Next year's coach!

[Kaneyoufeelit]

We weren't that bad in 09'. We lost all six games by a total of 28 points and never by more than 7. Weis had also recruited pretty well. Not like Kelly had to come into a decimated program.

Before today they had lost 4 games by 24 and had a chance to win all 4

 

[Kaneyoufeelit]

Do people not at all take into account the injuries on this defense? Is it unreasonable to adjust expectations as the season goes on?

Get your reason and logic the fuck out of here

 

[BeauBenken]

We weren't that bad in 09'. We lost all six games by a total of 28 points and never by more than 7. Weis had also recruited pretty well. Not like Kelly had to come into a decimated program.

Are you telling me you want Weis back?

 

[NoJusticeNoPeace]

Our defense wasn't decimated when UNC tore us apart. It wasn't until the Navy game that this defense had the significant injuries. Even then, there is something to be said about having veteran talent waiting to play behind these guys. Every team has injuries/suspensions. I'll admit right now it's ridiculous on defense, but there should be more defensive talent period.

 

[phillyirish]

I like Kelly alot but my support is starting to slip. Look at the way this game is going. USC isn't going to let up. Our worse loss ever was 59-0 back in '44. This game will probably end up with a worse spread and the most point giving up in program history. So ask yourself an honest question. When a coach suffers the worse defeat in program history, in his 5th year-- NOT his first/second or early tenure as coach, should the program direction not at least be evaluated?

 

[NoJusticeNoPeace]

If this was happening to another team would you all not be like, "Hell of a coach you've got there! Ol' purple face is really doing a hell of a job!" I mean we make fun of Hotdog Water Hoke and Muschamp but they aren't much worse.

 

[ulukinatme]

Nuke this thread now. Coaching isn't our main problem. Kelly has made a few boneheaded calls, but it's the injuries that did us in, and the fact 3 starters aren't eligible. Depth chart was absolutely decimated this season, I've never seen anything like it. I think a few position coaches should update their resumes, but outside of that the staff is doing the best they can.

 

[Kaneyoufeelit]

Our defense wasn't decimated when UNC tore us apart. It wasn't until the Navy game that this defense had the significant injuries. Even then, there is something to be said about having veteran talent waiting to play behind these guys. Every team has injuries/suspensions. I'll admit right now it's ridiculous on defense, but there should be more defensive talent period.

We all agree the D sucks. How is that a fireable offense for Kelly? And dude we have injuries that unlike other squads, plus the suspensions. This year has been miserable.

 

[Kaneyoufeelit]

Nuke this thread now.

Please, God.

 

[BeauBenken]

That was 7 years ago when we won 3 games. The freshmen on this team were in middle school. We have had more than enough time to rebuild from that. We lost to Northwestern, we snuck by Navy and North Carolina, are about to lose worse to USC than Weis ever did. We stuck with a rattled QB too long and our gameplan on both ends makes no sense.

2012 had a good defense that feasted on a weak schedule and was exposed in the title game. We snuck by a bunch of bad teams and were incredibly lucky to win the Pitt game, which a really good team would have won easily. Te'o, a Weis recruit, carried that defense. That team was just like this year's FSU team.

Don't act like what a team was doing less than a decade ago doesn't have an impact today. You didn't say a single damn thing about our suspensions and injuries and how those are all Kelly's fault. You still didn't respond to your logic of "bad job protecting the ball = bad coaching, but good job protecting the ball =/= good coaching".

Yea, we had a good defense, a 'meh' offense, but we won 12 fucking games. Stop saying that's all just luck, but losing by less than a TD in closing moments 3 times this year has nothing to do with luck.

Good lord, we are absolutely obliterated on defense and have had our confidence shook like hell on offense because of turnovers, but let's have unrealistic expectations irregardless.

I'm not happy with the performance today, but I've been supportive throughout the rest of the year because we fought hard in games despite things working against us. Today has been pathetic, but we are running out of god damn towel boys to put in on the defensive line at this point.

 

[Irish Insanity]

Hire an OC. That will help a lot. But I'm not sold on BK anymore.

 

[NDRock]

Are you telling me you want Weis back?

No, someone talked about how bad we were before Kelly got here, just pointing out it wasn't that bad. When Weis left the narrative was how much better the programs was and it was set up for the next Coach.

 

[NoJusticeNoPeace]

You still didn't respond to your logic of "bad job protecting the ball = bad coaching, but good job protecting the ball =/= good coaching".

Point out where I said this.

 

[BeauBenken]

Point out where I said this.

Well when you call 2012 "lucky" and this year just bad coaching and the difference between this year and that are the fact that we took care of the ball and actually had 11 defenders to put on the field, it can be assumed.

