Notre Dame Lacrosse Open thread

[IrishLax]

Huge win to keep tourney hopes alive… such an impressive comeback…

 

[irishrb]

Huge win to keep tourney hopes alive… such an impressive comeback…

Absolutely! The difference Taylor has made with this offense is actually insane. Georgetown beats Nova and ND's a lock.

 

[stpeteirish]

great win these guys can really play when they put their minds to it.

 

[stpeteirish]

During the game ESPN put up playoff odds from some outfit I never heard of. I hope they are wrong. It had Duke with a higher % than ND of getting in with a loss to ND. I think the # for us was 66% and Duke's was in the 80's.

I actually think Duke deserves a bid as long as it isn't ours.

 

[IrishLax]

Things complicating ND's situation is mainly Jacksonville losing to Richmond and head-to-head with Ohio State. I put it at 0% chance that Duke gets in over ND at this point. Would require crazy mental shenanigans and bias.

 

[stpeteirish]

As long as Villanova doesn’t upset Georgetown it looks like there are two bids left for ND, Duke,Ohio St,Harvard and Jacksonville.
Obviously one if Villanova pulls the upset

 

[irishrb]

During the game ESPN put up playoff odds from some outfit I never heard of. I hope they are wrong. It had Duke with a higher % than ND of getting in with a loss to ND. I think the # for us was 66% and Duke's was in the 80's.

I actually think Duke deserves a bid as long as it isn't ours.

Ya, crazy, but Duke will still have a higher RPI, and I think will still get a bid. Georgetown has to beat Nova.

As long as Villanova doesn’t upset Georgetown it looks like there are two bids left for ND, Duke,Ohio St,Harvard and Jacksonville.
Obviously one if Villanova pulls the upset

Jacksonville's RPI is like 24th....no shot...Harvard will be right with ND but I don't see them putting that many Ivy teams in when the RPI is basically equal. I see 2 bids between ND, OSU, and Duke. OSU obviously owns the head to head with ND. It really could come down to ND/Duke. Do they take the higher RPI with Duke or the team that beat them twice. Gotta be the team that beat them twice!

 

[IrishLax]

As long as Villanova doesn’t upset Georgetown it looks like there are two bids left for ND, Duke,Ohio St,Harvard and Jacksonville.
Obviously one if Villanova pulls the upset

Yup, and if Jacksonville had beat Richmond you’re talking about it being almost a lock that Ohio State and ND would be the last two teams in. Now, it could get dicey.

 

[FDNYIrish1]

That’s a great win today against a very talented team.

 

[irishrb]

Latest RPI has Duke at 8, ND 11, OSU 14, Harvard 15, and Jacksonville at 24. If there are 2 spots between this group, it most likely comes down to Duke, ND, and OSU. If this is the case, ND has to be a lock. You either take the higher RPI, which is their norm, and Duke/ND are in, or you consider the head to head, and take the slightly lower RPI, putting ND/OSU in.

 

[stpeteirish]

Latest RPI has Duke at 8, ND 11, OSU 14, Harvard 15, and Jacksonville at 24. If there are 2 spots between this group, it most likely comes down to Duke, ND, and OSU. If this is the case, ND has to be a lock. You either take the higher RPI, which is their norm, and Duke/ND are in, or you consider the head to head, and take the slightly lower RPI, putting ND/OSU in.

Great news since RPI was the only thing holding us back. If they factor in head to head they can’t take both OSU and Duke over us
I hope they seed us 11 or 12. Play two ivy’s avoiding Maryland and Georgetown until the final four

 

[Bridgegroom]

Great comeback win over Duke. ND is in folks. Hope they get to play the Ivies in the first two rounds.. The defense (the rope unit especially) still needs to tighten up for them to make the Final Four. You can't count on a hot keeper, FOGO and offense to bail you out every game during a tournament run.

 

[irishandy]

Nice comeback win by the Irish and I didn't realize they were co-ACC champs.

The Lacrosse folks who follow would know more, but it seems to me that they have a very young team.

Good to see another Kavanagh on the team.

 

[stpeteirish]

So when does the NIT bracket come out?

 

[IrishTusker]

Bizarre, frankly.

 

[irishrb]

So when does the NIT bracket come out?

I am flabbergasted. There is absolutely no reason Harvard should be in over Notre Dame...None. What a joke.

 

[NumbersGuy0520]

What a joke, especially riding a 6 game win steak.

I hate the human element of these selection committees and sometimes wonder about implicit biases - I just cannot see a justification for leaving this team out.

 

[stpeteirish]

I am flabbergasted. There is absolutely no reason Harvard should be in over Notre Dame...None. What a joke.

all their damn talk about using RPI and they take the 15th ranked team in RPI instead of us at 11.

 

[FDNYIrish1]

4 ivies get at large bids. What a joke.

 

[Bridgegroom]

This is a travesty but part of the blame lies with the coaches who gave the Selection Committee strict instructions, only use the RPI, nothing else. If the RPI is going to be the sole criteria (unless you're Harvard of course), then ND should stop playing Cleveland State and Marquette and play two more traditional powers with higher RPIs. Syracuse and UNC won't rebound for another two years so counting on the ACC to get you there RPI wise may be a losing battle. I honestly believed this team was a legitimate Final Four candidate. What a shame for the boys.

 

[irishrb]

4 ivies get at large bids. What a joke.

Actually 5. Insanely dumb.

 

[IrishTusker]

This is a travesty but part of the blame lies with the coaches who gave the Selection Committee strict instructions, only use the RPI, nothing else. If the RPI is going to be the sole criteria (unless you're Harvard of course), then ND should stop playing Cleveland State and Marquette and play two more traditional powers with higher RPIs. Syracuse and UNC won't rebound for another two years so counting on the ACC to get you there RPI wise may be a losing battle. I honestly believed this team was a legitimate Final Four candidate. What a shame for the boys.

