[NFL] vBook: Colts vs Patriots (Deflategate)

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Deadspin did ND and Manti dirty with some of the inferences and suggestions made in that story, no doubt. But the underlying information was legitimately newsworthy. That story aside, deadspin has always been anti-ND football. I've found that unfortunate, because I'm an ND football fan. But I have interests outside ND and for pretty much anything non-ND I find deadspin to be terrific. I know that Gawker is the parent company of deadspin, but from an editorial perspective gawker and deadspin are different, as are gawker.com and Gawker Media the company. It's hard for me to believe you'll find a lot objectionable about the content at lifehacker or jalopnik or some of their other separate media properties.

Anyways, I've never been a big censorship guy and pretending the sites don't exist seems slightly childish to me, but I understand why you guys take that position.

They're all the same, and like I said you can copy+paste we're just not in the business of giving them clicks.

Tommy Craggs... who was the editor-in-chief of Gawker Media last week when they ran they ran the gay-shaming hit-piece on an employee of a media competitor... IS Deadpsin. He ran the after Leitch moved on and made it was it is. So the king of Deadspin is also the same guy who green lights homophobic, bigoted pieces designed at destroying people's families for no reason.

I was an avid reader of that site despite all the Michigan dropouts (literally) and Notre Dame haters, but I eventually saw the light that Gawker Media is pure evil. Sauron meets Hitler meets Voldemort level evil.

So in our little corner of the internet we're not going to give them clicks. You can post all of their content that your heart desires, just nothing that links through to their site. No censorship... just no $$$ for them.
 

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DeflateGate: Details of NFLPA, Tom Brady Federal Court Filing in Minnesota - Pats Pulpit

Most detailed summary of the lawsuit (submitted in Minnesota today) that I've been able to find. I'm very biased, but I think they have a good argument. It's kind of funny, the main ESPN legal guy thinks Brady has no shot, and the main SI legal guy thinks Brady will win. I think they have a pretty solid case between Goodell's lack of impartiality, Ted Wells being far from "independent," and the fact that this punishment wasn't made available to Brady prior to Deflategate.

Review of the Filings

NFLPA is filing for an injunction on the grounds that Brady missing a game would cause irreparable harm.

NFLPA alleges that the NFL did not provide full documentation of the Wells investigation to the NFLPA and Brady's lawyers, in violation of the Discovery process per the CBA. They also allege that the NFLPA was not allowed to question the NFL's witnesses, while a colleague of Ted Wells that signed the actual Wells Report cover page led the NFL's examination of witnesses.

NFLPA argues that penalizing a player for "general awareness" is unprecedented and that, per the Minnesota's court ruling on the Adrian Peterson case, players need to be made known of penalties and what they'd be subjected to in order for the penalty to hold. Since "general awareness" was not a violation made known to players, any penalty on these grounds violates the CBA.

The NFLPA uses BountyGate and BullyGate, and the fact that members of the team who were aware that violations were occurring were not penalized for "being aware."

NFLPA evokes BountyGate and former commissioner Paul Tagliabue by stating that no player has ever been suspended for their lack of cooperation in an investigation.

NFLPA highlights Exponent's own admittance that there was not enough data and that the information provided was mostly based on estimates (temperatures, timing, starting pressures, gauges), and that there was not enough information to even prove that deflation happened in the first place.

NFLPA notes that the fact that the league is just now implementing procedures to measure pressures as evidence that there was no prior basis for Brady's penalty, on the same grounds as the Peterson case.

NFLPA points out that Paul Weiss, the law firm of Ted Wells, held Attorney-Client privilege with the NFL, which is in total violation of their alleged independence.

NFLPA notes that Jeff Pash, NFL's legal counsel, reviewed and "commented on a draft of the Wells Report before it was issued."

NFLPA notes that Brady's call logs and contract with the Patriots equipment managers align with what was provided by the equipment managers- so he wasn't hiding any additional communication. Brady had also never messaged McNally.

NFLPA states that when Roger Goodell "praised [The Wells Report's] findings and work," he was unable to act as a neutral arbitrator because he supported the Report.

