No more argument?

[Rudy89]

After TCU just lost to BSU does that eliminate the argument that the Mountain West deserves an automatic bid? It was a close game but TCU just seemed overmatched tonight when the pressure was on. The Mountain West won all previous bowl games but they arguably lost the one that mattered. In you guy's minds does this eliminate that argument?

 

[KajuNM]

After TCU just lost to BSU does that eliminate the argument that the Mountain West deserves an automatic bid?

Kick ASS Boise State wins again. Boise State is my second favorite team, Notre Dame being the first. A lot of people outside of the Mountain West, don't really see how good the conference can be. I would like to see BSU play some bigger name Schools. If they maybe played 1-2 USC, SEC or Big 12 teams, and win those games they might get some respect.

We know they can compete with TCU, Oregon & Oklahoma ect.... All I can say is that they WIN period........

 

[IrishinSyria]

I think the only argument that was decided for sure tonight is that the BCS is a sham. The Mountain West was a better conference than the Big East and the WAC this year, but in years past when Fresno and Hawaii and Boise were all clicking the WAC was a better conference. If anything, tonight showed that the BCS should not take into account conferences when picking teams (get rid of the auto bid and get rid of ND's sweet spot, as much as I hate to say it) take teams 1-10 or 1-8 and line them up against each other.

Bottom line is 2 great teams with a combined record of 24-0 and wins against teams like Oregon and Clemson played a consolation game tonight.

 

[xindyteam]

Kick ASS Boise State wins again. Boise State is my second favorite team, Notre Dame being the first. A lot of people outside of the Mountain West, don't really see how good the conference can be. I would like to see BSU play some bigger name Schools. If they maybe played 1-2 USC, SEC or Big 12 teams, and win those games they might get some respect.

We know they can compete with TCU, Oregon & Oklahoma ect.... All I can say is that they WIN period........

I really dont see them playing the USC, SEC, or Big 12 teams and winning to get to a BCS game year after year. They played good this year and tonight bit really year after year..... Like ND should be doing. Yes ND isnt there at this point but i really think with Kelly we will be there.

 

[IrishinSyria]

I really dont see them playing the USC, SEC, or Big 12 teams and winning to get to a BCS game year after year. They played good this year and tonight bit really year after year..... Like ND should be doing. Yes ND isnt there at this point but i really think with Kelly we will be there.

Nobody will schedule Boise, not sure about TCU. Oregon stepped up to the plate this year and got smoked. For a big-time school its a no win situation, which is exactly why TCU and Boise were pitted against each other this year, the BCS couldn't possibly justify the current system if a team like Oklahoma (say, Texas) lost to a "mid-major" in prime time again.

That being said, tough to imagine them going undefeated in the SEC or PAC-10, but until BCS teams stop being rewarded for playing 1-AA schools the Boises and TCUs of the college world are not going to get a chance to show they can play with the big boys week in and week out.

 

[NeuteredDoomer]

I don't know the big implication, but I looked forward to the game and actually bougt a GUY a beer as we talked football and watched the game.

Met me some pretty ladies.

 

[irishtrain]

I think the only argument that was decided for sure tonight is that the BCS is a sham. The Mountain West was a better conference than the Big East and the WAC this year, but in years past when Fresno and Hawaii and Boise were all clicking the WAC was a better conference. If anything, tonight showed that the BCS should not take into account conferences when picking teams (get rid of the auto bid and get rid of ND's sweet spot, as much as I hate to say it) take teams 1-10 or 1-8 and line them up against each other.

Bottom line is 2 great teams with a combined record of 24-0 and wins against teams like Oregon and Clemson played a consolation game tonight.

Could not agree more this is right on the mark, these two teams were pitted against each other to save Ga Tech, Iowa from an @## beating. I wanted to see Boise St/TCU try on Fla for size, yeh Cinn was undefeated but who in the hell thought they could win without a headcoach. This year some of these match/ups looks like back room stuff to protect our 'phony baloney business-----boys'. Both TCU/Boise would drill Iowa or Ga Tech. This business of 5/4 star players is a bunch of crap, you can win without some guys interpretation of football ability based on high school acheivment and stats/measurements/speed. These intangibles are a good place to start but you cannot base your program on other peoples opinion of talent.

 

[irishtrain]

I'll take this recruiting game one step further and challenge anyone based on this fact--for every stud that works out I'll show you a stud that is a dud. Notre Dame's had them like all other schools. The issue is whoever you get in great or average need coached and motivated. Look at the NFL rosters and see guys from small schools or below average D1 schools on the roster and contributing. All those guys arent 5/4 star recruits. Sure its good to start with athletic gifted guys but it is not based on that alone. We put way to much stock in some guys high school reputation. I played a sport as a professional and when it comes down to winning or losing your star/reputation rating has nothing-- and I mean nothing-- to do with winning the game.

