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It gets worse. To those who believe the executive branch should not have the discretion to refuse to prosecute our laws... is a Logan Act prosecution mandatory after this?

The Logan Act is quite clear on who should and should not negotiate with foreign nations. The partisan letter of the Republican Senators on current negotiations with Iran is a clear violation of that act.

The Supreme Court was quite clear in ruling:

In United States v. Curtiss-Wright Export Corp. (1936), however, Justice Sutherland wrote in the majority opinion: "[T]he President alone has the power to speak or listen as a representative of the nation. He makes treaties with the advice and consent of the Senate; but he alone negotiates. Into the field of negotiation the Senate cannot intrude, and Congress itself is powerless to invade it." Sutherland also notes in his opinion the Senate Committee on Foreign Relations report to the Senate of February 15, 1816:

"The President is the constitutional representative of the United States with regard to foreign nations. He manages our concerns with foreign nations, and must necessarily be most competent to determine when, how, and upon what subjects negotiation may be urged with the greatest prospect of success. For his conduct, he is responsible to the Constitution."
 
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The Logan Act is quite clear on who should and should not negotiate with foreign nations. The partisan letter of the Republican Senators on current negotiations with Iran is a clear violation of that act.

The Supreme Court was quite clear in ruling:

In United States v. Curtiss-Wright Export Corp. (1936), however, Justice Sutherland wrote in the majority opinion: "[T]he President alone has the power to speak or listen as a representative of the nation. He makes treaties with the advice and consent of the Senate; but he alone negotiates. Into the field of negotiation the Senate cannot intrude, and Congress itself is powerless to invade it." Sutherland also notes in his opinion the Senate Committee on Foreign Relations report to the Senate of February 15, 1816:

"The President is the constitutional representative of the United States with regard to foreign nations. He manages our concerns with foreign nations, and must necessarily be most competent to determine when, how, and upon what subjects negotiation may be urged with the greatest prospect of success. For his conduct, he is responsible to the Constitution."

Did the letter set forth features or terms of any kind...did it invite a meeting, or urge a response. I realize this might pass for negotiations from the Obama administration on the foreign and domestic front, but it lacks any element of a negotiation I know of. It read like an idiot's guide to cutting a durable deal to me...it pointed to procedural aspects of any deal. Aspects, I suspect neither party in the negotiation was aware, or planned to consider.

I think congress was certainly out of line, but application of the above is a red-assed response. Good luck with it....
 

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Did the letter set forth features or terms of any kind...did it invite a meeting, or urge a response. I realize this might pass for negotiations from the Obama administration on the foreign and domestic front, but it lacks any element of a negotiation I know of. It read like an idiot's guide to cutting a durable deal to me...it pointed to procedural aspects of any deal. Aspects, I suspect neither party in the negotiation was aware, or planned to consider.

I think congress was certainly out of line, but application of the above is a red-assed response. Good luck with it....

a: Obviously, nobody who matters is going to follow through with a prosecution for this, because executive discretion.

b: Do you really think that the Iranian government's top negotiators don't understand the basic outlines of the American political system? I guess if you believe that, most of the letter might be interpreted as a harmless lesson in civics. Even then though, the last full paragraph seems like it's a direct intrusion into the President's realm. It's certainly proper for the Senate to tell the President that they won't support any deal he makes... but this is another story.

c: As a reminder, the full text of the Logan Act.

§ 953. Private correspondence with foreign governments.
Any citizen of the United States, wherever he may be, who, without authority of the United States, directly or indirectly commences or carries on any correspondence or intercourse with any foreign government or any officer or agent thereof, with intent to influence the measures or conduct of any foreign government or of any officer or agent thereof, in relation to any disputes or controversies with the United States, or to defeat the measures of the United States, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than three years, or both.
This section shall not abridge the right of a citizen to apply himself, or his agent, to any foreign government, or the agents thereof, for redress of any injury which he may have sustained from such government or any of its agents or subjects

So, of the 7 elements required for a § 953 violation we have 7:

Any Citizen: check
Without authority: Curtis-Wright makes clear the executive alone can give authority, check
Any Correspondence: Check
Any foreign government: Check
With intent to influence: check
Conduct of any foreign government: Iranian negotiation strategy, check
In relation to ANY disputes...with the United States: this is the only element that's even slightly ambiguous, but the fact that we have had an embargo on Iran for years over their weapons program seems like pretty clear evidence that nuclear negotiations with them are a "dispute"
 

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bush league move by those 47 senators...they don't even have their constitutional facts straight. pathetic.

there's no hope for this congress.
 