NFLPA notes that the rulings about football pressure comes from the Game Ops manual, which isn't provided to players and is for the benefit of the teams. In other words, Brady is being penalized for rules that aren't provided to the players, but are for the teams.

NFLPA says that no player has been suspended for equipment violations before, using Goodell's language, because the Player Policies have guidelines for fines for equipment violations. The NFLPA states, "108. Vincent apparently chose not to apply the Player Policies to Brady because a fine would not have quenched other NFL owners' thirst for a more draconian penalty."

NFLPA argues that the league way forced to show their investigations to the NFLPA in the Ray Rice case and in the BountyGate case, and that this standard became law of the shop. By withholding the investigation details under attorney-client privilege, the NFL was denying Brady the right to a fair trial.

NFLPA links their defense to the Peterson ruling, which was decided in Minnesota, with the hopes that will forgo any New York courts since the expertise is with Judge Doty in Minnesota.
 

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I was on the road today and listened to a lot of sports talk. It's almost a consensus that Brady won't win. Even if he does, the courts have no authority to overturn the suspension. They can simply rule that the process was or wasn't fair.
 

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I was on the road today and listened to a lot of sports talk. It's almost a consensus that Brady won't win. Even if he does, the courts have no authority to overturn the suspension. They can simply rule that the process was or wasn't fair.

I'm pretty positive that if a judge rules that the process wasn't fair or violated the CBA than the judge can overturn the suspension. How did all the other suspensions get overturned in federal court?

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nfl-s...that-his-suspension-was-upheld-202942130.html
 
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I missed the deadspin Manti situation.

I'm since familiar with deadspin, so I'm sure it was brutal.

But how did they do more wrong they do Manti more wrong than any other person that they single out?
 

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For anyone curious, this is John Dowd's take on the suspension. He's the author of the Dowd Report which is the investigation that led to the Pete Rose ban. Also, a Steelers fan and not a Patriots fan:

It Is What It Is » John Dowd on D&H: ‘I’ve not seen a basis for the punishment of Tom Brady’

Dowd read the Wells Report and said he had trouble nailing down what the report itself was saying.

“As they say in the ‘Seinfeld’ show, it’s all about nothing,” Dowd said. “I just could not figure out what it was about, and I read the Wells Report, and I read the subsequent studies that sort of shredded the science in the report, but I couldn’t find anywhere where Tom Brady directed anybody to do anything. So I’ve sort of been troubled watching this thing and how it’s been put together and so I’ve not seen a basis for the punishment of Tom Brady, and I didn’t think the Wells Report was very well done.”


He also said the way the league has thus far handled the issue of Brady destroying his cell phone was an “ambush,” and that the NFL “blindsided” him.

“[Brady] explained, as I understand it, that he couldn’t turn over his phone, but he would do everything else to cooperate and that was apparently acceptable to Wells,” Dowd said. “I mean, Wells noted in his report it was not helpful, but he didn’t charge him or recommend he be charged with failing to cooperate with the commissioner, which can be a big deal. You don’t cooperate with the commissioner in baseball, and you’re going to sit down, you’re not going to play ball, so it’s a very serious charge, which was not made. So Tom went up on appeal and continued to cooperate, continued to try to get the messages. They had already concluded that they had enough so I don’t understand.

“And apparently in some conversation, he described how his assistant handled his phone, and my own theory is that they had taken such a beating on the Wells Report, that it had been shredded by all kinds of experts, that they had to grab something to save face. And as you know, this commissioner has had great difficulty with his disciplinary decisions, and so that’s just my theory. I don’t know if that’s a fact or not, but I do know one thing. It was very unfair to cite that phone and its destruction as evidence of consciousness of guilt or obstruction of justice. He was never charged with that, and fair play and due process require that you receive notice of that and you have a chance to answer that, so that’s what struck me.”


Dowd noted that everything regarding the phone read as though the NFL was just looking to find a way to get to Brady.

“It appears that they were trying very hard to find something adverse to Tom, and because of the weak standard, the weak facts, the lousy science, etc.,” he said. “The other thing, if I were commissioner, or counsel to the commissioner, and given how controversial that Wells Report was, I would make sure the public got an answer and a response about all the science, but it doesn’t look like Goodell looked at that critically at all, and that’s troubling to me.

