Next ND Offensive Coordinator - the search

[ColinKSU]

lol.

Someone on IB posted a text thread with his ND ticket sales rep who told him that Ludwig didn't want to be at Notre Dame.

*Spin cycle activated*

 

[irishog77]

Starting the search over now, what about Brian Lindgren and Jim Michalczik from Oregon State. It seems like they put together pretty good units and that's at Oregon State.

Lindgren is due to make $800k in 2023 while Michalczik is at $600k. And because this is apparently something we have to worry about now, apparently their buyouts are only $50,000 each.

Oregon State increases assistant football coaching salary pool to $4.335 million for 2022 season

Offensive coordinator Brian Lindgren has the team's top assistant coach's salary at $775,000 for the 2022 season

www.oregonlive.com

MF is currently sitting in his office googling "coaches with cheapest buyouts."

 

[Dale]

Im saying that that number is intended to be prohibitive but should only be so for lesser programs. Apparently it is for ND.

Its not unreasonable if thats the guy you want. The price goes up from here. This is the new landscape.

This is just hyperbolic though. That number is almost 3x the current landscape.

You don’t have to attempt to justify the number just because you don’t like how ND handled it. It’s perfectly fine to acknowledge the number is unreasonable. It is literally contractually written to be so. NDs handling of it was also unreasonable. Both are true.

 

[IrishLax]

Note Dame football is the second most valuable program in the nation. Second to only Texas. No one truly knows what ND makes off the NBC deal because ND is private and has never disclosed it. Any references to it have only been guesses.ND generates massive amounts more revenue than Purdue. They aren’t anywhere in the same league.

They make less TV revenue than Purdue and that’s a fact. NBC discloses what they pay ND because they are a publicly traded company.

 

[IrishLax]

Starting the search over now, what about Brian Lindgren and Jim Michalczik from Oregon State. It seems like they put together pretty good units and that's at Oregon State.

Lindgren is due to make $800k in 2023 while Michalczik is at $600k. And because this is apparently something we have to worry about now, apparently their buyouts are only $50,000 each.

Oregon State increases assistant football coaching salary pool to $4.335 million for 2022 season

Offensive coordinator Brian Lindgren has the team's top assistant coach's salary at $775,000 for the 2022 season

www.oregonlive.com

$50k!? Way too steep for ND. That’s like half a student’s tuition for the year.

 

[irishog77]

Everyone is acting as if the offer extended to Ludwig wasn't controlled by ND.

Example A: ND offers Ludwig the job regardless of buyout, but then backs out after failing to negotiate said buyout down.
Example B: ND speaks with Ludwig about the job, and extends an offer which is dependent on the buyout being negotiated down. ND is unable to reduce the buyout, and therefore the offer is not actionable.

The spin on this whole situation is incredible...

Without context, and only a shred of information from the media folks, it is absolutely impossible to suggest ND screwed the pooch on this one. I would be willing to bet this situation was more along the lines of Example B all along, but that doesn't generate clicks.

I tend to agree here.

This could be the price MF pays for "sealing the leaks." Nobody knows anything, so they run with whatever.
Could also be some comeuppance by the media toward MF. "Dude, if you're not gonna give us access, we're going to run with these stories. Even when they make you or ND look bad. Or you could give us more access, and we can write softer stories."

 

[sfk324]

The fact that the Alumni isn't demanding JS to be fired tells you how uninvolved they are. This shit wouldn't be tolerated at OSU and many other programs. ND isn't committed. That is the hard truth to accept.

The people whose voice matters have been schmoozing with the guy for 15 years, and some of them for even longer given his status as an alum. It's unlikely they want to embarrass him in public, regardless of their thoughts on the matter.

Edit to add: and if the embarrassment of knowing he was legal counsel to USA Gymnastics when they were busy finding new and creative ways to sweep abuse under the rug wasn't enough to push him out for those people, then this type of situation wouldn't seem to be a deal breaker, either.

 

[Giddyup]

Starting the search over now, what about Brian Lindgren and Jim Michalczik from Oregon State. It seems like they put together pretty good units and that's at Oregon State.

Lindgren is due to make $800k in 2023 while Michalczik is at $600k. And because this is apparently something we have to worry about now, apparently their buyouts are only $50,000 each.

Oregon State increases assistant football coaching salary pool to $4.335 million for 2022 season

Offensive coordinator Brian Lindgren has the team's top assistant coach's salary at $775,000 for the 2022 season

www.oregonlive.com

Pretty good recommendation. Oregon State scored as much as Kansas State last year and ran for about 200 yds per game.

 

[SouthSideChiDomer]

lol.