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I never suggested that anyone would follow through with a prosecution for violating the Logan Act. That would take courage that few politicians possess.

I was merely pointing out to a political party that is constantly harping on Obama for exceeding his constitutional authority that they are doing the same thing. The constitution gives the president (executive branch) the authority to negotiate treaties. The Logan Act and subsequent Supreme Court decision clearly delineates that the Senate has no role in negotiations. Since negotiations are on-going the letter signed by 47 Republican Senators is an intrusion into the negotiation process. So has the Republican led Senate exceeded their Constitutional authority? Yes, they have.
 

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47 GOP Senators decided to double down on stupid, petty and illegal contact with foreign governments to make a partisan political statement. What a surprise.
 

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The good news is that the Iranians are too smart and have been too impacted by the Obama sanctions to let this scuttle negotiations. The bad news is that this seriously undermines the US claim to be negotiating in good faith, which was basically a precondition to getting most of the rest of the world to sign on to sanctions. If this round of negotiations fails, it's going to be nearly impossible to keep effective sanctions on Iran, which, of course, will only bring us closer to the open invasion that so many GOP senators want.
 

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The good news is that the Iranians are too smart and have been too impacted by the Obama sanctions to let this scuttle negotiations. The bad news is that this seriously undermines the US claim to be negotiating in good faith, which was basically a precondition to getting most of the rest of the world to sign on to sanctions. If this round of negotiations fails, it's going to be nearly impossible to keep effective sanctions on Iran, which, of course, will only bring us closer to the open invasion that so many GOP senators want.

The short-sightedness, spitefulness, ignorance and open contempt for the law are astonishing. These childish antics by the GOP threaten to do damage to this country. Why treaten war when there are ongoing productive negotiations? It is absurd.
 

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The older I get, the more isolationist I become. I always thought the best foreign policy move would be aggressive US Energy policy. Now that we are self reliant for oil I fail to see why we need to pander to those nuts any more.

Plus, I don't know any Jews that really give to squats about Israel. I feel like most of the US pandering to Israel is political echo chamber BS than actual sentiment of the populace.
 

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The short-sightedness, spitefulness, ignorance and open contempt for the law are astonishing. These childish antics by the GOP threaten to do damage to this country. Why treaten war when there are ongoing productive negotiations? It is absurd.

AIPAC owns our Congress. That letter was basically ghost-written by Likud. Why this doesn't piss off more Americans is beyond me.
 

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The short-sightedness, spitefulness, ignorance and open contempt for the law are astonishing. These childish antics by politicians threaten to do damage to this country. Why treaten war when there are ongoing productive negotiations? It is absurd.

FIFY. Don't try to act like Democrats are angels who never stoop to stretching their constitutional powers.

These Senators are dead wrong, and they should be censured(at a minimum). But dumb political stunts is not the sole purview of the Republican Party.
 

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I don't like anyone in DC now. But the outrage against these guys, really?

One brutal photo shows why Vox is wrong on the GOP letter to Iran | Twitchy

Hey, Dems! If you’re angry about the GOP letter to Iran, what about Ted Kennedy dealing with the Soviets? | Twitchy

Both sides do it and have done it...there are other examples, but I have grown tired of all of this.

Kick them all out...I don't know...maybe figure out some way to make it like selective service...everyone does their time and moves on.
 

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I don't like anyone in DC now. But the outrage against these guys, really?

One brutal photo shows why Vox is wrong on the GOP letter to Iran | Twitchy

Hey, Dems! If you’re angry about the GOP letter to Iran, what about Ted Kennedy dealing with the Soviets? | Twitchy

Both sides do it and have done it...there are other examples, but I have grown tired of all of this.

Kick them all out...I don't know...maybe figure out some way to make it like selective service...everyone does their time and moves on.

Although I consider myself an Independent, I lean Republican; and I am outraged. But my outrage is not limited to just the flavor of the day.
 