 

[BGIF]

After TCU just lost to BSU does that eliminate the argument that the Mountain West deserves an automatic bid? It was a close game but TCU just seemed overmatched tonight when the pressure was on. The Mountain West won all previous bowl games but they arguably lost the one that mattered. In you guy's minds does this eliminate that argument?

No it doesn't end the argument nor does it do anything to advance it.

TCU was overmatched? Really? It was tie game. BSU took the lead off a crap shoot fake punt. Well executed but hardly the stuff of a dominant team. TCU missed the tie when an open receiver dropped a ball in the end zone. I believe there was less then 10 yds of Total Offense difference between the two teams. TCU threw 3 picks.

 

[BGIF]

Kick ASS Boise State wins again. Boise State is my second favorite team, Notre Dame being the first. A lot of people outside of the Mountain West, don't really see how good the conference can be. I would like to see BSU play some bigger name Schools. If they maybe played 1-2 USC, SEC or Big 12 teams, and win those games they might get some respect.

We know they can compete with TCU, Oregon & Oklahoma ect.... All I can say is that they WIN period........

A lot of people don't see how good the conference can be because there were only 4 winning teams in the conference. They're a weak conference and compound it by playing a weak OOC schedule.

 

[BGIF]

... The Mountain West was a better conference than the Big East and the WAC this year, ...night.

Legends in their own minds.

Sagarin has the MWC ranked 8th just ahead of the WAC at #9. The independents ranked higher than the MWC. Yeah, ND, Navy, and Army.

USATODAY.com

You want to get the sham out of the BCS put Strength of Schedule as a significant factor like the RPI in the basketball. Punish the SEC for playing the Citadels but don't reward conferences like the MWC or WAC for playing softies either.

 

[Sam Crow]

No it doesn't end the argument nor does it do anything to advance it.

TCU was overmatched? Really? It was tie game. BSU took the lead off a crap shoot fake punt. Well executed but hardly the stuff of a dominant team. TCU missed the tie when an open receiver dropped a ball in the end zone. I believe there was less then 10 yds of Total Offense difference between the two teams. TCU threw 3 picks.

read my mind

 

[BGIF]

Could not agree more this is right on the mark, these two teams were pitted against each other to save Ga Tech, Iowa from an @## beating. ...

Who are you kidding?

The bowls are about making money for the local economy and they've been that way since the first bowl game. They were never about matching even team to rank the best in the nation. Never. Have you noticed how bowls in the South favor Southern Teams. Those out West PICK Western teams when they came also.

You really think the Fiesta cares about the BCS's image? There's an order to bowl selection. I'm not a fan of the BCS or the Bowl System but this conspiracy aspect is inane.

 

[FrankMA]

Who are you kidding?

The bowls are about making money for the local economy and they've been that way since the first bowl game. They were never about matching even team to rank the best in the nation. Never. Have you noticed how bowls in the South favor Southern Teams. Those out West PICK Western teams when they came also.

You really think the Fiesta cares about the BCS's image? There's an order to bowl selection. I'm not a fan of the BCS or the Bowl System but this conspiracy aspect is inane.

Totaly agree!
The bowls are about drawing the most people, and thus, making the bg bucks. I know here in MA that a lot of criticizing has been done by Boston College people because of the crap bowls they get invited too; however, BC has a small fan base and bowls don't want them. They play in half empty stadiums in the bowls. ND, on the other hand, always gets better invites because of their big fan base.

 

[KajuNM]

A lot of people don't see how good the conference can be because there were only 4 winning teams in the conference. They're a weak conference and compound it by playing a weak OOC schedule.

Boise State would beat ND if they played........When was the last time ND beat a ranked team????? All I can say is that when BSU plays ranked teams they WIN.......I'm sure ND will win with BK.......

 

[BGIF]

Notre Dame, Navy, and Army make a tougher conference.

 

[kmoose]

Nobody will schedule Boise...

Horsehockey!! Maybe the big names will not schedule them "home and home", but there are plenty of big name teams that will play them. You mean to tell me that Ohio State will schedule Texas, USC, and Miami, but is afraid to play Boise State? That a "back" ND team would play the likes of USC, Nebraska, and Michigan, but would be afraid to play Boise State? I did hear the announcers talking about the BSU AD, during the game, and mentioning that he told them that he will no longer be looking for a "home and home" type arrangement, for the big teams. He now says that BSU will be willing to travel, without demanding a home game in return. You will see them get bigger and better names on their schedules, in the future.

Sorry, I digressed. In answer to the original question: I don't think there was ever an argument FOR the MWC to be included in the BCS auto-bid system.

They beat an 8-4 Fresno State, an 8-4 Oregon State, an 8-4 Cal, and a 10-3 Houston. Houston is, by far, the best win on that slate, and Air Force was the benefit of a Case Keenum (6 INTs) that looked more like Pat Dillingham than Case Keenum. The problem with the "talking heads", when it comes to bowls, is that they simply look at the win-loss records, and not the actual matchups.

