a bum knee so why risk running ? The other problem that I saw was that the offensive line sucked just like in the USC game.They didnt control the line of scrimmage on runs.Pass blocking should be a little better too.

ND wins. The D basically won this game.

 

[LOVEMYIRISH]

Folks,
Face a coupole realities. First, Tommy Rees is a MAC level QB and you folks are accepting him being our QB. He has reached his ceiling and it is reachable by any avg D-1 player. For all you folks saying I just hate on Tommy. You are right in the fact I do not accept mediocre. He is sooo average it is pathetic. BC figured out really quick how to stop our AVERAGE QB. Rush 2-3 players and drop 8-9. Our QB can't beat anybody with his legs and surely can't overwhelm with his arm.
Second, our pass defense is sooo average. Luck has to be salivating for next week. He will shred us.

Excellent post...agreed on all points

 

[phgreek]

I'm not as down on Tommy. He is who he is. Most guys playing in their second year starting are Seniors. The biggest jump in Physical strength for the vast majority of players I've been around is between years 2 and 3 in a program. I think he'll be a different kid in terms of size and strength...he'll have another off season and spring behind him. He'll be mentally better off. I'm not writing him off

...but I'm not in the Tommy is the only answer camp either...its obvious if you know anything about football there are some things lacking right now...BUT, I am also positive he's better than the alternative right now.

The thing that stacks the odds against Tommy more than Tommy's decisions or physical tools are the apparent inability of our receivers to create their own space...w/o floyd drawing double teams, this is a huge concern. While Eifert can draw extra attention, it isn't the same...Tommy needs a player to emerge from one of the receivers...

In the end, I believe a mobile QB will be the survival option in the absence of Floyd...

Should be a fun spring and fall camp...I think Hendrix gets the nod.

 

[phork]

I was all over the Tommy koolaid during the Michigan game. He was reading and shredding that defense like a grater on soft cheddar. Since then I am not sure what has happened...

 

[DillonHall]

I'm not as down on Tommy. He is who he is. Most guys playing in their second year starting are Seniors. The biggest jump in Physical strength for the vast majority of players I've been around is between years 2 and 3 in a program. I think he'll be a different kid in terms of size and strength...he'll have another off season and spring behind him. He'll be mentally better off. I'm not writing him off

...but I'm not in the Tommy is the only answer camp either...its obvious if you know anything about football there are some things lacking right now...BUT, I am also positive he's better than the alternative right now.

The thing that stacks the odds against Tommy more than Tommy's decisions or physical tools are the apparent inability of our receivers to create their own space...w/o floyd drawing double teams, this is a huge concern. While Eifert can draw extra attention, it isn't the same...Tommy needs a player to emerge from one of the receivers...

In the end, I believe a mobile QB will be the survival option in the absence of Floyd...

Should be a fun spring and fall camp...I think Hendrix gets the nod.

I highly doubt that he'll get much bigger physically. In person, he just has a small frame and his arm strength and mobility are pretty much at their ceiling. So I'm with you- I don't think he'll be the best QB next spring.

 

[DillonHall]

I was all over the Tommy koolaid during the Michigan game. He was reading and shredding that defense like a grater on soft cheddar. Since then I am not sure what has happened...

Opponents have figured out how to exploit his weaknesses.

 

[phgreek]

I predict Stanford plays the same D next week and makes Rees look even more silly. They will INT him at least 3 times.

I hope they do...Kelly saw this game just like we did...knows who BC is...knows who Stanford is...Have a little faith...the guy is Mr. November.

He has had mediocre play at QB before, and he found a way to manufacture points. He is going to make Stanford stop some other things, and put in some wrinkles no one saw coming.

We may well end up in a situation where we are dealing with 8 in coverage, and still required to pass...but I doubt that will be on Tommy...

Not saying Tommy is beyond chucking an Int., but I don't see three unless our D gets shredded first.

 

[HereComeTheIrish]

I highly doubt that he'll get much bigger physically. In person, he just has a small frame and his arm strength and mobility are pretty much at their ceiling. So I'm with you- I don't think he'll be the best QB next spring.

Based on what you've seen, who's the answer? Only on what you've seen? You can't answer that because we've only seen Hendrix a hand full of plays, Crist blows and is out of here (thank goodness) and we have no idea what Golston is yet.

 

[HereComeTheIrish]

Opponents have figured out how to exploit his weaknesses.

Is 12-2 A weakness????????

Woo Hoo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!