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I don't like anyone in DC now. But the outrage against these guys, really?

One brutal photo shows why Vox is wrong on the GOP letter to Iran | Twitchy

Hey, Dems! If you’re angry about the GOP letter to Iran, what about Ted Kennedy dealing with the Soviets? | Twitchy

Both sides do it and have done it...there are other examples, but I have grown tired of all of this.

Kick them all out...I don't know...maybe figure out some way to make it like selective service...everyone does their time and moves on.

Schulz accused them of violating the Logan act at the time and was probably correct. I still think this is worse, as it is an open attempt to undermine ongoing negotiations, but you and kmoose are absolutely right that the realm of shitty politics is not exclusively populated by Republicans.
 

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I don't like anyone in DC now. But the outrage against these guys, really?

One brutal photo shows why Vox is wrong on the GOP letter to Iran | Twitchy

Hey, Dems! If you’re angry about the GOP letter to Iran, what about Ted Kennedy dealing with the Soviets? | Twitchy

Both sides do it and have done it...there are other examples, but I have grown tired of all of this.

Kick them all out...I don't know...maybe figure out some way to make it like selective service...everyone does their time and moves on.

Term limits
 

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a: Obviously, nobody who matters is going to follow through with a prosecution for this, because executive discretion.

b: Do you really think that the Iranian government's top negotiators don't understand the basic outlines of the American political system?I guess if you believe that, most of the letter might be interpreted as a harmless lesson in civics. Even then though, the last full paragraph seems like it's a direct intrusion into the President's realm. It's certainly proper for the Senate to tell the President that they won't support any deal he makes... but this is another story.

c: As a reminder, the full text of the Logan Act.



So, of the 7 elements required for a § 953 violation we have 7:

Any Citizen: check
Without authority: Curtis-Wright makes clear the executive alone can give authority, check Any Correspondence: Chec
Any foreign government: Check
With intent to influence: check...
Conduct of any foreign government: Iranian negotiation strategy, check...
In relation to ANY disputes...with the United States: this is the only element that's even slightly ambiguous, but the fact that we have had an embargo on Iran for years over their weapons program seems like pretty clear evidence that nuclear negotiations with them are a "dispute"

In the end when you mechanically parse into 7 elements as if they are all intended delineated subparts of a law, you lose, quite literally, the intent of the overall text...intent is exemplified by the origin of the law and precedent...it seems the impetus for the law, and past interpretations, hinged heavily on people going to a foreign country and having a dialog ("intercourse" in the text of the law)...the common meaning of the word "negotiation" presupposes an interchange as well. An open letter falls so far short of past considerations for application of this law, this entire discussion comparing Obama's failures to enforce letter and intent of laws is baseless.

Do I really think that the Iranian government's top negotiators don't understand the basic outlines of the American political system? No...I think they are being led to believe congress won't be a problem...I think they are being told congress will somehow be blocked from involvement, and that the international ripple of undoing a deal by the next president is too big....no one would do it. I think they are being mislead. The letter simply reinforces the fact that while Mr. Obama negotiates...there are STILL other considerations.

That said, it was poor form on the part of congress to engage this way. Sometimes desperation makes you do stupid shit...so what are they so wound up about? Yes they look like fools...but these are not dumb people...despite your belief to the contrary. Aren't you a little curious what has set them off on this awkward falling upon their sword routine?
 

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Re: statutory interpretation, I actually agree with you. But then, if you look at the arguments being advanced against the government in King v. Burwell and you look at who signed this letter and you can start to see the irony Im driving at here.

Re: what set the Senators off...I agree they're smart, I disagree they think they're falling on their sword here. That's why they're trying to get Hilary to sign on...they think it's a winning issue. Cotton has spent his entire life positioning for a presidential run, this is not a deviation from that course.
 

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Re: statutory interpretation, I actually agree with you. But then, if you look at the arguments being advanced against the government in King v. Burwell and you look at who signed this letter and you can start to see the irony Im driving at here.

I can kinda see that specific issue making you see things that way.

Re: what set the Senators off...I agree they're smart, I disagree they think they're falling on their sword here. That's why they're trying to get Hilary to sign on...they think it's a winning issue. Cotton has spent his entire life positioning for a presidential run, this is not a deviation from that course.