“The one thing we did in the Rose case was everything we did that was recorded was handed over to the Rose lawyers and to the public, including all of my notes and all my colleagues’ notes. There was nothing that wasn’t put out there, because a lot’s riding on it, particularly the confidence of the public and the fans who are so important to this game.”

Dowd took issue with the fact that the standard for this case is “more probable than not” when his report was based on the standard of “beyond a reasonable doubt” as well.

“The idea that you would injure someone’s career or affect it in some way, some adverse way based on more probable than not is nonsense,” he said. “I don’t know such a standard in the law or anywhere else so that was very troubling to me.”

He added that as he understands it, “Every team in the league was doing what the Patriots were doing.” Dowd offered that if the league is really this concerned about how footballs are taken care of, it should follow in baseball’s footsteps and have officials be the only ones touching the balls.
 

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I missed the deadspin Manti situation.

I'm since familiar with deadspin, so I'm sure it was brutal.

But how did they do more wrong they do Manti more wrong than any other person that they single out?

Like all Gawker Media reporting, in a rush to get the story out before someone else and spin it in the most salacious angle possible they both stated and strongly implied that Manti had concocted the entire thing with the assistance of Tuiasosopo and got a number of other facts wrong. This is what spun the entire narrative how it did from the start. ESPN was actually on the story before them but got beaten to the punch because Shelly Smith (I think?) was trying to fact check. Gawker doesn't give a shit about facts, and employees have admitted completely fabricating sources/stories (including ones about crimes as serious as rape) for clicks.

The biggest thing they screwed up is that they said Tuiasosopo and Te'o "definitely knew each other" and implied that they had a long history togehter, and stated that Te'o got him tickets to the USC game (he did not... he had tickets because of his family's ties to USC). They needed to have a pre-existing relationship or how could you elaborately plan a hoax like this with someone you'd literally never been in contact with before "Lennay?" When it was established that the only time they even met each other was a brief hello at the USC game (months after Lennay "died") their entire framing fell apart.

If you know anything about Gawker, it's that they choose to double down when they fuck up (see: everyone circling the wagons and defending their gay-shaming story to the death a couple weeks ago despite everyone from every side of the political spectrum criticizing them about it). So when their narrative started falling apart and it turned out they had no evidence whatsoever to support their version and there was MOUNTAINS to support the idea that he got Catfished they would not let it go. It got downright comical... some of their television appearances were cringe worthy.

Finally, as the story wrapped up they conceded that the other version was "possible" but that it "didn't matter" because "the point of the story wasn't who was behind the hoax, it was that Lennay Kekua didn't exist." And they equivocated to "we never said Manti was behind it, we just reported what our sources told us."

TLDR: They got their information from two sources, neither of whom had a good idea of what was going on they just knew via Tuiasosopo that Kekua didn't exist. So the initial story was chalk full of factual errors and innuendo, because their sources were wrong/guessing at a lot of stuff. Rather than admit fuckups, they doubled down and attacked anyone who dared to criticize their reporting. When people/other media outlets/journalism peer review kept hounding them on their screwups and bad journalism, they moved the goal posts and said the stuff they got wrong "didn't matter".

EDIT: Oh, also there was the classic "80% sure" line they used on whether Te'o was involved... which was code for "we don't know, our sources don't know, but fuck it let's take a guess"... ESPN had the story a full week before them and had come to a different conclusion (though there was internal debate) with more sources but didn't run it yet because they wanted to fact check more and get an on camera interview. Columbia Journalism Review and many other places later ran scathing takedowns of the Deadspin "journalism."

EDIT2: This fuckin' guy...
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Bad news, but the judge is somewhat liberal which should help.

Kessler: “It doesn’t matter to us where the case is” | ProFootballTalk

I'll still be shocked if they get an actual ruling by September 4th, but it would be nice to put this whole thing to bed one way or another finally.

On Thursday morning, Judge Richard H. Kyle transferred the lawsuit filed Wednesday by the NFLPA in the Tom Brady case to New York, where the NFL had initially filed a lawsuit against the NFLPA a day earlier. NFLPA outside counsel Jeffrey Kessler shrugged at the decision.

