NIU Postgame

[stlnd01]

I wanted opinions on the integrity of the officials in the closing 30 seconds. Not responses about a missed call in the 2nd quarter. Again, ive seen those calls be the lead of the story in couple of the national articles and was trying to get your fan bases view. I know from your POV right now it's meaningless, but had ND pulled this game out I can guarantee you people would be bringing those 2 calls up into the post season depending on the Irish's ranking.

Outside of the officiating, if you wanna know anything about this NIU team for a reference to how you think the Irish did feel free to ask.

Whatever, dude. They were both good breaks for us but no one here gives a shit, and no one nationally would remember them in three months.

Congrats on the win. Yall were the better team yesterday. That RB you’ve got is a dog. But also we’ve seen this movie before and now fully expect NIU to finish about 7-5. Good luck!

 

[InKellyWeTrust]

Some of this is on Denbrock. Outside of the 2 scripted drives at beginning of each half (which were good and resulted in TDs), he was trying to fit a square peg into a round hole. It looked like offensively they were trying to get RL reps in spread offense. He just can't do that. He's a one read QB with poor pocket presence. If we are staying with RL, which we shouldn't but prolly will, may as well run him 15x a game and throw 10x on play action or zone reads.

 

[ThePiombino]

Some of this is on Denbrock. Outside of the 2 scripted drives at beginning of each half (which were good and resulted in TDs), he was trying to fit a square peg into a round hole. It looked like offensively they were trying to get RL reps in spread offense. He just can't do that. He's a one read QB with poor pocket presence. If we are staying with RL, which we shouldn't but prolly will, may as well run him 15x a game and throw 10x on play action or zone reads.

Ball St. all over again.

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[Irish Knuckles]

Who does better? I agree, he may be over his head but do you honestly expect a Saban-level coach to come in?

matt campbell. wins consistently at iowa state. did a great job at toledo. should've hired him this last time around.

peeps keep wanting some flashy hire like they're shopping for the latest pair of jordans or making a self promotional social media post. we should hire a good football coach, not just someone that we can make everyone else think is a good hire.

said he would leave iowa state for two jobs, Notre Dame and osu. turned down the nfl a few years ago because he loves college football.

his players love him and he recruits well for iowa state, but more importantly, does a good job with what he has.

only 44 years old and has gone 35-15 at toledo and 55-48 at iowa state. won the fiesta bowl a few years ago, develops players.

iowa state has finished in the top 25 ap poll 3 times in it's history, two of those are with matt campbell at the helm.

the man has earned his own way as a head coach.

 

[Jimmy3Putt]

Some of this is on Denbrock. Outside of the 2 scripted drives at beginning of each half (which were good and resulted in TDs), he was trying to fit a square peg into a round hole. It looked like offensively they were trying to get RL reps in spread offense. He just can't do that. He's a one read QB with poor pocket presence. If we are staying with RL, which we shouldn't but prolly will, may as well run him 15x a game and throw 10x on play action or zone reads.

It was a 100% "get the passing game healthy" gameplan. I understand this approach going in, but how they stuck with it is unforgivable.

 

[N_D_Fighting_Irish]

what about not starting the clock after the 3rd down review? Even the announcers addressed that as "luck". That was two really egregious calls in a 5 second span that really helped ND

The egregious calls were predictable. It was to even out things. If you watch professional sports enough, you will recognize the role of the Refs as gatekeepers. It is expected that an underdog will get some help from the Refs to offset the physical disparities. NIU Oline committed numerous holding penalties that were not called and their secondary and LBs were allowed to be physical. We had two questionable and crucial holding calls on us in the first half. We nearly overcame it if not for Leonard's play.

 

[MacIrish75]

matt campbell. wins consistently at iowa state. did a great job at toledo. should've hired him this last time around.

peeps keep wanting some flashy hire like they're shopping for the latest pair of jordans or making a self promotional social media post. we should hire a good football coach, not just someone that we can make everyone else think is a good hire.

said he would leave iowa state for two jobs, Notre Dame and osu. turned down the nfl a few years ago because he loves college football.

his players love him and he recruits well for iowa state, but more importantly, does a good job with what he has.

only 44 years old and has gone 35-15 at toledo and 55-48 at iowa state. won the fiesta bowl a few years ago, develops players.

iowa state has finished in the top 25 ap poll 3 times in it's history, two of those are with matt campbell at the helm.

the man has earned his own way as a head coach.