Maybe so...I haven't decided "why" quite yet...but they had to know nearly everyone looking at this with a sense of reasonable approaches and responses would think they were off base. So maybe falling on the sword was a poor analogy...in our current political environment maybe it would be better to say they were willing to take a serious body shot knowing they were going to land a haymaker.

Or maybe they see something in the content of negotiations that freaked them out...not sure we'll ever know.
 

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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>Sorry GOP, but nothing Obama can do will be a better deal for Iran’s position in the region than the Iraq War.</p>— Michael B Dougherty (@michaelbd) <a href="https://twitter.com/michaelbd/status/575138486992400384">March 10, 2015</a></blockquote>
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TAC's Pat Buchanan just published an article titled "Iran Doesn't Need a Bomb":

America, we have a problem.

In the blood-soaked chaotic Middle East, with few exceptions like the Kurds, our friends either can’t or won’t fight.

The Free Syrian Army folded. The U.S.-armed Hazm force in Syria has just collapsed after being routed by the al-Nusra Front. The Iraqi army we trained and equipped fled Mosul and ran all the way to Baghdad. The Turks could annihilate ISIS in Syria, but they won’t fight. Saudi Arabia and the Gulf Arabs have sent zero troops to fight ISIS. A handful of air strikes is it.

Now consider what our old enemies have done and are doing.

Hezbollah and Iran have sustained Bashar Assad’s Syrian army for four years and have ISIS and the al-Nusra Front on the defensive around Aleppo. Iran and its allied Shiite militia in Iraq are battling ISIS for Tikrit. Backed by Hezbollah, Houthi rebels have seized Yemen’s capital and are battling al-Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula. AQAP is the No. 1 terrorist threat to the U.S. homeland.

While Iran and its allies are fighting al-Qaeda and ISIS, Turkey and our Arab allies are malingerers at best and collaborators at worst. How explain this? Not difficult. The Shiites, a religious minority in the Muslim world—Hezbollah, Assad’s regime, Baghdad, Tehran—see ISIS as a mortal threat and are willing to fight to kill the monster.

Our Sunni allies won’t go out and fight ISIS, because that would make them allies of Iran and the Shiites, whom they fear even more. Our Sunni friends want America to crush ISIS and al-Qaeda, then to crush Hezbollah, Syria, and Iran. But why is it in our interest to send U.S. troops back into any of these wars?

Is America more threatened than our Arab allies? Rather than listening to allies who are noncombatants, we should take a hard look at the Mideast. To whom does the future belong? And with what can we live?

The Republicans want to give a blank check to Obama and any future president to fight ISIS and al-Qaeda everywhere and forever. And they want the United States to treat Iran as we should have treated Nazi Germany had Hitler been about to get the bomb.

But if the GOP platform takes the neocon-Netanyahu line that we must not only fight ISIS and al-Qaeda, but also Iran and Syria, the party will imperil its improving chances for 2016.

Americans don’t want another war. And if John Kerry comes home with a deal on Iran’s nuclear program, Americans are likely to reject a party that is seen as trying to torpedo that deal, when the alternative is war with Iran.

We do not know exactly what is in the Kerry deal, but what has been revealed thus far is no cause for panic or hysteria. Though Israel has 200 atomic bombs, Iran has not produced a single ounce of uranium enriched to bomb-grade 90 percent. Since talks began, Iran has diluted all of its 20-percent enriched uranium and halted production. Tehran is willing to cut her operating centrifuges by a third.

Inspectors and cameras are now in all of Iran’s nuclear facilities. The heavy-water plant at Arak, which would produce plutonium, has been halted. The reprocessing plant that would be needed to extract bomb-grade material has not even been started.

U.S. intelligence agencies in 2007 and 2011 declared, with high confidence, that Iran has no active bomb program. While Bibi Netanyahu says the Ayatollah tweeted that Israel must be “annihilated,” the same Ayatollah issued a fatwa against Iran ever producing nuclear weapons.

We cannot trust Iran, we are told. Correct. Nor should we, as history has proven. Moscow cheated on Nixon’s SALT I agreement by replacing its light single-warhead SS-11 missiles with heavy SS-19s with multiple warheads.

