Notre Dame Lacrosse Open thread

[irishrb]

Some interesting comments from Anish:

"I hope we have a great tournament. I really do. But
@NDlacrosse
legitimately had a chance to dogpile on Memorial Day. To have a room of people make a collective decision and say "Nah, they don't belong" is gross negligence. You've undermined the integrity of the entire format."

"Leaving @NDlacrosse
out of the tournament is an absolute joke. Complete joke. One of the worst decisions the selection committee has made. Clearly - watching games is not necessary to be on the committee."

 

[stpeteirish]

Some interesting comments from Anish:

"I hope we have a great tournament. I really do. But
@NDlacrosse
legitimately had a chance to dogpile on Memorial Day. To have a room of people make a collective decision and say "Nah, they don't belong" is gross negligence. You've undermined the integrity of the entire format."

"Leaving @NDlacrosse
out of the tournament is an absolute joke. Complete joke. One of the worst decisions the selection committee has made. Clearly - watching games is not necessary to be on the committee."

yeah we need to stop bitching at the ESPN guys. Quint also ripped them in his twitter. Paul C was almost unable to speak on the show he was so pissed. And now Shrop unloads. ESPN probably wanted us in. Lacrosse ratings are pretty tiny but ND is going to move the needle a lot more than Harvard for damned sure.
They guys who do our games know how good we are. Don't know how that didn't get communicated to the committee. ANd North Carolina's coach, Breschi was ON THE COMMITTEE! Thanks a lot shithead.

 

[FDNYIrish1]

Bottom line is we watched on Saturday what legitimately could have been a Memorial Day weekend matchup. And both of them are home for the tournament.

 

[tko]

Sad, that is all

 

[IrishLax]

If you used ELO or any other rating formula Duke + ND are both comfortably in. If you use eyeballs, Duke and ND are comfortably in. If you evenly apply the metrics, ND is bubble-in.

Instead, they went with some circle-jerk mentality that put in two schools that have zero chance of competing for a title.

Meanwhile, Maryland is going to have to play one of two teams that can beat them in the *quarterfinals* because seeding is so bad. Everyone got screwed but Ivies and Georgetown.

 

[irishrb]

Bottom line is we watched on Saturday what legitimately could have been a Memorial Day weekend matchup. And both of them are home for the tournament.

Absolutely! Classic Duke team....lose a few games during the season that you shouldn't but....typically.....get in the tourney and make a serious run. Their offense this year is insanely talented. Duke and ND are absolutely top contenders this year and not being in the tourney just tremendously devalues it!

 

[IrishLax]

Btw — the committee was:
-Penn grad who works for a Jesuit school
-Joe Breschi who literally hates Duke and Notre Dame, and who Notre Dame eliminated from the NCAAs
-Hobart coach
-Denver AD (Denver was extremely pissed at Notre Dame this year for dropping their game)
-Delaware AD

Three of the five had clear biases. One definitively had an axe to grind, and I really hope that Danowski and Corrigan didn’t already turn in their conference award ballots.

 

[FDNYIrish1]

Btw — the committee was:
-Penn grad who works for a Jesuit school
-Joe Breschi who literally hates Duke and Notre Dame, and who Notre Dame eliminated from the NCAAs
-Hobart coach
-Denver AD (Denver was extremely pissed at Notre Dame this year for dropping their game)
-Delaware AD

Three of the five had clear biases. One definitively had an axe to grind, and I really hope that Danowski and Corrigan didn’t already turn in their conference award ballots.

Breschi was also coach at OSU before heading back to Carolina.

 

[irishrb]

Btw — the committee was:
-Penn grad who works for a Jesuit school
-Joe Breschi who literally hates Duke and Notre Dame, and who Notre Dame eliminated from the NCAAs
-Hobart coach
-Denver AD (Denver was extremely pissed at Notre Dame this year for dropping their game)
-Delaware AD

Three of the five had clear biases. One definitively had an axe to grind, and I really hope that Danowski and Corrigan didn’t already turn in their conference award ballots.

Interesting...I just can't get over it. My family and I had pretty much decided to make the 6 hour trip up WHEN ND made Memorial Weekend....Now we probably won't even flick a single game on. I'm bitter.

 

[stpeteirish]

Btw — the committee was:
-Penn grad who works for a Jesuit school
-Joe Breschi who literally hates Duke and Notre Dame, and who Notre Dame eliminated from the NCAAs
-Hobart coach
-Denver AD (Denver was extremely pissed at Notre Dame this year for dropping their game)
-Delaware AD

Three of the five had clear biases. One definitively had an axe to grind, and I really hope that Danowski and Corrigan didn’t already turn in their conference award ballots.

No choice re UNC but the other four schools (Loyola Md was the chair's school) should never get another game vs ND, and therefore a paycheck., in any sport. And they're all schools that could use a paycheck.
Speaking of scheduling, we should move heaven and earth to get the mighty Harvard Crimson on ours. Even in Mass if that's what it takes.

 

[IrishLax]

Breschi was also coach at OSU before heading back to Carolina.

I had totally spaced on his Ohio State roots, too. I forgot he both has a soft spot for them that he talks about often AND hated that ND wiped the floor with them yearly in what at the time was the main midwestern rivalry game.

 

[Bridgegroom]

I may have been mistaken in criticizing Breschi. Allegedly he was asked to leave the room during the vote as UNC was still under consideration.