 

[NDRock]

Before today they had lost 4 games by 24 and had a chance to win all 4

That's my point, like this year, the 09' team was not far off from being good. This was not a bad program when Kelly arrived. Would not surprise me if we had a very good team next year (yes the dreaded next year).

 

[PLACforever]

Wow, I drunkenly made this thread as a joke and it may have more posts than any other thread I've started. I love you guys.

 

[CraigKrenzel]

37-0 against Michigan. Remember the good days.

 

[NoJusticeNoPeace]

Assume and you make an ass out of u and me. Those are two entirely different years. We still had our share of turnovers in 2012. Luck has a lot to do with sports. Luck is the difference in 2005 from being 12-0 to being 10-2. If you are taking a sample study and one is just way out there, most people would say it's an aberration. Out of Kelly's career and the last 8 years, 2012 is an aberration. It's an anomaly, and usually that has to do with luck.

 

[koonja]

When Kelly comes back next year, I really hope he apologizes to the fans for this season, takes some responsibility and says this was not good enough, and goes to work. Drop the smug attitude because ND is bigger than you. Be humbled and come out in 2015 and coach the best season of your life.

 

[NoJusticeNoPeace]

When Kelly comes back next year, I really hope he apologizes to the fans for this season, takes some responsibility and says this was not good enough, and goes to work. Drop the smug attitude because ND is bigger than you. Be humbled and come out in 2015 and coach the best season of your life.

Agreed.

 

[BeauBenken]

Assume and you make an ass out of u and me. Those are two entirely different years. We still had our share of turnovers in 2012. Luck has a lot to do with sports. Luck is the difference in 2005 from being 12-0 to being 10-2. If you are taking a sample study and one is just way out there, most people would say it's an aberration. Out of Kelly's career and the last 8 years, 2012 is an aberration. It's an anomaly, and usually that has to do with luck.

He has how many national championships? And won more than 10 games multiples at Cincinnati, a program that had only won 10 games once in their history before his arrival.

The man has one of the highest winning percentages in all of college football. He must be one lucky son of a bitch.

 

[NoJusticeNoPeace]

He has no D1 national championships, the one that matters. Might as well talk about Gerry Faust's high school coaching career then.

 

[BeauBenken]

He has no D1 national championships, the one that matters. Might as well talk about Gerry Faust's high school coaching career then.

HOW MANY ACTIVE COLLEGE COACHES HAVE ONE?

AND HOW MANY HAVE MULTIPLE?

Jesus, you are beyond bearable. Stop acting like this is an easy freaking thing to do!

 

[NDRock]

Out of Kelly's career and the last 8 years, 2012 is an aberration. It's an anomaly, and usually that has to do with luck.

He was 12-0 with Cincy also. That's two 12-0 seasons on the D-1 level. Can't say 2012 was an anomaly for him.

 

[NoJusticeNoPeace]

Most coaches don't have multiple D2 national championships because they don't coach on that level. I literally do not care about what he did coaching glorified high school football.

 

[NoJusticeNoPeace]

He was 12-0 with Cincy also. That's two 12-0 seasons on the D-1 level. Can't say 2012 was an anomaly for him.

That was a good season at a completely different place in a conference that was essentially a mid-major. It's better than what Marshall almost did this year, but going undefeated in the old Big East is different than doing it in a real conference.

 

[BeauBenken]

Most coaches don't have multiple D2 national championships because they don't coach on that level. I literally do not care about what he did coaching glorified high school football.

It's like all I here from you is "well he doesn't have multiple rings like Saban or Meyer so he sucks."

 

[woolybug25]

NJNP is horrid human bieng. As long as he posts here, I'm done.

Btw, this needed a new thread? The othe mouth breathing "fire BK" threads weren't enough? Posters here have become absurd. It's not even worth reading the garbage that fills threads here anymore.

 

[NDRock]

That was a good season at a completely different place in a conference that was essentially a mid-major. It's better than what Marshall almost did this year, but going undefeated in the old Big East is different than doing it in a real conference.

So in your eyes, Kelly's coaching resume is five years long. Didn't know that was the parameters of your argument. Can't argue with that.

 

[ickythump1225]

Sadly it will be Brian Kelly. This season has been an eye opener for me. This season is worse than 2007 for me because back then I really thought we were one coach away from being a powerhouse again.

Brian Kelly has taught me to lower my expectations. 2012 was a severe outlier and I think our normal ceiling is 7-9 wins. Sadly it is a sign of our program's permanent decline that this is the best we can do. We won't get rid of BK because there are no better options for us. The truly elite coaches will never come here so we'd just be rolling the dice on another BK type coach.