“It really doesn’t matter to us where the case is,” Kessler told PFT by phone. “What we finally have is a neutral forum. Before a neutral forum, we are very confident in our position.”

Asked about the appointment of the New York case to Judge Richard M. Berman, Kessler said, “We’re very happy to have him.”

Perhaps the NFLPA should be very happy to not have Judge Richard H. Kyle, to whom the Minnesota case was assigned. His order sending the case to New York was worded somewhat strongly against the union, questioning among other things the decision to file in Minnesota in the first place.

Kessler explained that the paperwork filed Wednesday in Minnesota will be re-filed in New York. He said the documents will have “some revisions,” but that “ostensibly we will be making the same arguments.”

Kessler also reiterated that the plan remains to request a ruling by September 4 or, alternatively, an order allowing Brady to play pending the resolution of the case.

Look for more content from the Kessler interview to be posted here throughout the day, and to be discussed during the upcoming three-hour daily look at the latest news and information in the football world, PFT Live on NBC Sports Radio.
 

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I would guess a settlement is not very likely. Funny that the judge is urging for it and telling everyone to tone down rhetoric.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">As crazy as it sounds, Brady and Goodell could still work out a settlement and end litigation. Judge is urging that: <a href="https://t.co/gtOOiqt0mb">https://t.co/gtOOiqt0mb</a></p>— Michael McCann (@McCannSportsLaw) <a href="https://twitter.com/McCannSportsLaw/status/626784045376995328">July 30, 2015</a></blockquote>
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I would guess a settlement is not very likely. Funny that the judge is urging for it and telling everyone to tone down rhetoric.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">As crazy as it sounds, Brady and Goodell could still work out a settlement and end litigation. Judge is urging that: <a href="https://t.co/gtOOiqt0mb">https://t.co/gtOOiqt0mb</a></p>— Michael McCann (@McCannSportsLaw) <a href="https://twitter.com/McCannSportsLaw/status/626784045376995328">July 30, 2015</a></blockquote>
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Wow, that judge be like...

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https://www.bostonglobe.com/sports/2015/07/28/shaughnessy/T32IKjU6IVYjEWml2YfrMI/story.html

In a 20-page decision that was released at 2:32 p.m. Tuesday, NFL commissioner Roger Goodell upheld Tom Brady’s four-game Deflategate suspension. In the day’s most shocking revelation, the commissioner revealed that Brady ordered his assistant to destroy his cellphone on the same day (March 6) Brady was interviewed by NFL investigator Ted Wells. Brady did not disclose this development for several months and it was not confirmed until the day of his suspension appeal hearing, June 23.

What do you say now, Patriot fans? Still think the NFL is out to get the Patriots? Still think Tom Brady is clean? Still think this is a witch hunt?



Of course you do. And that is why at a time when you should be embarrassed, you are probably emboldened.

Please. Give up. It’s time for local loyalists to parachute down from Planet Patriot and get in touch with reality. Stop twisting yourselves into knots to justify the petty crimes and coverups of the Patriots and their quarterback.

According to the NFL, the Patriots cheated. They tampered with footballs after the balls were approved by game officials. The NFL terms it an ongoing “scheme.’’ It’s not a huge transgression, but the tampering was done to gain a competitive advantage. It appears to have been systematic. Tom Brady knew about it, then he destroyed evidence


Sorry. Obstructing an investigation by destroying evidence doesn’t play in America. No matter what happens now, the hard-earned accomplishments of Brady and the Patriots are tarnished.

This just keeps getting worse for the Patriots. This is way worse than Spygate. It’s worse than losing the perfect season in Glendale, Ariz., in February of 2008.

It’s time to hear from Brady. Instead, late Tuesday afternoon we got a statement from Brady’s preposterous agent, Don Yee, who “eloquently” stated that “the science in the Wells Report was junk,’’ and also said, “neither Tom nor the Patriots did anything wrong.’’

Really? Then why did the Patriots suspend Jim McNally and John Jastremski? Why did Bob Kraft accept the loss of two draft picks (one a first-rounder) and the largest fine in the history of the NFL without a fight? Why didn’t the Patriots produce McNally for a final interview after Wells learned about damning texts? Why didn’t they bring McNally back last month when Goodell again offered to bring in the former equipment man for clarification?

