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NDFAN420 said:
Barring major changes, I think that he can make a very nice contribution on Special Teams; blow up blocker, deliver a hit, change of momentum stuff.
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I could see that. It’d be a lot nicer if he wasn’t at a position of desperate need, though.
 
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Lberry said:
Listening to Sampson/Fortuna's new podcast "The Independent". Few minutes in Fortuna mentions WF's WRs were "significantly better' than NDs are.

Is that true? Were any drafted or expected to be high drafts in future? I was impressed with them but I only watched Clemson game. I wonder how hard he actually works to follow summer camp/fall camp.

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Hartman was the class of 2018. So let's take a look at the WF WRs over the years.

2018: These are all of the WRs listed on the roster, FR - GR. Highest rated prospect was a tie at 86 (247)
Ratings N/A: 6
2 stars: 3
3 stars: 6
4-5 stars: 0

2019: Now just adding FR and GR Transfers. Highest rated prospect: 88
N/A: 3
3 stars: 2
4 stars: 1 (Donavan Greene, 94 on 247)

2020:
N/A: 1
3 stars: 4

2021:
N/A: 3
3 stars: 3

2022:
N/A: 3
3 stars: 2
4 stars: 1 (Wesley Grimes, 90)


There's no question that as far as raw prospect talent goes, he's got it way better here at ND. So, when certain posters (they know who they are) ask why should there be optimism about this mostly young and unproven WR unit, look at what Hartman had to work with at WF.

We like to say ND "shops down a different aisle" for its players based on academics and character, but look at what aisle WF is shopping down. In Hartman's time there, they've literally had as many WRs on their roster without a recruiting profile available or two stars (19) as they did 3-4 stars (19). He had two 4 stars during his time at Wake, and one of them was barely that with a rating of 90. Highest rated WR: 94. And, to add insult to injury, majority of their 3 stars were in the 80-86 range, with ONE at 88.

The reason for optimism: If Hartman can throw for numbers like he did with a WR group with that low of a ceiling, imagine what he might be able to do with a WR full of 4 stars with much higher ceilings. It's not hard to imagine he has a very, very good year, and we see some unproven WRs blossom. Not to mention how good this running game should be, and its elementary football knowledge that a solid running games opens up the pass.
 
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Personally I’d be interested in a podcast with some of our posters with multiple personalities.
 
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Some Irish Bloke said:
Hartman was the class of 2018. So let's take a look at the WF WRs over the years.

2018: These are all of the WRs listed on the roster, FR - GR. Highest rated prospect was a tie at 86 (247)
Ratings N/A: 6
2 stars: 3
3 stars: 6
4-5 stars: 0

2019: Now just adding FR and GR Transfers. Highest rated prospect: 88
N/A: 3
3 stars: 2
4 stars: 1 (Donavan Greene, 94 on 247)

2020:
N/A: 1
3 stars: 4

2021:
N/A: 3
3 stars: 3

2022:
N/A: 3
3 stars: 2
4 stars: 1 (Wesley Grimes, 90)


There's no question that as far as raw prospect talent goes, he's got it way better here at ND. So, when certain posters (they know who they are) ask why should there be optimism about this mostly young and unproven WR unit, look at what Hartman had to work with at WF.

We like to say ND "shops down a different aisle" for its players based on academics and character, but look at what aisle WF is shopping down. In Hartman's time there, they've literally had as many WRs on their roster without a recruiting profile available or two stars (19) as they did 3-4 stars (19). He had two 4 stars during his time at Wake, and one of them was barely that with a rating of 90. Highest rated WR: 94. And, to add insult to injury, majority of their 3 stars were in the 80-86 range, with ONE at 88.

The reason for optimism: If Hartman can throw for numbers like he did with a WR group with that low of a ceiling, imagine what he might be able to do with a WR full of 4 stars with much higher ceilings. It's not hard to imagine he has a very, very good year, and we see some unproven WRs blossom. Not to mention how good this running game should be, and its elementary football knowledge that a solid running games opens up the pass.
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I think it's hard to gauge and compare the receivers between us and WF the last few years. For one, we've had up and down QB ability and production while WF had a pretty good QB...which we have now. Second, while our WR recruiting certainly could have been better when Long and BK were running things, we did have better recruits on paper...definitely the last few years with Rees and Freeman. I think more than anything it's been the position coaching holding us back. Del wasn't up to snuff, we had some talent that was squandered. I think we saw the receivers start to pick things up mid season last year, hopefully as a result of Stuckey's influence. I'm sure we'll see even more gains this year with Hartman throwing to them now.
 
