NFL Fantasy Football Keeper 2016

[Ironman8]

Can you only keep a player you drafted? What if you picked someone up in the middle of the season via waivers or trade? What would the round penalty be?

I've always done either a 10th or 12th round pick for that. But you should be able to keep anyone on your roster at year end in my opinion.

 

[Rhode Irish]

Gattaca, can you renew the league before we vote? I want to check out my roster before voting.

I believe it is all set up. I edited my post to include a link to the voting page within the league, so if you follow that it should prompt you to renew your team if you haven't already.

 

[Ironman8]

Gattaca, can you renew the league before we vote? I want to check out my roster before voting.

Honestly though, this is kinda the problem. People are going to vote based on their rosters now, even though we played a full season. We should have ironed out these rules before last season. Oh well, but it does suck that people are going to vote based on their roster than than objectively.

I personally don't mind most of the differences between the rules, but I am just strongly against only 1 keeper. Then it's really not much of a keeper league - it's more of just a redraft. I think there has to be at least 2.

 

[Rhode Irish]

Can you only keep a player you drafted? What if you picked someone up in the middle of the season via waivers or trade? What would the round penalty be?

I set up a poll question on this. Players that are drafted should retain their keeper value based on their draft position, so if you trade for a player someone else drafted, or you claim a player off waivers that was drafted by another team and cut, you would keep that player in the round they were drafted. Undrafted players would either be kept in the last round or the 10th round (which is the subject of the vote I posted on yahoo).

 

[gkIrish]

Honestly though, this is kinda the problem. People are going to vote based on their rosters now, even though we played a full season. We should have ironed out these rules before last season. Oh well, but it does suck that people are going to vote based on their roster than than objectively.

I personally don't mind most of the differences between the rules, but I am just strongly against only 1 keeper. Then it's really not much of a keeper league - it's more of just a redraft. I think there has to be at least 2.

Fair enough. I said I am okay with 2 keepers but I am strongly against allowing 1st or 2nd round keepers.

 

[Ironman8]

Fair enough. I said I am okay with 2 keepers but I am strongly against allowing 1st or 2nd round keepers.

Why?

 

[gkIrish]

Why?

Because (a) you can't penalize a 1st round pick and (b) it's not fair for someone who got the first pick out of luck to be able to keep the best guy every year.

2nd round is problematic because the guy who picked first in the 2nd round gets an unfair advantage. This problem would persist in every round but is relatively less meaningful 3rd round or later.

I am in a serious keeper league where we don't allow keepers in rounds 1-4 and it has worked out well.

 

[wizards8507]

Fair enough. I said I am okay with 2 keepers but I am strongly against allowing 1st or 2nd round keepers.

Why not 2nd round? I agree with 1st, since there's no way to apply the one round penalty.

 

[gkIrish]

Why not 2nd round? I agree with 1st, since there's no way to apply the one round penalty.

Well what happens next year when you keep the 2nd rounder and he is now treated as a first rounder? That's why I would be in favor of no 1-4th round.

To me, a keeper league is about being able to keep rookies or other guys that exploded onto the scene. It's not about keeping the stars.

 

[Irish Insanity]

Gattaca, can you renew the league before we vote? I want to check out my roster before voting.

I emailed the commish thru last year's league last night. I got an email this morning saying it was renewed. That's assuming I was in the right league......

 

[irish o'phile]

My roster in the league has 0 players on it.

 

[gkIrish]

FYI on the league page I voted for keepers cost an additional round each year but I think once the keeper reaches 1st round they cannot be kept anymore because there is now way to penalize.

 

[Ironman8]

Because (a) you can't penalize a 1st round pick and (b) it's not fair for someone who got the first pick out of luck to be able to keep the best guy every year.

2nd round is problematic because the guy who picked first in the 2nd round gets an unfair advantage. This problem would persist in every round but is relatively less meaningful 3rd round or later.

I am in a serious keeper league where we don't allow keepers in rounds 1-4 and it has worked out well.

A first round pick is a penalty. I'm in a league where someone can keep everyone is the descending rounds like we do here and the first round is a serious penalty. Keeping a first round player is a penalty in that you don't have a pick in that round and you don't keep a young guy in a later round. If someone drafted Antonio Brown in the first and wants to keep him forever there, that's his choice, he just loses the additional value of keeping someone later that has a higher value than where he is kept.

To me that's the point of a keeper league - you reward people for ALL players they find or draft, not just some. If someone loves Brown and wants to keep him forever, more power to him, he just has to always give up a first for that and gets no additional value from the keeper system.

 

[wizards8507]

My roster in the league has 0 players on it.

https://football.fantasysports.yahoo.com/f1/378459/lastseason

 

[Ironman8]

FYI on the league page I voted for keepers cost an additional round each year but I think once the keeper reaches 1st round they cannot be kept anymore because there is now way to penalize.

But I think my point (and some others feel the same) is that a first round pick IS a big penalty. It's the highest you could possibly have. Personally I'd rather keep a David Johnson in the 10th vs. ODB in the first, but everyone should have that option. They are your players and as long as you are giving up the ultimate value to keep players you love they should be allowed to do that in a keeper league IMO.