100% do not want.

 

[Sea Turtle]

I can’t believe that maybe Parker would have got us more points than Denbrock!

It's never been about the OC. Rees, Parker, Denbrock, it's all the same.

This is all MF. He wants to play Tressel ball in 2024. You can't do that anymore.

 

[IrishSteelhead]

I wanted opinions on the integrity of the officials in the closing 30 seconds. Not responses about a missed call in the 2nd quarter. Again, ive seen those calls be the lead of the story in couple of the national articles and was trying to get your fan bases view. I know from your POV right now it's meaningless, but had ND pulled this game out I can guarantee you people would be bringing those 2 calls up into the post season depending on the Irish's ranking.

Outside of the officiating, if you wanna know anything about this NIU team for a reference to how you think the Irish did feel free to ask.

Ok cool, Hook ‘Em

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[irishff1014]

In hindsight, in that situation you should be running the ball, running the clock, and trying to put all the pressure on NIU to score and need a 2-point conversion to tie.

But the reality is that this team was likely gameplanning to get an early lead and then take some shots to get Leonard warmed up and settled in for the long haul.

2nd-and-short is 100% the time you do that, ESPECIALLY because you have Leonard’s legs as a fall back. Chances are you’re gonna pick it up on 3rd if your 2nd down shot doesn’t work, and then you’ve still got 4th down if needed.

The problem honestly wasn’t the play call, even in that situation… the problem is a QB that has erratic accuracy in the best of times, and apparently has zero confidence throwing down the field.

Is ND cursed at QB?

I watched a freshman for Nebraska hitting dudes on the move 20 yards down the middle of the field last night. I know Colorado’s D is trash, but it is astounding that Notre Fucking Dame can’t find a QB with the confidence to try and hit a throwing window with receivers on the move.

If I see another 8-yard hitch in the middle of the field, I’m gonna drive to Mike Denbrock’s house and cut his grass so short that his yard is dead next spring when vegetation starts to grow again.

You answered you whole post in the first paragraph. NIU used time to hurt us, 2nd & 1 on around mid field with 2 running backs that are gamers and you throw the ball. WTF

Running the ball keep the clock running, if we score there make them have the hard job. But he didn’t. Freeman failed yet again.

 

[Dizzyphil]

Have to agree on all the posts regarding Leonard. The Oline gave him ample time to find a receiver or hit a lane and get some running yards. I hate to single out one player but his performance yesterday was dismal at best.

 

[Jimmy3Putt]

The board is running out of steam. Are we all entering the acceptance stage?

 

[Dizzyphil]

The board is running out of steam. Are we all entering the acceptance stage?

After yesterday's loss, the water supply is gone.The boiler can't make any steam anymore.....

 

[IrishLax]

It's never been about the OC. Rees, Parker, Denbrock, it's all the same.

This is all MF. He wants to play Tressel ball in 2024. You can't do that anymore.

What part of this was "Tressel Ball?" Tressel would've committed to the run and won the game easily.

 

[DillonHall]

What part of this was "Tressel Ball?" Tressel would've committed to the run and won the game easily.

It was like watching Iowa trying to make a 4th quarter comeback, except it was all game long. I don't know why they felt forced to just keep throwing the ball

 

[mrmcgrail]

We also couldn't run the ball very well they were stacking the box love is a beast but we weren't just getting 4 yards every rsnap. Leonard lost that game for this team

 

[yankeehater]

Now that I slept on it, this loss is worse than what I thought yesterday! Truly pathetic. There is rumor that the non-Ps will not be able to sustain a program under the current landscape and you lose to one of those programs. SMH!

 

[Sea Turtle]

What part of this was "Tressel Ball?" Tressel would've committed to the run and won the game easily.

Its the philosophy. Hes the head coach and is responsible for it.

Then you tell me.

Rees
Parker
Denbrock

Why does it not seem to matter who the oc is?

Pyne
Hartman
Leonard

Why do qbs forget how to play qb when they come to ND?

 

[DillonHall]

Why do qbs forget how to play qb when they come to ND?