The Patriots, like Brady, evidently arrived at the conclusion that it was better to cover up than to comply. It makes you wonder how bad this really was. What else are the Patriots hiding? What else might come out?

The NFL Players Association is fully prepared to take Brady’s case to federal court in a case that would test the punishing powers of the commissioner. Swell. The Patriots and Brady believe they can escape on a legal loophole, like a criminal who goes free because the cops made a procedural error.

It might work. Brady could get an injunction that would allow him to play football while the case is adjudicated. Maybe the NFLPA will prevail and Brady’s punishment would be erased. But it could backfire. Going to federal court could result in Brady serving his suspension at a more inopportune time (December?). It threatens to send the Patriots into their 2015 season under a cloud of uncertainty. We all know Bill Belichick hates uncertainty.

How far does Brady want to take this? Belichick has skated thus far. Does Brady want to go down any path that might get his coach (the man with the Spygate prior on his résumé) involved in this mess? Does getting a suspension lifted on a technicality restore the image of a guy who tosses his cellphone like a character in “Breaking Bad”?

Perhaps now we know why Kraft rolled over at the owners meeting in San Francisco in May. He knows that disclosure is not the Patriots’ friend in this matter. The Patriots have been stubborn and defensive since the news of this scandal broke. Rather than admit guilt and accept punishments, they have denied everything and insisted that the league “has got nothing.’’ Kraft went so far as to demand an apology when he arrived at the Super Bowl. This strategy — probably directed by angry son Jonathan Kraft — has blown up in the Patriots’ facemasks at every turn.

Tuesday’s disclosure that Brady destroyed his cellphone is yet another example of the latter point. If Brady had simply accepted his punishment and not appealed, chances are we would not know about this blatant obstruction of the NFL’s investigation. The Patriots media cartel could continue to promote the narrative of Patriots-as-victims.

A statement from the team late Tuesday afternoon perfectly demonstrated the intransigence that got everybody here in the first place. The Patriots said they are “extremely disappointed’’ in Goodell’s ruling, again noted the “folly” of the Wells Report science, and said it was incomprehensible that the league is trying to destroy the reputation of one of its greatest players and representatives.

Way to go, Patriots. Keep howling at the moon. We all know that Planet Patriot orbits in an alternate universe.

Time to give it up, people. Your quarterback destroyed his cellphone on the day he was called to explain Deflategate. What more do you need?
 

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Dan Wetzel from Yahoo Sports wrote a good article. Somewhere, sometime, someone (Belicheat?) must have really pissed off Goodell for this to turn into what it is.

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/how-to...ger-goodell-s-trap-is-baffling-161339870.html

I said this yesterday and someone (I thought maybe it was you) challenged me on it. I'm sure it sounds really conspiratorial, but there is a contingent in the NFL offices that is both ex-Jet and very anti-Belichick. The league has hardly proven that the Patriots did what they're accused of, but even if they had the proper punishment for such an infraction was a $25k fine (per the league's game day manual), and other teams that were actually caught tampering with game balls (the Chargers and the Vikings) didn't even receive that. From the beginning this was a trumped up charge and a railroading, and a proxy in a bigger battle within the League. And I felt that way back in January when I actually believed that the Patriots had done something wrong based on the erroneous information that was being leaked out of the league offices.
 

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I said this yesterday and someone (I thought maybe it was you) challenged me on it. I'm sure it sounds really conspiratorial, but there is a contingent in the NFL offices that is both ex-Jet and very anti-Belichick. The league has hardly proven that the Patriots did what they're accused of, but even if they had the proper punishment for such an infraction was a $25k fine (per the league's game day manual), and other teams that were actually caught tampering with game balls (the Chargers and the Vikings) didn't even receive that. From the beginning this was a trumped up charge and a railroading, and a proxy in a bigger battle within the League. And I felt that way back in January when I actually believed that the Patriots had done something wrong based on the erroneous information that was being leaked out of the league offices.

Damn it, the Vikings didn't do it. It was the Panthers. Leave my poor Vikings out of this.

