New Apparel and Shoe Deal

[MacIrish75]

I’ve learned to always expect the disappointing option with Notre Dame athletics.

These kids will be fine with UA if it means they’re gonna pump NIL. If that part holds true then I’m all for this.

 

[BoredIrish]

While I understand the sentiment to have an NIL component, the flip side of that argument is that the same money could just go to the university instead of NIL.. not sure the BOT wouldn't rather just keep the money for the school.

 

[GATTACA!]

While I understand the sentiment to have an NIL component, the flip side of that argument is that the same money could just go to the university instead of NIL.. not sure the BOT wouldn't rather just keep the money for the school.

The ROI on what a $5 million dollar recruiting class could buy you would greatly outweigh that in cash to the university.

Especially going forward with this 12 team playoff. A home playoff game would be worth way more than $5 million to ND.

 

[Guyjin37]

Our weakness with NIL isn't that we don't do fair payment relative to other schools, it's that we don't do money up front.

If this all is true with UA and NIL, it does nothing to alleviate that situation. Then, because of the other disadvantages of UA, it just becomes yet another of the many things that add up to us not being able to win a title. It's death by a thousand cuts and we do it to ourselves; we need to be doing everything possible to eliminate these disadvantages where we can because of all of our unavoidable ones like emphasis on academics.

Terrible move to go with UA right now, hope they steer away from that train wreck.

 

[tko]

As long as Jack's son is taken care of all is well.

 

[Lberry]

Our weakness with NIL isn't that we don't do fair payment relative to other schools, it's that we don't do money up front.

If this all is true with UA and NIL, it does nothing to alleviate that situation. Then, because of the other disadvantages of UA, it just becomes yet another of the many things that add up to us not being able to win a title. It's death by a thousand cuts and we do it to ourselves; we need to be doing everything possible to eliminate these disadvantages where we can because of all of our unavoidable ones like emphasis on academics.

Terrible move to go with UA right now, hope they steer away from that train wreck.

I'd argue it is a weakness of ours. I don't think 5 star DEs want to dish out oatmeal at the food local pantry to leave with the same paycheck as the women's swimmer. $5M a year would be over $50K per scholarship player, per year, spread evenly. And that's damn attractive IMO.

The problem for ND football would be, I assume they'd spread the 5M across all sports making it meaningless

 

[Guyjin37]

I'd argue it is a weakness of ours. I don't think 5 star DEs want to dish out oatmeal at the food local pantry to leave with the same paycheck as the women's swimmer. $5M a year would be over $50K per scholarship player, per year, spread evenly. And that's damn attractive IMO.

The problem for ND football would be, I assume they'd spread the 5M across all sports making it meaningless

There's some misinformation going around about NIL. Who knows, it might be me who's misinformed, but what I've read states that ND is pretty firmly in the top bracket of getting its players paid in the end. I don't think the overall money is the issue.

It's just that ND (and FUND) doesn't do 3 things:
1. Guarantee that you're going to make XXX,XXX dollars over X years if you sign (big contract deals).
2. Give you money for nothing (you have to do something like volunteer your time).
3. Give you money up front.

ND does:
1. Offer support for athletes to earn money through NIL. Sometimes those opportunities can be pre-arranged and include $$ figures, like with FUND.
2. Give realistic estimates of the amount of money a recruit can be expected to make, which is generally up there with the bigger schools.

It means that ND is doing it the "ND Way" and not paying players to come here. They're giving opportunities to get paid if you want to take advantage of them.

And therefore, even if ND signs some huge deal with UA, I don't think they're going to just give the players that money. Doesn't seem like an ND thing to do.

We haven't been losing 5-star recruits the past 2 cycles because we refuse to let players make money, it's because we aren't giving them these huge contracts or "the bag."

 

[Jiggafini19Deux]

I’ve learned to always expect the disappointing option with Notre Dame athletics.

Sounds exhausting.

 

[Lberry]

There's some misinformation going around about NIL. Who knows, it might be me who's misinformed, but what I've read states that ND is pretty firmly in the top bracket of getting its players paid in the end. I don't think the overall money is the issue.

