ND Women's BB '16 -'17 Season
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When WMU had its terrific team (about 10-15 years ago), we had only one conventional rebounder (a 6'2" forward with a tough attitude about warring it out {Lori Crisman}). Lori couldn't hold up all on her own, so our two best athletes, Maria Jilian and Casey Rost (both 5'9" guards --- Maria was the point guard) saved our butts in most games by crashing in from their outside positions. Both could jump and those instinctive running starts out-jumped most everyone.
Could Muffet do something similar? Well, two of our three best athletes are Lindsay and Jackie, and they can crash, and have been leading us in rebounding anyway. But, ND has nobody like Crisman (Lori went to play in Europe and led three different leagues in rebounding over the years.) We have no "big" with anything like her attitude, nor her speed and instincts --- that includes Brianna. Brianna is actually a pretty poor rebounder for her height, length, and ball-vision. She is reduced most games (vs strong opponents) to trying to tip the ball to teammates rather than climax-grabbing it. If it was only simple rebounding to worry about, I'd think that we might have a chance (especially if Kat was healthy and Arike motivated and Erin aware that it would be great if she hustled into the meathouse every play when shots were going up [rather than slow-motion ball-watching.])
BUT even if we could survive the rebounding issue, it's the loss of the rim-protector thing that Brianna does that's going to cost us a large number of points. We have no one to really intimidate anyone. I don't see how even Muffet can invent a replacement for that out of mist and magic.
Could Muffet do something similar? Well, two of our three best athletes are Lindsay and Jackie, and they can crash, and have been leading us in rebounding anyway. But, ND has nobody like Crisman (Lori went to play in Europe and led three different leagues in rebounding over the years.) We have no "big" with anything like her attitude, nor her speed and instincts --- that includes Brianna. Brianna is actually a pretty poor rebounder for her height, length, and ball-vision. She is reduced most games (vs strong opponents) to trying to tip the ball to teammates rather than climax-grabbing it. If it was only simple rebounding to worry about, I'd think that we might have a chance (especially if Kat was healthy and Arike motivated and Erin aware that it would be great if she hustled into the meathouse every play when shots were going up [rather than slow-motion ball-watching.])
BUT even if we could survive the rebounding issue, it's the loss of the rim-protector thing that Brianna does that's going to cost us a large number of points. We have no one to really intimidate anyone. I don't see how even Muffet can invent a replacement for that out of mist and magic.
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Need to step up defense.
Game vs. OSU is on ESPN.
Game vs. OSU is on ESPN.
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Suckeye tears taste soo sweet.
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Gentlemen, since OSU was such a flawed team (which allowed our genius coach to design them out of the game), maybe despite our wonderful performance we won't keep going in the tournament vs sounder teams (Kat, for instance, left everything she had on the court, barely being able to turn quickly in the second half) but no matter what comes next, this team is now a team, and Muffet is, once again, a Pearl of inestimable Price.
Consider going into the future the special thing that she accomplished this year. She turned a high-octane, high-ego, free-wheeling non-team player, gunner, and absent-minded defender into an All-American before our eyes.
Arike was All-American tonight. She played basketball, not Arike-ball. Lindsay, as usual, was also All-American tonight. ... but we expect that. Marina was a Brains All-American in her constant attention to defensive detail (I caught only one instance where she let herself get knocked down and didn't hustle back to do her job.) The two rooks did their stuff with confidence, and Erin even waded in on the boards some. Kat gave us all she had with a gritty double double.
But the Almost-a-Miracle has been Coach's magnificent handling of Arike. Muffet McGraw, if you don't already have a PHD in Sports Psychology and Athlete Maturity, we need to give you one.
Consider going into the future the special thing that she accomplished this year. She turned a high-octane, high-ego, free-wheeling non-team player, gunner, and absent-minded defender into an All-American before our eyes.
Arike was All-American tonight. She played basketball, not Arike-ball. Lindsay, as usual, was also All-American tonight. ... but we expect that. Marina was a Brains All-American in her constant attention to defensive detail (I caught only one instance where she let herself get knocked down and didn't hustle back to do her job.) The two rooks did their stuff with confidence, and Erin even waded in on the boards some. Kat gave us all she had with a gritty double double.
But the Almost-a-Miracle has been Coach's magnificent handling of Arike. Muffet McGraw, if you don't already have a PHD in Sports Psychology and Athlete Maturity, we need to give you one.