 

[Riddickulous]

BGIF hit the nail on the head.

The WAC is weak.

Boise plays on the Smurf Turf, a very unfair advantage.

 

[devolg]

If you cannot figure out the proper color of a football field you don't belong in anything.

 

[KajuNM]

Boise plays on the Smurf Turf, a very unfair advantage.

So what about teams like MSU where their uniforms are the same color as the turf...........

 

[dskoo65]

21 starters returning for Boise St. maybe they start the year high enough (top 3) to cause trouble next year.

 

[TerryTate]

Personally, I'd love to see the top teams from the WAC & MWC merge - Utah, BYU, TCU, Air Force, Boise, Hawaii, Fresno can field consistently "strong" teams. The WAC seems like a waste for Boise - every year they could go 13-0 and still not play for the NC

Geographically, they're pretty close with the exception of Hawaii. It would also help to create an automatic bid into the BCS. Not sure what the ramifications would be as a result, this is purely for my entertainment.

 

[KajuNM]

Personally, I'd love to see the top teams from the WAC & MWC merge - Utah, BYU, TCU, Air Force, Boise, Hawaii, Fresno can field consistently "strong" teams.

I agree........

 

[Riddickulous]

So what about teams like MSU where their uniforms are the same color as the turf...........

It's an entirely different situation.

Grass is green. It's a natural color.

When your turf is the exact same shade as your uniforms and they're not green (like every other turf known to mankind), but electric blue...yeah, it's unfair.

 

[DomeX2 eNVy]

Don't we play on Blue Grass? It sure doesn't give our players an advantage as they slip and slide all over the place. How sweet would it be if we went to Gold Turf (just kidding).

Living in WAC country, I'd love to see a merger of sorts and I think it will happen - but not until the PAC 10 makes their move first. Depending on how that goes, the others will re-align. My prediction is that the PAC 10 goes for Boise St and Utah - though San Jose St may be more attractive from an academic, and geo-population base (but their sport teams kinda suck); and I just don't see BYU fitting in. Then they ditch LA Tech to the Sun Belt, and make do with the rest. Under this scenario, I could see Conf USA going after TCU which would make that a legit conference with Houston, SMU, and East Carolina - and once again leave the new MWC/WAC decent but not that exciting - though getting UNLV/Nevada; New Mexico/NM St in the same conference would be fun.

 

[jason_h537]

Speaking of TCU. How hot were there cheerleaders? Wow, i would consider tranferring if Texas didnt suck so much.

 

[KajuNM]

It's an entirely different situation. Grass is green. It's a natural color.

If I remember correctly Powlus who threw 4 ints at MSU said he couldn't see the defender's because they blended in with the turf.........Sounds like the same thing to me but a different Color.......Maybe we'll see a team with Red turf, my retinas would be burning then..........

 

[irishtrain]

Totaly agree!
The bowls are about drawing the most people, and thus, making the bg bucks. I know here in MA that a lot of criticizing has been done by Boston College people because of the crap bowls they get invited too; however, BC has a small fan base and bowls don't want them. They play in half empty stadiums in the bowls. ND, on the other hand, always gets better invites because of their big fan base.

I still would like to disagree, of course they are about $$$$ but putting these two teams against each other keeps them right where they want them and under control of the BCS. I understand the picking order but why on earth would you not pick an undefeated them for your bowl if you have a chance. TCU/Boise was not a good match up, one could have gone to the Orange and one could have stayed in Pheonix so they could have undefeated teams represent each bowl. They do this to save face and to say 'see TCU or Boise would never be able to beat Texas/Ala'. If Notre Dame were undefeated and was sent to play undefeated Boise St instead of Ala/Texas everyone would be screaming. These two teams deserved better than to be pitted against each other. They're trying to justify their national champion.

 

[jason_h537]

I still would like to disagree, of course they are about $$$$ but putting these two teams against each other keeps them right where they want them and under control of the BCS. I understand the picking order but why on earth would you not pick an undefeated them for your bowl if you have a chance. TCU/Boise was not a good match up, one could have gone to the Orange and one could have stayed in Pheonix so they could have undefeated teams represent each bowl. They do this to save face and to say 'see TCU or Boise would never be able to beat Texas/Ala'. If Notre Dame were undefeated and was sent to play undefeated Boise St instead of Ala/Texas everyone would be screaming. These two teams deserved better than to be pitted against each other. They're trying to justify their national champion.

True, that was some BS putting them against each other. I understand the Rose Bowl passing on them because they like to keep the traditional Big 10/Pac 10 match up but why not let them play Florida, could have been fun and i bet the game would be betterthan Cinci. They do it to brush these teams to the side.



BTW am i the only one who thought the TCU cheereladers were HOOOTTTTT. im gonna have to YouTube them.

 

[OchoShayneO]

BTW am i the only one who thought the TCU cheereladers were HOOOTTTTT. im gonna have to YouTube them.

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