Actually, Vikings didn’t warm footballs in November | ProFootballTalk
 

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I said this yesterday and someone (I thought maybe it was you) challenged me on it. I'm sure it sounds really conspiratorial, but there is a contingent in the NFL offices that is both ex-Jet and very anti-Belichick. The league has hardly proven that the Patriots did what they're accused of, but even if they had the proper punishment for such an infraction was a $25k fine (per the league's game day manual), and other teams that were actually caught tampering with game balls (the Chargers and the Vikings) didn't even receive that. From the beginning this was a trumped up charge and a railroading, and a proxy in a bigger battle within the League. And I felt that way back in January when I actually believed that the Patriots had done something wrong based on the erroneous information that was being leaked out of the league offices.

Don't think it was me RI, as today was the first I had heard a sports reporter mention it.
 

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The guy is a pretty huge troll, I'd take his opinion with a grain of salt.

There are also very much two sides to this story, both stories below are worth a read and neither come from the Boston media.

DeflateGate’s real issue: Due process - The Washington Post

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nfl-s...why-the-nfl-sold-out-tom-brady-140037384.html

On the latter point, the NFLPA will focus on the role of Paul, Weiss, Rifkin, Wharton & Garrison. Initially hired to conduct an “independent” investigation via partner Ted Wells, the firm eventually became an advocate for the NFL’s position, participating in the appeal hearing.

Specifically, the NFLPA claims that Paul, Weiss partner Lorin Reisner (pictured) sat at counsel table with the NFL, “conducted the vast majority of witness examinations (including Brady’s), and otherwise defended Brady’s discipline even though his personal work on the Wells Report was being reviewed, and even though his law partner Wells testified at the hearing.”

“We were frankly stunned when Paul, Weiss showed up as counsel for the NFL defending the discipline,” NFLPA outside counsel Jeffrey Kessler told PFT by phone on Thursday.

The NFLPA contends that the involvement of Reisner as counsel for the NFL, coupled with Commissioner Roger Goodell’s refusal to make the investigative files generated by Wells and Reisner (including notes of witness interviews) available to the NFL, make the procedure fundamentally unfair.

NFL outside counsel Gregg Levy, who served as the Commissioner’s legal adviser at the Brady appeal hearing, told PFT by phone that notes generated by NFL security officials before the hiring of Ted Wells were given to the NFLPA. Levy confirmed that notes of interviews conducted by Wells and his team were not made available to the NFLPA.

“The substance of the interviews was reflected in the Wells report,” Levy said.

The problem, as the NFLPA would explain it, is that the notes become necessary to ensuring the accuracy of the report. Information from the notes possibly were omitted from the report. Information not in the notes possibly were present in the report. Information in the notes possibly contradict statements in the report.

With Reisner having access to the notes as NFL counsel at the appeal hearing and the NFLPA not having access to the notes at all, the imbalance becomes one of the key arguments the NFLPA will be advancing in court.

I can very much understand people being skeptical of the Patriots, but I don't get why anyone would trust one word the NFL has to say on any discipline matter. This whole issue has been a PR war with the NFL being wisely one step ahead the whole time. Even when their lack of evidence became known, they shifted the story. First it was 11 deflated footballs, then it was the "deflator" text once the science didn't back them up, and now it's the cell phone which they conveniently leaked right before Goodell's appeal decision...something that the league has no legal right to see and something that Brady was never told he would be penalized for refusing to hand over.

I mean what sounds better if you're trying to prove someone is guilty? 11 deflated footballs or shaky science that proves nothing? An offseason "deflator" text or texts from in-season that actually reference 12.5 PSI being Tom's preference? Saying Brady destroyed his phone certainly sounds a lot more damaging that Brady's statement where he said he "replaced his broken phone." The NFL has dictated this story from the start, and it's been masterfully done unfortunately.

Also, on a related note, Mortensen will address his false report at 7:45 tomorrow morning on WEEI, a Boston radio station. Schefter commented on it today and pretty much said he thought Mort was fed false info to smear the Patriots. Pretty curious to hear what he has to say tomorrow.
 