Coach is so good, you hardly ever see her inserting herself during a game, just lets her players play. Thought OSU had bad game plan vs ND, but really not too knowledgeable of them. ND played so smart...no contest.
ND 99 OSU 76
ND 99 OSU 76
ND 99 OSU 76
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## Player Name FG-FGA FG-FGA FT-FTA OF DE TOT PF TP A TO BLK S MIN
22 Erin Boley.......... f 5-10 4-6 0-0 4 5 9 4 14 1 0 0 0 27
33 Kathryn Westbeld.... f 4-7 0-1 2-2 3 8 11 1 10 6 2 1 1 33
03 Marina Mabrey....... g 5-11 4-9 0-0 0 2 2 2 14 0 3 0 1 29
15 Lindsay Allen....... g 5-10 0-1 6-6 0 2 2 1 16 10 3 0 2 39
24 Arike Ogunbowale.... g 12-23 4-7 7-8 0 9 9 3 35 1 2 0 0 37
05 Jackie Young........ 3-3 0-0 4-4 0 1 1 3 10 3 0 0 0 26
14 Mychal Johnson...... 0-0 0-0 0-0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 1
20 Ali Patberg......... 0-0 0-0 0-0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 1
21 Kristina Nelson..... 0-1 0-0 0-0 0 1 1 0 0 2 1 0 0 7
TEAM................ 3 4 7
Totals.............. 34-65 12-24 19-20 10 32 42 14 99 23 11 1 4 200
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TOTAL FG% 1st Half: 18-33 54.5% 2nd Half: 16-32 50.0% Game: 52.3% DEADB
3-Pt. FG% 1st Half: 8-14 57.1% 2nd Half: 4-10 40.0% Game: 50.0% REBS
F Throw % 1st Half: 6-7 85.7% 2nd Half: 13-13 100 % Game: 95.0% 0
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Points in the paint-OSU 34,ND 38. Points off turnovers-OSU 13,ND 13.
2nd chance points-OSU 4,ND 14. Fast break points-OSU 2,ND 0.
Bench points-OSU 34,ND 10. Score tied-5 times. Lead changed-4 times.
Last FG-OSU 4th-05:25, ND 4th-02:08.
Largest lead-OSU by 4 1st-00:27, ND by 23 4th-03:35.
OSU led for 03:01. ND led for 34:21. Game was tied for 02:38.ASAP Sports Transcripts - Basketball - 2017 - NCAA WOMEN'S REGIONAL SEMIFINALS AND FINALS: LEXINGTON - March 24 - Muffet McGraw - Arike Ogunbowale - Erin Boley
MUFFET McGRAW:
Kat played 33 minutes, 10 pts, 11 rebs, Double Double, 6 Assists, a steal, and the team's only block. 33 minutes is the equivalent of a couple of games for her the past few weeks. Rest well!
MUFFET McGRAW:
Kat played 33 minutes, 10 pts, 11 rebs, Double Double, 6 Assists, a steal, and the team's only block. 33 minutes is the equivalent of a couple of games for her the past few weeks. Rest well!
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Re: Stanford (just looking at the stat sheets)
A). They field two seniors, one junior, and two sophomores.
B). "Twin Towers" McCall and Smith are both 6'3" and both rebound. Both also score, and McCall might score a bunch.
C). Samuelson is the main bomber, but it's possible to slow her down --- she is good, though.
D). Sniezek is their 5'8" point guard --- she rarely shoots. Her back-up, Roberson is 5'7" and will shoot, but Sniezek plays most of the game. She is a sophomore.
E). 5th starter is 6'0" McPhee. She scores and also does some rebounding. Slowing her and Samuelson might be one way to limit these people.
F). This is a team which often is an "Iron-Five-plus-One", that is 5 starters going as long as they can plus Roberson --- a player named Johnson sometimes gets 10 minutes.
We know Stanford will be sound because of their coach. We also know that we have trouble with Twin Towers. But they are also a bench-limited team, and might be as tired as we are (pray that Kat's rested enough.) The fact of a 30 minute starter who won't shoot might well be focussed upon by Muffet in designing the defense --- or at worst it's a way to ensure Lindsay wouldn't get in foul trouble, if she wants to go that way. It's hard from just the sheets to tell if Stanford is good or poor at defending threes (obviously a big deal.) Texas didn't do well there, but an earlier team did.