Pyne was never talented
Hartman was never that good. If he was, he wouldn't have been in college for 6 years
Leonard was always considered an inconsistent passer. The mistake was hoping it could be improved in basically 2-3 months in the offseason when it was a weakness his entire life. The spring injury was probably a bigger problem than we wanted to accept

 

[Sea Turtle]

Pyne was never talented
Hartman was never that good. If he was, he wouldn't have been in college for 6 years
Leonard was always considered an inconsistent passer. The mistake was hoping it could be improved in basically 2-3 months in the offseason when it was a weakness his entire life. The spring injury was probably a bigger problem than we wanted to accept

So Marcus Freeman is making terrible decisions at QB.

Ok

 

[Lepresean]

what about not starting the clock after the 3rd down review? Even the announcers addressed that as "luck". That was two really egregious calls in a 5 second span that really helped ND

I believe you are referring to the review prior to Northern kicking the winning field goal. Northern had called a timeout prior to the running the 3rd & 2 play. Notre Dame called a timeout after the 3rd down play and prior to the review.

 

[DillonHall]

So Marcus Freeman is making terrible decisions at QB.

Ok

I said this in another thread, but the transfers seemed like good moves at the time. I can't fault him for going after Hartman and Leonard, but in hindsight, it obviously hasn't worked out.

So yeah you're right, the QB position has been his greatest weakness, but I'm surprised Hartman and Leonard didn't look better at ND.
I'm not gonna pretend I wasn't excited to get those guys. I don't think anyone "forgot" how to play QB under Freeman, it's just that the talent acquisition has been lacking

 

[IrishLax]

Its the philosophy. Hes the head coach and is responsible for it.

Then you tell me.

Rees
Parker
Denbrock

Why does it not seem to matter who the oc is?

Pyne
Hartman
Leonard

Why do qbs forget how to play qb when they come to ND?

Yeah I don't understand what you're saying at all. Define Tressel Ball, be specific.

Second, players don't "forget" how to play QB when they come to ND. Pyne has always been bad at football and is still bad at football. Leonard has always been a very inaccurate passer and is still that guy. Hartman is the one dude who was held back by scheme, and that's Parker not understanding how to run PA or design route concepts.

 

[CANONIZEFATHERSORIN]

The board is running out of steam. Are we all entering the acceptance stage?

Yes

 

[FWIrish4]

Yes

Something died inside of me last year attending the Ohio St game. Yesterday sucked being in attendance, but I’m numb to it now 🤷🏻‍♂️

 

[Hautian Domer]

Something died inside of me last year attending the Ohio St game. Yesterday sucked being in attendance, but I’m numb to it now 🤷🏻‍♂️

How loud were the boos? How disgruntled were the fans leaving the stadium?

I was supposed to go, but thankfully something at work came up that interrupted my morning.

 

[Sea Turtle]

Yeah I don't understand what you're saying at all. Define Tressel Ball, be specific.

Second, players don't "forget" how to play QB when they come to ND. Pyne has always been bad at football and is still bad at football. Leonard has always been a very inaccurate passer and is still that guy. Hartman is the one dude who was held back by scheme, and that's Parker not understanding how to run PA or design route concepts.

Tressel ball is the philosophy of not making any mistakes, being conservative and not pushing the ball downfield. Not doing anything outside the bounds of a tightly controlled offense.

There is nothing really specific about it because it's a philosophy not an offense.

 

[DillonHall]

Tressel ball is the philosophy of not making any mistakes, being conservative and not pushing the ball downfield. Not doing anything outside the bounds of a tightly controlled offense.

There is nothing really specific about it because it's a philosophy not an offense.

Pushing it downfield like that dumb ass interception? I wish they'd played Tressel ball yesterday

 

[IrishLax]

Tressel ball is the philosophy of not making any mistakes, being conservative and not pushing the ball downfield. Not doing anything outside the bounds of a tightly controlled offense.

There is nothing really specific about it because it's a philosophy not an offense.

Ok well they clearly didn't do that yesterday?

 

[CANONIZEFATHERSORIN]

Yeah I don't understand what you're saying at all. Define Tressel Ball, be specific.

Second, players don't "forget" how to play QB when they come to ND. Pyne has always been bad at football and is still bad at football. Leonard has always been a very inaccurate passer and is still that guy. Hartman is the one dude who was held back by scheme, and that's Parker not understanding how to run PA or design route concepts.

I think the NFL would’ve recognized it if Hartman was held back by the scheme

Something died inside of me last year attending the Ohio St game. Yesterday sucked being in attendance, but I’m numb to it now 🤷🏻‍♂️

The thing with this game is that now the odds we have to fire freeman and reset are like 60% or higher