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Here is something I will be listening to in the morning. As is pointed out in the piece, pretty much the only reason why this whole thing became a big deal with the public is because of initial leaks out of the League office - reports which were later proven to be erroneous. If the actual facts had come out at the beginning, everyone would agree this whole ordeal is insane. But it is almost impossible to kill the momentum of a public narrative once it gains traction, no matter whether it is proven false later on.

I tend to think of the NFL c-suite as being pretty incompetent, but I have to acknowledge that they have run a pretty impressive smear campaign.

Mortensen to address initial #DeflateGate report on WEEI | ProFootballTalk
 

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Sometimes the cover up is worse than the offense. Brady should have basically stated he liked his footballs at the lower end of the league spec. The PSI fell slightly under that and could have been due to weather, etc., and through no ill will on his part to gain an advantage. Maybe the NFL throws a small fine at the Pats, closes it out, and Brady's image stays the same.

But the fact that he looked like a liar in his presser, and the fact that he destroyed his cell phone, is poor optics, whether he is guilty of anything or not. He had his chance to clear the air early on... he blew it. Now, he and the NFL has this stupid cloud hanging over their heads.

Bottom line for me is this. The Pats have always pushed the limits on the rules. And crossed the line on an occasion or two. Nothing that comes from this incident will change my mind about the organization or Brady. While he is a first ballot HOF'er and the Pats are a great football dynasty, there will always be that little bug in my ear saying " Yeah... but."
 

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Sometimes the cover up is worse than the offense. Brady should have basically stated he liked his footballs at the lower end of the league spec. The PSI fell slightly under that and could have been due to weather, etc., and through no ill will on his part to gain an advantage. Maybe the NFL throws a small fine at the Pats, closes it out, and Brady's image stays the same.

But the fact that he looked like a liar in his presser, and the fact that he destroyed his cell phone, is poor optics, whether he is guilty of anything or not. He had his chance to clear the air early on... he blew it. Now, he and the NFL has this stupid cloud hanging over their heads.

Bottom line for me is this. The Pats have always pushed the limits on the rules. And crossed the line on an occasion or two. Nothing that comes from this incident will change my mind about the organization or Brady. While he is a first ballot HOF'er and the Pats are a great football dynasty, there will always be that little bug in my ear saying " Yeah... but."

Do you have that same little bug in your ear when thinking about Saban and Alabama?
 

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Do you have that same little bug in your ear when thinking about Saban and Alabama?

Sure. And every other team that comprises D1 football. Personally I don't think Brady or the Pats gained any advantage in all this, whether intentional or not. If you aren't living on the edge then you are falling behind. But when you cross it, intentional or not, you have to step up and take what you have coming. Like it or not. I posted before that Brady's image isn't harmed either way. There are those that will defend him through anything and there are those that will proclaim him guilty and continue to hate. Life goes on.
 

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Here is something I will be listening to in the morning. As is pointed out in the piece, pretty much the only reason why this whole thing became a big deal with the public is because of initial leaks out of the League office - reports which were later proven to be erroneous. If the actual facts had come out at the beginning, everyone would agree this whole ordeal is insane. But it is almost impossible to kill the momentum of a public narrative once it gains traction, no matter whether it is proven false later on.

I tend to think of the NFL c-suite as being pretty incompetent, but I have to acknowledge that they have run a pretty impressive smear campaign.

Mortensen to address initial #DeflateGate report on WEEI | ProFootballTalk

Dan Wetzel is confident the NFL leaked info on purpose to "get" the Pats and it all may have started with someone in the Pat's organization pissing off the league office as mentioned. Remember a couple of other teams had previously mentioned under-inflated balls long before the playoffs.

One thing we know for sure. Kraft won't have Goodell over on Xmas day this year.
 

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Dan Wetzel is confident the NFL leaked info on purpose to "get" the Pats and it all may have started with someone in the Pat's organization pissing off the league office as mentioned. Remember a couple of other teams had previously mentioned under-inflated balls long before the playoffs.

One thing we know for sure. Kraft won't have Goodell over on Xmas day this year.

Do you think the NFL likes this type of publicity? To me, it's unbelievable that something inconsequential like PSI is now going to end up in Federal court. I can't imagine how the NFL could have screwed this up any more, that's why I think they secretly like all the publicity.
 
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