But as Meir Dagan, ex-head of Mossad points out, if Iran cheats at any of its facilities, we will know it, and it would take a year before Tehran could produce enough highly enriched uranium even to test a bomb. Plenty of time to gas up the B-2s.

Another question, too rarely raised, is this: Why would Iran test and build a nuclear bomb, when this would set off a nuclear arms race across the Middle East and put Iran in mortal peril of being smashed by the United States, or by Israel with a preemptive strike?

Right now, Hezbollah dominates Lebanon. Assad is gaining ground in Syria. Iraq, thanks to “W,” is Iran’s ally, not the mortal enemy of Saddam’s day. The Houthi have Sanaa. The Shiite majority in Bahrain, where the U.S. Fifth Fleet is berthed, will one day dominate that Gulf state. And the Shiites in oil-rich northeast Saudi Arabia will one day rise up against Riyadh.

Why build a bomb, why get into a war with a nuclear-armed superpower, when everything’s going your way?
 

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For the record:

Yesterday, the retarded section of our politicians was on full display. First, this completely ill-advised letter to Iran.

Then, Hillary Clinton's excuse for using a personal email account is that she doesn't want to carry two devices? Hello!! I get both my personal and my work email, all on my iPhone. How fvcking stupid does she think "we the people" are? The audacity on display, in both of these instances, is mind-boggling.
 

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For the record:

Yesterday, the retarded section of our politicians was on full display. First, this completely ill-advised letter to Iran.

Then, Hillary Clinton's excuse for using a personal email account is that she doesn't want to carry two devices? Hello!! I get both my personal and my work email, all on my iPhone. How fvcking stupid does she think "we the people" are? The audacity on display, in both of these instances, is mind-boggling.

You can't get government e-mail on a personal phone due to classification issues ... at least not in the Defense Department, where I work. I would have to assume that is the same for the State Department, especially for the Secretary of State. I have to carry two devises and it a pain in the ass, believe me. That, of course, does not make the optics of what she did any less troubling, but the carrying two devises thing is a real thing.
 

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You can't get government e-mail on a personal phone due to classification issues ... at least not in the Defense Department, where I work. I would have to assume that is the same for the State Department, especially for the Secretary of State. I have to carry two devises and it a pain in the ass, believe me. That, of course, does not make the optics of what she did any less troubling, but the carrying two devises thing is a real thing.

She's the fvcking Secretary of State. Don't tell me that she can't have one of her lackeys actually carry the second device. I've had to carry two devices before. It's not THAT big of a deal, and I didn't have a staff of people to help me.
 

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What a time to be alive. Iranian diplomats are schooling American congressmen in the workings of our own Constitution.

In the real world we are dealing with Iran...who, by all indications, has not stopped developing nuclear weapons at any point in time, regardless of what they say.

So while this is a cute political gotcha kind of moment making it easy to lampoon politicians and parties...We are still dealing with an unstable Theocracy, who will fail to heed this agreement before, during , and after the ink is drying on the paper unless the agreement gives them immediate consent to enrich material, and develop delivery systems. We can't control what happens to any of the material/weapons when Iran implodes.

Also, I find a couple things Ironic:

1) IAEA reported 2 mar 2015 "Iran continues to deny inspectors access to a key suspect site, ...it has carried out work there that will make it more difficult to determine what has been going on there" so this is happening as the Iranians use words like "good faith" in reference to their negotiating efforts.

2)The US is being lectured about binding nature and supremacy of international law/agreements from a government representative of a country who routinely violates basic human rights...even more so that their words carry enough credibility to apparently "resonate" with some.

The moment the IAEA report was issued, the negotiations should have ended. There is no basis from which you could possibly believe Iran will keep this agreement, and no means for reliable independent verification. We have no reason to trust and no way to verify...these negotiations are ridiculous.
 

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In the real world we are dealing with Iran...who, by all indications, has not stopped developing nuclear weapons at any point in time, regardless of what they say.

See the TAC article I posted above. Tehran has made significant verified concessions on its enrichment program thus far. I don't know what sources you're reading, but I don't see much evidence that Iran is negotiating in bad faith. If anything, it's far more likely that they never really intended to build a bomb in the first place (again, for the reasons listed in the article above), and that they're using this issue as chit to gain concessions. Why would Iran pursue a course of action likely to invite war with the US when its regional influence has already waxed significantly due to recent American foreign policy blunders?