Someone on IB posted a text thread with his ND ticket sales rep who told him that Ludwig didn't want to be at Notre Dame.

*Spin cycle activated*

That's how the admin views it. People should be willing to sacrifice to come to ND. If they aren't willing to sacrifice and take less, then they don't actually want to be at ND.

 

[rtrn2glory]

Literally we're scraping the bottom of the barrel at this point. what an absolute train wreck of a situation.

 

[dublinirish]

lol.

Someone on IB posted a text thread with his ND ticket sales rep who told him that Ludwig didn't want to be at Notre Dame.

*Spin cycle activated*

man was forced to watch hockey with Gerard Parker against his will

 

[Huntr]

Not now, its not hyperbole. SEC schools got $75 million from their media rights this year.B1G members will soon start getting $100 million annually, each.

We hear all the time from ND that there is a cost of independence. We know that that cost is they get less in media rights money, their path to a championship is harder, but its a cost they're willing to bear to keep their independence and still compete at the highest level.

That's not true.

 

[ColinKSU]

Not now, its not hyperbole. SEC schools got $75 million from their media rights this year.B1G members will soon start getting $100 million annually, each.

We hear all the time from ND that there is a cost of independence. We know that that cost is they get less in media rights money, their path to a championship is harder, but its a cost they're willing to bear to keep their independence and still compete at the highest level.

That's not true.

Lies and a holier than thou attitude was pretty much my personal experience growing up in the Church, so this tracks.

 

[NDohio]

Where does ND go from here:

Moorehead - Signed an extension
Klein - Turned it down
Johnson - Gonna be named Eagles OC any day
Ludwig - Too expensive
Lewis - Bad fit
McCullough - Not enough experience?
Parker - Failed at WVU?

I like the Oregon State suggestion - who else?

 

[sixstar]

so many hot takes and knee jerk reactions in here. y'all need to calm down. it's just a game.

 

[IrishSpartan]

Alex Atkins?
Kansas OC?

 

[sfk324]

Where does ND go from here:

Moorehead - Signed an extension
Klein - Turned it down
Johnson - Gonna be named Eagles OC any day
Ludwig - Too expensive
Lewis - Bad fit
McCullough - Not enough experience?
Parker - Failed at WVU?

I like the Oregon State suggestion - who else?

Leftwich and Chryst both fit the apparently most important factor of "no buy-out" since they are both unemployed. Other than that, you're probably looking at trying to identify the next big thing.

 

[Irishjig78]

Bring in Wake Forrest OC Warren Ruggiero? He obviously worked well with Hartman.

 

[WildMan1]

A future where ND football willingly fades into obscurity & becomes a non factor in the playoffs is a nightmare for me & I’m sure plenty of you.

I’ve been emotionally invested in this program from the age of 5.. it’s not healthy but it is what it is.. My pops put me in front of the TV every Saturday from that age & it continues that way 37 years later..

In my college years I suffered through the Davie, Willingham, Weis years with a few highlights but mostly disappointing weekends.. It was brutal. But I’m also a Yankee fan & we were absolutely dominating at the time so it helped.

ND happiness came in the form of maybe beating one of our rivals that year but in no way was there ever a consideration for a NC besides the “Bush Push”

Kelly really did bring us back.. And Freeman has a phenomenal ability to recruit.. we have the roster, the QB & the money..

All the bot has to do is take one shot for it.. For once, forget about the Weis deal & give the program the little push it needs & we’ll have the chance to be a perennial playoff contender.

But they seem content with blowing this up & sending us straight back to mediocrity & that scares the shit out of me..

No way MF stays here without more support. The recruiting will fall off the charts..

No way we get another marquee HC with this kind of behavior..

People will not pay these ridiculous ticket prices to watch 6-6 year after year.. The program will die..

And before you say “Why didn’t that happen in the early 2000s?”

The landscape was completely different.. with NIL the golden helmet has even less allure.. competitors will pay, we will get the scraps.. Coaches know this & with our BOT openly scoffing at doing what’s necessary for the program to stay relevant, who will come here to lead?

MC is a rare personality in coaching.. He’s special and the recruits/players see it.. You support that with the best talent you can find, no questions asked.

That tv deal & ticket sales revenue will disappear real quick & the reality of watching mediocre ND football for another decade will cause me to seriously re consider how I spend my Saturdays..

I have 5 kids.. 4 boys aged 9 and younger and they are all die hard already lol.. I simply cannot set them up for a lifetime of depressing Septembers - Novembers 😂

 

[anarin]

Time to dig deep and get Matt Nagy on the phone

 

[IrishLax]

Where does ND go from here:

Moorehead - Signed an extension
Klein - Turned it down
Johnson - Gonna be named Eagles OC any day
Ludwig - Too expensive
Lewis - Bad fit
McCullough - Not enough experience?
Parker - Failed at WVU?