It's just that ND (and FUND) doesn't do 3 things:
1. Guarantee that you're going to make XXX,XXX dollars over X years if you sign (big contract deals).
2. Give you money for nothing (you have to do something like volunteer your time).
3. Give you money up front.

ND does:
1. Offer support for athletes to earn money through NIL. Sometimes those opportunities can be pre-arranged and include $$ figures, like with FUND.
2. Give realistic estimates of the amount of money a recruit can be expected to make, which is generally up there with the bigger schools.

It means that ND is doing it the "ND Way" and not paying players to come here. They're giving opportunities to get paid if you want to take advantage of them.

And therefore, even if ND signs some huge deal with UA, I don't think they're going to just give the players that money. Doesn't seem like an ND thing to do.

We haven't been losing 5-star recruits the past 2 cycles because we refuse to let players make money, it's because we aren't giving them these huge contracts or "the bag."

I've seen no proof ND is anywhere near the top bracket of getting its players paid in the end but I also wouldn't know the details as well as someone else.

I do know in year 1 ND lost big to NIL and we don't need to name those playere again.

 

[IrishLion]

Sounds exhausting.

 

[Irish#1]

There's some misinformation going around about NIL. Who knows, it might be me who's misinformed, but what I've read states that ND is pretty firmly in the top bracket of getting its players paid in the end. I don't think the overall money is the issue.

It's just that ND (and FUND) doesn't do 3 things:
1. Guarantee that you're going to make XXX,XXX dollars over X years if you sign (big contract deals).
2. Give you money for nothing (you have to do something like volunteer your time).
3. Give you money up front.

ND does:
1. Offer support for athletes to earn money through NIL. Sometimes those opportunities can be pre-arranged and include $$ figures, like with FUND.
2. Give realistic estimates of the amount of money a recruit can be expected to make, which is generally up there with the bigger schools.

It means that ND is doing it the "ND Way" and not paying players to come here. They're giving opportunities to get paid if you want to take advantage of them.

And therefore, even if ND signs some huge deal with UA, I don't think they're going to just give the players that money. Doesn't seem like an ND thing to do.

We haven't been losing 5-star recruits the past 2 cycles because we refuse to let players make money, it's because we aren't giving them these huge contracts or "the bag."

With many it's the "Bird in the hand" scenario.

 

[Guyjin37]

I've seen no proof ND is anywhere near the top bracket of getting its players paid in the end but I also wouldn't know the details as well as someone else.

I do know in year 1 ND lost big to NIL and we don't need to name those playere again.

I don't think anybody's seen any proof of anything. It's all just what you read and hear.

 

[Guyjin37]

With many it's the "Bird in the hand" scenario.

Exactly.

 

[IRISHDODGER]

Our weakness with NIL isn't that we don't do fair payment relative to other schools, it's that we don't do money up front.

If this all is true with UA and NIL, it does nothing to alleviate that situation. Then, because of the other disadvantages of UA, it just becomes yet another of the many things that add up to us not being able to win a title. It's death by a thousand cuts and we do it to ourselves; we need to be doing everything possible to eliminate these disadvantages where we can because of all of our unavoidable ones like emphasis on academics.

Terrible move to go with UA right now, hope they steer away from that train wreck.

While I’m sure there are programs w/ collectives that pay acquisition fees, I also think it’s been blown out of proportion. I could be wrong but there’s no published evidence of this being as widespread as fans seem to think. Also, we hear about the disappointed players who feel duped once they sign & the promised benefits either come w/ a hitch or not at all & the player bolts.

I’m curious as to how the “paper chasers” pan out at their respective schools. Do they become a distraction &/or bolt for a better bag at another school? Time will tell. This stuff is still new.

In the meantime, ND fans need to realize that their institution along w/ any collective is highly unlikely to get into paying acquisition fees. It’s similar to fans begging ND to lower their academic standards…it ain’t happening.

 

[Huntr]

Seriously, you're all a bunch of bitches

While I’m sure there are programs w/ collectives that pay acquisition fees, I also think it’s been blown out of proportion.

The only thing NIL changed was that it's basically out in the open, now.

 

[ACamp1900]

The only thing NIL changed was that it's basically out in the open, now.