 

[Bridgegroom]

What can the Irish do to make sure this type of travesty never happens again? In summary, play 2 more games and be smarter about scheduling. Don't waste a Saturday game slot vs Detroit Mercy, play them mid week and pick up another strong OCC opponent on that Saturday. Play a mid-game week during Spring Break (we didn't this year). Why not use Mid Term week to take a southern trip which includes three games against quality opponents preferably from strong conferences. Don't play anyone twice especially within the ACC because of the concentration risk. Replace those duplicate ACC games with teams from a strong conference (this year the Ivies). Keep feeding the beast: the blossoming of the offense this year was a Program high point. This year's debacle is a lesson in risk management: take it out of the hands of the Selection Committee by being smarter at scheduling and planning. The boys will take care of the rest on the field......

 

[irishrb]

Watched the Harvard/Rutgers game....Rutgers 19 Harvard 9
Harvard played with a roster full of freshman and just outmatched...Absolutely mind boggling that they got in over Notre Dame...even more so after watching them play!
OSU lost 15-8 to Cornell too.....

 

[IrishLax]

It was jarring because clearly Ohio State and Harvard had absolutely no ability to compete. Harvard is much more egregious because they also had a bad RPI, bad ELO, and a number of other bad metrics.

The only team left that can run with Maryland is UVA, so if the Terps get past that game then go ahead and hand them the trophy. I like Princeton a lot too, but every other team will be a 5+ goal walkover.

 

[Bridgegroom]

Ok, so aside from winning more, how can this selection travesty be avoided going forward? More games, smarter scheduling?

 

[IRISHDODGER]

Wasn’t sure where to post this but since it was started by a LAX team member I figured it was as good a thread as any. Too good not to post.

 

[stpeteirish]

Ok, so aside from winning more, how can this selection travesty be avoided going forward? More games, smarter scheduling?

Yeah and the 2023 schedule is now out and we did neither. 12 games again and almost identical to last year. Very tough, road games vs the top 3 in the preseason poll, Virginia, Maryland and Georgetown.

Part of the problem is the ACC is stuck at 5 teams and you need six for the auto bid. You would think after last year they'd wake up and add a team. You can join a conference for one sport without joining for all as we well know.

We scheduled Detroit Mercy for Jan 22 but it was apparently one of those "scrimmages" that don't count. Its an easy win why don't we schedule them for a game that does count?

 

[IrishLax]

One issue with schedule is that teams do not want to travel to South Bend early in the year. The other teams all have larger conference slates. I think we make a mistake not keep Denver on the schedule and/or plying teams like Utah.

 

[irishandy]

One issue with schedule is that teams do not want to travel to South Bend early in the year. The other teams all have larger conference slates. I think we make a mistake not keep Denver on the schedule and/or plying teams like Utah.

IrishLax- how do you think the Lacrosse team will do this year?

 

[IrishLax]

IrishLax- how do you think the Lacrosse team will do this year?

I think they’re one of the top 5 teams in the country but it remains to be seen how their season/record actually plays out. Very tough schedule and they are banged up heading into the season.

 

[irishrb]

I think they’re one of the top 5 teams in the country but it remains to be seen how their season/record actually plays out. Very tough schedule and they are banged up heading into the season.

So unfortunate that Taylor tore his ACL in box lacrosse..If they can get/stay healthy, and Corrigan doesn't handcuff them, this team can absolutely win it all this year!

 

[Bridgegroom]

I think they’re one of the top 5 teams in the country but it remains to be seen how their season/record actually plays out. Very tough schedule and they are banged up heading into the season.

My concern is both UNC and UVA are down this year and those 4 games (even if they're wins) and the Program's failure to schedule another one or two games against top 20 opponents will result in a bad seed or a failure to make the tournament. For the boys' sake, I'm hoping this doesn't happen again.

 

[IrishLax]

My concern is both UNC and UVA are down this year and those 4 games (even if they're wins) and the Program's failure to schedule another one or two games against top 20 opponents will result in a bad seed or a failure to make the tournament. For the boys' sake, I'm hoping this doesn't happen again.

Where we're going to get fucked again is by not playing the Ivy League. If Syracuse and UNC suck it up early this year against the Ivy League we could be in a precarious situation again.

 

[stpeteirish]

My concern is both UNC and UVA are down this year and those 4 games (even if they're wins) and the Program's failure to schedule another one or two games against top 20 opponents will result in a bad seed or a failure to make the tournament. For the boys' sake, I'm hoping this doesn't happen again.

UVA is preseason #2 per Inside Lacrosse so either they’re way off or you have nothing to worry about in that regard

 

[Bridgegroom]

UVA is preseason #2 per Inside Lacrosse so either they’re way off or you have nothing to worry about in that regard

Its called concentration risk. Syracuse was #11 in the preseason poll last year and ended up unranked. Don't expect UVA to be in the top 6 this year. Preseason polls are often way off. If UNC is in the 15-20 range, UVA is below the top 5 and the Ivy League has another good year, it could come back to bite the Irish. An Ivy League game or two sure would have made the final seeding easier.

 

[clashmore_mike]

Anybody got a B1G+ login to share for ND/Maryland?

 

[clashmore_mike]

Helluva game to bury on B1G+

 

[clashmore_mike]

 

[notredomer23]