I just think doing it the way of your other league is really just a keeper league in name, and only rewards people who take a chance on younger players drafted late or picked up. If we play that way, everyone will just chase those guys instead of a more rounded or even (I'd say realistic) spread of players and talent. Veterans have a ton of value too, and I just think that should be reflected.

 

[Rhode Irish]

Who is voting for 1 keeper? I thought this was a "keeper league"? I almost didn't put 1 keeper as an option. Wish I hadn't.

 

[Ironman8]

Who is voting for 1 keeper? I thought this was a "keeper league"? I almost didn't put 1 keeper as an option. Wish I hadn't.

Agreed. Has to be at least 2 IMO.

 

[Rhode Irish]

We need people to rock the vote for increasing number of keepers.

 

[wizards8507]

Who is voting for 1 keeper? I thought this was a "keeper league"? I almost didn't put 1 keeper as an option. Wish I hadn't.

Agreed. Has to be at least 2 IMO.

We're pretty evenly split between one and three so far. Might be reasonable to compromise and just say two.

 

[irish o'phile]

So, if my preferred keeper was drafted in round 9 last year, what pick do I surrender in this draft?

 

[Irish Insanity]

It'll be an hour or so before I can vote.

 

[irish o'phile]

I only have one player that is worth keeping.

 

[Irish Insanity]

So, if my preferred keeper was drafted in round 9 last year, what pick do I surrender in this draft?

Your 8th rounder.

 

[wizards8507]

So, if my preferred keeper was drafted in round 9 last year, what pick do I surrender in this draft?

8

 

[Rhode Irish]

But I think my point (and some others feel the same) is that a first round pick IS a big penalty. It's the highest you could possibly have. Personally I'd rather keep a David Johnson in the 10th vs. ODB in the first, but everyone should have that option. They are your players and as long as you are giving up the ultimate value to keep players you love they should be allowed to do that in a keeper league IMO.

I just think doing it the way of your other league is really just a keeper league in name, and only rewards people who take a chance on younger players drafted late or picked up. If we play that way, everyone will just chase those guys instead of a more rounded or even (I'd say realistic) spread of players and talent. Veterans have a ton of value too, and I just think that should be reflected.

I don't disagree with you about keeper rules distorting value a bit, but that is part of the overall strategy of the league. If people want to gear their drafts towards the future, that is helpful to people trying to win in the current year - that is more and more true the fewer keepers we allow.

I think the best argument for limiting keepers in the first two rounds is that it keeps the draft pool adequate so everyone has access to at least some good players every year. If you get a top pick but the best 25 players have been kept and you don't have great keepers, that you have the pick is meaningless and the year is basically shot for you.

 

[Rhode Irish]

8

No, 9 this year, 8 next year. My understanding is the penalty kicks in in year 2. In year 3 that player would be kept in rd 7, in year 4 he'd be kept in rd 6, etc.

 

[Rhode Irish]

I only have one player that is worth keeping.

That is unfortunate, but we all agreed to play in a keeper league. Nothing says that you have to keep more than 1 player, but it is tough to vote to change the whole nature of the league because you happen to not have a deep roster for keeper purposes this year.

 

[wizards8507]

No, 9 this year, 8 next year. My understanding is the penalty kicks in in year 2. In year 3 that player would be kept in rd 7, in year 4 he'd be kept in rd 6, etc.

Since when? I agree with the part about the penalty going up one round each year, but of course there should be a penalty this first time.

 

[irish o'phile]

If the keeper # is above 1, do we have to keep, or can we just redraft in lieu of keeping a player?

 

[Ironman8]

I don't disagree with you about keeper rules distorting value a bit, but that is part of the overall strategy of the league. If people want to gear their drafts towards the future, that is helpful to people trying to win in the current year - that is more and more true the fewer keepers we allow.

I think the best argument for limiting keepers in the first two rounds is that it keeps the draft pool adequate so every has access to at least some good players every year. If you get a top pick but the best 25 players have been kept and you don't have great keepers, that you have the pick is meaningless and the year is basically shot for you.

But if you are going to be truly out of it why wouldn't you trade one of your assets to a contending team for a pick in the draft? Or trade a useful piece for a better keeper option? And even if the best 24 players are kept, then you still have the first option at the best guy available. No one should be objectively rewarded for coming in last. If you are going to struggle that year and the first few weeks prove it, pick up a bunch of young players and hope they return you better value.

But to me by saying you can't keep players in 1st or 2nd to help last place teams, that's just silly. They are still getting the first option out of who is available, and most people will chose not to keep a player in the first over options that provide better ROI. But I still firmly believe everyone should have that option.

Hell, a last place team may have a great keeper option in the 2nd round, which would provide huge value to them as the last pick in the 2nd. If we don't allow first or seconds, then that hurts the worst teams.

(And I don't think you can allow second round keepers and not firsts because of the snake format. You'd have to either allow both - my vote - or neither).