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Lberry said:
I've never listened to a Driskel podcast, or read a word he's written. I have zero opinion of him, good or bad.

It's just been interesting to see what people here "rip on him" for, or so they think.
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Dang, we definitely had you pegged as the kind of guy who hangs out in his wife's basement all day drinking Mountain Dew.
 
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ulukinatme said:
I think it's hard to gauge and compare the receivers between us and WF the last few years. For one, we've had up and down QB ability and production while WF had a pretty good QB...which we have now. Second, while our WR recruiting certainly could have been better when Long and BK were running things, we did have better recruits on paper...definitely the last few years with Rees and Freeman. I think more than anything it's been the position coaching holding us back. Del wasn't up to snuff, we had some talent that was squandered. I think we saw the receivers start to pick things up mid season last year, hopefully as a result of Stuckey's influence. I'm sure we'll see even more gains this year with Hartman throwing to them now.
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My thoughts exactly. You can speak to player development and/or the Hartman effect to show that WF definitely got more juice from their squeeze in regards to the talent at their ratings.

But I think it's pretty easy to say that based on raw talent, which is a big part of what goes into recruiting rankings, Hartman has better tools at his disposal this Fall. I'm really excited to see what he can do with them, and excited to see the WRs potential with a vastly improved QB situation.
 
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I rather like most of the ND pods, each have their own pos/ neg.

Usually, I hit these depending on what I'm looking for:
BGI- recruiting.
ISD and Irish Illustrated- on overall program info
Driskell-game strategy/ breakdown
One Foot Down- when I want pod chaos haha
 
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condoms SUCk said:
I rather like most of the ND pods, each have their own pos/ neg.

Usually, I hit these depending on what I'm looking for:
BGI- recruiting.
ISD and Irish Illustrated- on overall program info
Driskell-game strategy/ breakdown
One Foot Down- when I want pod chaos haha
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I thought I learned ya better, stay away from Driskell! :laugh:
 
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This on location episode of IrishIllustrated.com Insider is unlistenable
 
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on espn they got this fucking half whit Bill Connolly and he has this graphic that I can’t screen shot but says:

Notre Dame win probability

NC State 43.7%
Ohio State 2.3%
Louisville 36.6%
USC 7.5%
Clemson 12.4%


Da fuq world am I living in
 
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INLaw said:
on espn they got this fucking half whit Bill Connolly and he has this graphic that I can’t screen shot but says:

Notre Dame win probability

NC State 43.7%
Ohio State 2.3%
Louisville 36.6%
USC 7.5%
Clemson 12.4%


Da fuq world am I living in
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I saw that too. Asinine.
 
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INLaw said:
on espn they got this fucking half whit Bill Connolly and he has this graphic that I can’t screen shot but says:

Notre Dame win probability

NC State 43.7%
Ohio State 2.3%
Louisville 36.6%
USC 7.5%
Clemson 12.4%


Da fuq world am I living in
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I’ve told people a thousand times, Bill Connolly’s model is straight dog shit.
It’s legit horrible.
After LSU beat #4 UGA 37-10 in SEC title game, then OU 63-28 in the CFP semi, then Clemson 42-25 in the CFP Final, going 15-0, his model still didn’t have them #1.
He tried defending it by saying his model predicts who will win if they play, and according to his model, Clemson would beat LSU on a neutral field…and this was the day after LSU beat Clemson by 17 on a neutral field.
Connolly’s dumb ass doubled down & said despite what just happened, Clemson was the better team according to his model.
It’s garbage.

Also, in case you were wondering, he had 13-1 OSU as national champs, despite not even making it to the CFP final.
 
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INLaw said:
on espn they got this fucking half whit Bill Connolly and he has this graphic that I can’t screen shot but says:

Notre Dame win probability

NC State 43.7%
Ohio State 2.3%
Louisville 36.6%
USC 7.5%
Clemson 12.4%


Da fuq world am I living in
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So ESPN hired me,… I got that bag…. Piss off
 
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INLaw said:
on espn they got this fucking half whit Bill Connolly and he has this graphic that I can’t screen shot but says:

Notre Dame win probability

NC State 43.7%
Ohio State 2.3%
Louisville 36.6%
USC 7.5%
Clemson 12.4%


Da fuq world am I living in
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Even Irishdrunk gives us a 4% chance to beat OSU.
 
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