This. I love hearing some coaches pretend to be shocked by it all when they were built by bagmen

 

[IrishFanForever23]

I wouldn't be surprised if NIL was not involved with sticking with UA. It would be a massive mistake by ND to not incorporate that somehow into the deal, but I wouldn't be shocked if it wasn't.

 

[NDFAN2008]

I wouldn't be surprised if NIL was not involved with sticking with UA. It would be a massive mistake by ND to not incorporate that somehow into the deal, but I wouldn't be shocked if it wasn't.

Sticking with UA would be a massive mistake their cleats are shitty and cause more injuries than any other brand

 

[ColinKSU]

Sounds exhausting.

It is!

 

[IrishLax]

Sticking with UA would be a massive mistake their cleats are shitty and cause more injuries than any other brand

Not doubting you but are there any studies/stats on this?

 

[NDFAN2008]

Not doubting you but are there any studies/stats on this?

I'd have to look just people have said the same. I mean we have been pretty lucky the last 2 years with Injuries but before that we had like 2-3 years in a row with bad luck

 

[Rocket89]

Nothing about Notre Dame's history suggests NIL is going to be a part of the Under Armour deal. I'm really curious why a few beat writers keep bringing it up. I guess in that way it's intriguing if true, but it goes against so much common sense realities about Notre Dame.

Is this football NIL money only? Notre Dame won't let that happen.

How much NIL money are we talking about? Some people are throwing out frankly some absurd numbers.

How would the logistics of this work? Even if you jump through the numerous illogical hoops of Notre Dame's approach to money has anyone described an effective way this could work?

On top of all of this...Under Armour doesn't have that much money.

They are already paying $9 million per year (part of that in apparel) for ND to wear their brand. They've had numerous corporate jobs cut recently, and massive restructuring since we first signed the deal back in 2014. Their stock has tanked. How can anyone pitch to their board that right now what they need is to spend even more on Notre Dame in a murky NIL relationship without guarantees it will amount to anything valuable to their brand?

They've been trying to right the ship for several years and now they're going to throw millions at fickle high school football players at a school noted for struggling to break through?

I just can't think of anything that UA could do (if they were stupid enough to over-spend on ND, to be frank) that wasn't illegal, that would work under Notre Dame's code of ethics (for a lack of a better term), and that would truly be beneficial for both parties.

 

[GATTACA!]

You can’t skip lunch.

You just can’t.

 

[Reaper97]

I'd have to look just people have said the same. I mean we have been pretty lucky the last 2 years with Injuries but before that we had like 2-3 years in a row with bad luck

That’s not true.

That’s Greg Flammang from ISD saying that everywhere & people supplied him with the data to show him he is wrong & he ignored it.
He openly admits he hates UA & wants Nike.

But there is no scientific data that supports his claims.

 

[TheProspector]

I wouldn't be surprised if NIL was not involved with sticking with UA. It would be a massive mistake by ND to not incorporate that somehow into the deal, but I wouldn't be shocked if it wasn't.

Loy noted today that he's hearing UA's NIL component of the deal is not significantly different than Nike's offer.

This is going to be a pure money grab. Swarbrick can tout the largest apparel deal in history while keeping his son employed. Of course, for a company in UA's financial position and considering they just sued to get out of their last large apparel deal (UCLA), odds aren't great we even get fully paid by UA.

 

[GATTACA!]

Loy noted today that he's hearing UA's NIL component of the deal is not significantly different than Nike's offer.

This is going to be a pure money grab. Swarbrick can tout the largest apparel deal in history while keeping his son employed. Of course, for a company in UA's financial position and considering they just sued to get out of their last large apparel deal (UCLA), odds aren't great we even get fully paid by UA.

 

[calvegas04]

Wasn't the last UA deal a lot of UA stock that decreased in value shortly after?

 

[FightingIrishLover7]

Love me some Penny Stock clothes

 

[NDPhilly]

Yeah there's a Non-zero chance UA doesnt exist in 5-10 years.

 

[FightingIrishLover7]

Yeah there's a Non-zero chance UA doesnt exist in 5-10 years.

Imagine NDs bargaining power at the next contract
"Nike, you better pay up or we're going to stay with, err umm"