So while this is a cute political gotcha kind of moment making it easy to lampoon politicians and parties...We are still dealing with an unstable Theocracy, who will fail to heed this agreement before, during , and after the ink is drying on the paper unless the agreement gives them immediate consent to enrich material, and develop delivery systems.

Setting the mullahs' rhetoric aside, Iran is a very rational and predictable actor. We can deal with them. We can't deal with ISIS (whom Iran is currently fighting), and it's painfully apparent that we can't rely on Israel or the Arab League to advance our interests in the region either.

We can't control what happens to any of the material/weapons when Iran implodes.

Iran is only going to implode if American hawks are allowed to lead this country into another disasterous war.

The moment the IAEA report was issued, the negotiations should have ended. There is no basis from which you could possibly believe Iran will keep this agreement, and no means for reliable independent verification. We have no reason to trust and no way to verify...these negotiations are ridiculous.

Where are you reading this stuff? I follow foreign policy pretty closely, and I've read nothing even close to this from a single respectable source.
 
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See the TAC article I posted above. Tehran has made significant verified concessions on its enrichment program thus far. I don't know what sources you're reading, but I don't see much evidence that Iran is negotiating in bad faith. If anything, it's far more likely that they never really intended to build a bomb in the first place (again, for the reasons listed in the article above), and that they're using this issue as chit to gain concessions. Why would Iran pursue a course of action likely to invite war with the US when its regional influence has already waxed significantly due to recent American foreign policy blunders?

none of which mean much without the context of understanding how far along they are technologically.

-We know they have Ballistic Missile Capability, and actually refuse to be regulated on that point.

-We know they have significant enrichment capability, and are cooperating some on this point.

-We think they have messed with detonation devices, but we can't get access where that is alleged to have happened, and Iran isn't providing much in terms of information on that front.

This is an older assessment, but credible, and speaks some to the things I think actually matter...ie the stuff that falls under the "Military" area of IAEA reports.
http://csis.org/files/publication/111108_irans_evolving_nuclear_forces.pdf



Setting the mullahs' rhetoric aside, Iran is a very rational and predictable actor. We can deal with them. We can't deal with ISIS (whom Iran is currently fighting), and it's painfully apparent that we can't rely on Israel or the Arab League to advance our interests in the region either.

Pretty big set aside when you answer the following...Who makes the go-no go decision to follow agreements and launch weapons? No one said the issue is not complex. No one said it would be easy. I'm not sold on having to deal with anyone such that we are negotiating with people who are not forthcoming particularly related to the Military dimension..


Iran is only going to implode if American hawks are allowed to lead this country into another disasterous war.

Opinion. My opinion says that demographics will drive an Arab spring type response to Iranian leadership w/in 5 years...then what? Who knows.

Where are you reading this stuff? I follow foreign policy pretty closely, and I've read nothing even close to this from a single respectable source.

Recent reporting (this is a conservative site...but the article isn't out of line):
IAEA Warns of Possible Iranian 'Activities Related to Development of a Nuclear Payload' | CNS News

its really about this same issue...still unresolved, and the daily beast is pretty neutral:
U.N. Inspectors’ Iran Nuclear Mission Fails as Tehran Denies Access to Key Site - The Daily Beast

IAEA report: Pay attention to "military" related sections and the Inspector generals statemnents. The two issues he refers to are Military related...

https://www.iaea.org/sites/default/files/gov2015-15.pdf

And then there are some tin foil hat references out there which contain alleged ongoing programs at hidden sites ...allegations were to have been provided by Iranian refugees, some pretty specific with regard to technologies.

Ignoring those tin foil hat references...there is enough concern specifically with regard to a lack of ability to account for "Military" capabilities, and apparent activities to prevent determining that dimension with any accuracy that says to me...tERRRRR. Not negotiating in good faith. The rest of what Iran is doing is nice, but really doesn't matter. if you do not know this part, you are pissing up a rope.
 