Fair enough, but wasn't our RPI higher than OSU and Harvard's? I agree though that we need to adjust the schedule to deal with this. And of course if we had beaten OSU we'd have been in.

 

[Bridgegroom]

Yes on the RPI. Gary Gait getting hired at Syracuse is the primary reason ND is not in. Did anyone watch the Orange this year? Hard to watch. Had the Cuse beaten a bad Albany team or a pedestrian JHU one, the Irish would be in the tournament. Playing them twice this year didn't do us any favors. Three things have to happen while Syracuse and UNC rebuild. 1) Play a better out of conference schedule. 2) Play more games (1 or 2 more midweek games later in the schedule when its warm) and 3) Utilize your players better: this staff didn't realize they had one of the best crease scorers in the country (#13) until too late in his career. Guarantee that if Jake was starting from day one they win one or two more games.

 

[IrishTusker]

I don't want to pick on Swarbrick but heads need to roll over this one- he needs to demand answers from the committee.

 

[Bridgegroom]

I am flabbergasted. There is absolutely no reason Harvard should be in over Notre Dame...None. What a joke.

Why didn't Carc or one of the other announcers press the Chairwoman. Ok if you're not using the "eye test" and soley strength of schedule, how did Harvard get into the tournament with their lower RPI? Was this just a "we felt sorry for the Ivies" year?

 

[IrishLax]

This is a travesty but part of the blame lies with the coaches who gave the Selection Committee strict instructions, only use the RPI, nothing else. If the RPI is going to be the sole criteria (unless you're Harvard of course), then ND should stop playing Cleveland State and Marquette and play two more traditional powers with higher RPIs. Syracuse and UNC won't rebound for another two years so counting on the ACC to get you there RPI wise may be a losing battle. I honestly believed this team was a legitimate Final Four candidate. What a shame for the boys.

This isn’t really the issue though. There was no way for ND to schedule harder and their SOS was better than both Ohio State and Harvard. If anything, they needed *more* filler.

The Ivy League played virtually no one outside of conference but all won their games which inflated their RPIs. Princeton got a quality win over Georgetown, Penn got one over Duke. None of the other teams beat anyone worth a damn. They didn’t beat Maryland, Rutgers, ND, UVA, etc. They beat no actual contenders. What happened today was the equivalent of the SEC getting one team in a 16 team college football playoff while the PAC 12 gets six because of an archaic formula that makes no sense.

 

[IrishLax]

Yes on the RPI. Gary Gait getting hired at Syracuse is the primary reason ND is not in. Did anyone watch the Orange this year? Hard to watch. Had the Cuse beaten a bad Albany team or a pedestrian JHU one, the Irish would be in the tournament. Playing them twice this year didn't do us any favors. Three things have to happen while Syracuse and UNC rebuild. 1) Play a better out of conference schedule. 2) Play more games (1 or 2 more midweek games later in the schedule when its warm) and 3) Utilize your players better: this staff didn't realize they had one of the best crease scorers in the country (#13) until too late in his career. Guarantee that if Jake was starting from day one they win one or two more games.

This is correct. Having to play Syracuse twice with them having a historically bad season is what ultimately ranked ND *and* the fact that two top 10 wins over Duke were somehow discounted in favor of some mediocre in-conference wins by the 6th best team in the Ivy League who couldn’t even make their conference tournament.

 

[IrishLax]

Fair enough, but wasn't our RPI higher than OSU and Harvard's? I agree though that we need to adjust the schedule to deal with this. And of course if we had beaten OSU we'd have been in.

Yes, the part that makes no sense is that ND had the better RPI, better SOS, and comparable wins with no bad losses. They seemingly gave Ohio State the nod on head-to-head but considering all three of ND, Harvard, and Ohio State in a pool it’s impossible to objectively conclude that ND wasn’t the best team on metrics. Every analyst had them comfortably in using the selection criteria. Some even had ND seeded.

This is a monumental screw job that reeks of bias or some other malfeasance. For example, I just learned that every conference but the ACC had coaches/ADs giving “advisory” input to the committee… because the ACC isn’t technically an AQ conference.

Only silver lining will be that this hopefully results in overhaul of the tournament. But my goodness… I have never seen something like this in sports. A top 5 team and title contender being left out of a post season tournament in favor of teams that literally have no chance of competing.

 

[NumbersGuy0520]

Yes, the part that makes no sense is that ND had the better RPI, better SOS, and comparable wins with no bad losses. They seemingly gave Ohio State the nod on head-to-head but considering all three of ND, Harvard, and Ohio State in a pool it’s impossible to objectively conclude that ND wasn’t the best team on metrics. Every analyst had them comfortably in using the selection criteria. Some even had ND seeded.

This is a monumental screw job that reeks of bias or some other malfeasance. For example, I just learned that every conference but the ACC had coaches/ADs giving “advisory” input to the committee… because the ACC isn’t technically an AQ conference.

Only silver lining will be that this hopefully results in overhaul of the tournament. But my goodness… I have never seen something like this in sports. A top 5 team and title contender being left out of a post season tournament in favor of teams that literally have no chance of competing.

It’d be nice if it resulted in an overhaul, but let’s be honest… it probably won’t. Too often in sports there are few to no repercussions for poor decisions like these, whether it’s committee selection, officiating, etc.

Days will pass, next season will start, and memories will be short for many, with maybe the exception of our fans, and especially these poor players whose season was unfairly cut short in favor of a team with identical record, lower RPI, lower SOS, etc.

 

[zelezo vlk]

Claim a natty anyways?


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