I like the Oregon State suggestion - who else?

Driskell

 

[calvegas04]

so many hot takes and knee jerk reactions in here. y'all need to calm down. it's just a game.

STFU!

 

[Irishdrunk]

so many hot takes and knee jerk reactions in here. y'all need to calm down. it's just a game.

Its all a matter of perspective:

If you think ND is truly a Top 10 type program its upsetting. If you think ND is a Top 25 program its really not that bad.

 

[IrishLax]

Bring in Wake Forrest OC Warren Ruggiero? He obviously worked well with Hartman.

That would be an amazing move in a vacuum... but the issue is that Hartman left WF specifically to get away from Ruggiero's slow mesh, right?

 

[Katzenboyer]

Alex Atkins?
Kansas OC?

Atkins won't leave FSU, but I'd bring in Kotelnicki for an interview.

 

[irishff1014]

Maybe, maybe not.

The point is ND does NOT have the guaranteed money that ~90% of shit big ten teams do have in that regard. I think Lax's point (and definitely mine), is that those TV contracts are game-changers.

I am waiting to see the real details that come out because they will before I am to judge-mental on this deal.

But you are making this argument easy. Who’s fault is it that we don’t have the guaranteed money? Ours Jack and the admin chose to stay independent. The NCAA didn’t mandate we stay independent. We could have some more easy games and a conference championship but they elected to stay solo.

 

[FDNYIrish1]

Driskell

Been biding his time since the Wittenberg days. Waiting for his opportunity to shine.

 

[Jiggafini19Deux]

Where does ND go from here:

Moorehead - Signed an extension
Klein - Turned it down
Johnson - Gonna be named Eagles OC any day
Ludwig - Too expensive
Lewis - Bad fit
McCullough - Not enough experience?
Parker - Failed at WVU?

I like the Oregon State suggestion - who else?

Why is Lewis a bad fit?

At some point as time goes on, the amount of OC out there that run an offense like Rees and Ludwig is going to dwindle to even less of what it currently is. Wisconsin hired Luke Fickell and he hired Longo to be his OC, which is a clear indication that the days of Badger Ground and Pound are headed into a new direction.

There may have to be a meeting in the middle that compromises on what the new OC wants to do long term and the personnel that is available to him currently. That's basic coaching. Not exactly making chicken salad from chicken shit with this roster either.

 

[FDNYIrish1]

A future where ND football willingly fades into obscurity & becomes a non factor in the playoffs is a nightmare for me & I’m sure plenty of you.

I’ve been emotionally invested in this program from the age of 5.. it’s not healthy but it is what it is.. My pops put me in front of the TV every Saturday from that age & it continues that way 37 years later..

In my college years I suffered through the Davie, Willingham, Weis years with a few highlights but mostly disappointing weekends.. It was brutal. But I’m also a Yankee fan & we were absolutely dominating at the time so it helped.

ND happiness came in the form of maybe beating one of our rivals that year but in no way was there ever a consideration for a NC besides the “Bush Push”

Kelly really did bring us back.. And Freeman has a phenomenal ability to recruit.. we have the roster, the QB & the money..

All the bot has to do is take one shot for it.. For once, forget about the Weis deal & give the program the little push it needs & we’ll have the chance to be a perennial playoff contender.

But they seem content with blowing this up & sending us straight back to mediocrity & that scares the shit out of me..

No way MF stays here without more support. The recruiting will fall off the charts..

No way we get another marquee HC with this kind of behavior..

People will not pay these ridiculous ticket prices to watch 6-6 year after year.. The program will die..

And before you say “Why didn’t that happen in the early 2000s?”

The landscape was completely different.. with NIL the golden helmet has even less allure.. competitors will pay, we will get the scraps.. Coaches know this & with our BOT openly scoffing at doing what’s necessary for the program to stay relevant, who will come here to lead?

MC is a rare personality in coaching.. He’s special and the recruits/players see it.. You support that with the best talent you can find, no questions asked.

That tv deal & ticket sales revenue will disappear real quick & the reality of watching mediocre ND football for another decade will cause me to seriously re consider how I spend my Saturdays..

I have 5 kids.. 4 boys aged 9 and younger and they are all die hard already lol.. I simply cannot set them up for a lifetime of depressing Septembers - Novembers 😂

Thanks fucker. Now I need to start drinking because of this post.

 

[Irishdawg]

It will be an interesting press conference when they make the hire. “we couldn’t be happier that we finally got our guy” 😳