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WaPo's Dan Drezner just published an article titled "A coda to the Cotton letter":

On Monday, I wrote that an Obama-signed executive agreement on Iran would very likely outlast his administration. Regardless of the agreement’s legal status, it would be politically costly for any successor to Obama to renege on any actual deal, assuming that it’s (a) successfully negotiated; and (b) adhered to by Iran as closely as the 2013 interim agreement.

So in the 24 hours since, the political kerfuffle over Sen. Tom Cotton’s letter escalated quickly. I mean, Biden killed a guy with a trident put out a pretty nasty statement averring, “In 36 years in the United States Senate, I cannot recall another instance in which Senators wrote directly to advise another country — much less a longtime foreign adversary — that the President does not have the constitutional authority to reach a meaningful understanding with them.” President Obama didn’t go that far, but he did pick up on the “Star Trek VI”-like oddball coalition of hard-liners.

Cotton (R-Ark.) fired back Tuesday morning, blasting Biden’s foreign policy record and demanding that the administration put any agreement with Iran up for Senate approval. What’s interesting, however, is that Cotton’s MSNBC hit didn’t bring up Iranian Foreign Minister Mohammad Javad Zarif’s open response to Cotton’s letter, which rocketed around Twitter on Monday night:

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>.<a href="https://twitter.com/SenTomCotton">@SenTomCotton</a> ICYMI my response. In English. <a href="http://t.co/jEleaAjGaG">http://t.co/jEleaAjGaG</a> <a href="http://t.co/9482aLbSC6">pic.twitter.com/9482aLbSC6</a></p>— Javad Zarif (@JZarif) <a href="https://twitter.com/JZarif/status/575133535528427520">March 10, 2015</a></blockquote>
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I don’t agree with all of Zarif’s response, but he did bring up two pretty compelling reasons why the deal might stick despite opposition that I did not address in my previous post:

[Zarif] emphasized that if the current negotiation with P5+1 result in a Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action, it will not be a bilateral agreement between Iran and the US, but rather one that will be concluded with the participation of five other countries, including all permanent members of the Security Council, and will also be endorsed by a Security Council resolution.

Zarif expressed the hope that his comments “may enrich the knowledge of the authors to recognize that according to international law, Congress may not modify the terms of the agreement at any time as they claim, and if Congress adopts any measure to impede its implementation, it will have committed a material breach of US obligations.

This is an important point that often gets lost in the partisan rancor. The Iran negotiations are not a bilateral arrangement between Iran and the United States, but a P5+1 negotiation with Iran. If a deal is reached, it’s a deal that has the support of all the permanent members of the U.N. Security Council plus Germany.

Now I doubt that Tom Cotton et al would weep much if, in undermining an executive agreement, they would tick off, say, Russia or China. But our NATO allies in Europe are another question entirely. Does the next president want one of his/her first actions to be revoking a deal negotiated in part by America’s closest allies? Methinks not.

Zarif brought up another reason why he thinks GOP senators are bluffing:

The Foreign Minister also informed the authors that majority of US international agreements in recent decades are in fact what the signatories describe as “mere executive agreements” and not treaties ratified by the Senate.

He reminded them that “their letter in fact undermines the credibility of thousands of such mere executive agreements that have been or will be entered into by the US with various other governments.

I’m less convinced that this would act as a deterrent to Republican members of Congress, who do have some legitimate gripes with this administration when it comes to executive power. But it would act as a deterrent for the next president, and that’s the actor that really matters in Iran’s calculations. The next president is going to ink a lot of executive agreements, as well, and would not want the credibility of this legal instrument in general to be sabotaged.

Zarif’s response reinforces my conclusion from Monday: This open letter will have minimal impact on the Iran negotiations, and any executive agreement signed by Obama will likely outlive his administration. And it’s that unacknowledged fact that so enrages Republican senators.

Good. F*ck every last one of them-- especially Cruz, Rubio and Paul. Any politician willing to go to such lengths to instigate a war with Iran is unfit for office.
 

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WaPo's Dan Drezner just published an article titled "A coda to the Cotton letter":



Good. F*ck every last one of them-- especially Cruz, Rubio and Paul. Any politician willing to go to such lengths to instigate a war with Iran is unfit for office.

Amen! At least office in the U.S.A., although they could probably be effective representatives in the Likud Party.
 
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