My "brilliant intuition" is that this game depends upon our rebounding on defense. I'll bet a lot that we are significantly quicker than they are. Can we continue setting fire to the nets from distance? We have to.
A). They field two seniors, one junior, and two sophomores.
B). "Twin Towers" McCall and Smith are both 6'3" and both rebound. Both also score, and McCall might score a bunch.
C). Samuelson is the main bomber, but it's possible to slow her down --- she is good, though.
D). Sniezek is their 5'8" point guard --- she rarely shoots. Her back-up, Roberson is 5'7" and will shoot, but Sniezek plays most of the game. She is a sophomore.
E). 5th starter is 6'0" McPhee. She scores and also does some rebounding. Slowing her and Samuelson might be one way to limit these people.
F). This is a team which often is an "Iron-Five-plus-One", that is 5 starters going as long as they can plus Roberson --- a player named Johnson sometimes gets 10 minutes.
We know Stanford will be sound because of their coach. We also know that we have trouble with Twin Towers. But they are also a bench-limited team, and might be as tired as we are (pray that Kat's rested enough.) The fact of a 30 minute starter who won't shoot might well be focussed upon by Muffet in designing the defense --- or at worst it's a way to ensure Lindsay wouldn't get in foul trouble, if she wants to go that way. It's hard from just the sheets to tell if Stanford is good or poor at defending threes (obviously a big deal.) Texas didn't do well there, but an earlier team did.
My "brilliant intuition" is that this game depends upon our rebounding on defense. I'll bet a lot that we are significantly quicker than they are. Can we continue setting fire to the nets from distance? We have to.
Stanford v ND Sunday 11AM CT ESPN
Stanford v ND Sunday 11AM CT ESPN
Matchup: Stanford vs. Notre Dame
Date: Sunday, March 26
Time: 12 p.m. ET
Site: Lexington, Ky.
Arena: Rupp Arena (23,000)
Television: ESPN
Talent: Beth Mowins, Debbie Antonelli and
Allison Williams
Local Radio: Pulse FM 96.9/92.1
Talent: Bob Nagle
Live Audio: WatchND App or WatchND.tv
National Radio: Westwood One
Talent: Mark Hauser and Kristin Kozlowski
Live Stats: UND.com
Live Updates: @NDWBB
Series History: Stanford leads 3-1
Stanford v ND Sunday 11AM CT ESPN
Matchup: Stanford vs. Notre Dame
Date: Sunday, March 26
Time: 12 p.m. ET
Site: Lexington, Ky.
Arena: Rupp Arena (23,000)
Television: ESPN
Talent: Beth Mowins, Debbie Antonelli and
Allison Williams
Local Radio: Pulse FM 96.9/92.1
Talent: Bob Nagle
Live Audio: WatchND App or WatchND.tv
National Radio: Westwood One
Talent: Mark Hauser and Kristin Kozlowski
Live Stats: UND.com
Live Updates: @NDWBB
Series History: Stanford leads 3-1
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Matchup SU ND
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FG Made-Att 9-15 9-16
Field Goal % 60.0 56.3
3PT Made-Att 5-8 2-5
Three Point % 62.5 40.0
FT Made-Attem 1-2 2-3
Free Throw % 50.0 66.7
Total Rebounds 7 6
Offensive Rebs 1 1
Defensive Rebs 6 5
Team Rebounds 0 0
Assists 8 3
Steals 0 1
Blocks 0 0
Turnovers 3 1
Team Turnovers 0 0
Total Turnovers 3 1
Personal Fouls 3 1End of 1 SU 24 ND 22
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STARTERS FG 3PT FT OREB DREB REB AST STL BLK TO PF PTS
K. Westbeld F 0-2 0-1 0-0 1 0 1 1 0 0 0 0 0
E. Boley F 1-2 1-2 0-0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 3
M. Mabrey G 3-4 1-2 0-0 0 0 0 0 1 0 0 0 7
A. Ogunbowale G 4-6 0-0 1-1 0 1 1 0 0 0 0 0 9
L. Allen G 1-2 0-0 1-2 0 3 3 2 0 0 1 0 3
BENCH FG 3PT FT OREB DREB REB AST STL BLK TO PF PTS
J. Young G 0-0 0-0 0-0 0 1 1 0 0 0 0 0 0
TEAM 9-16 2-5 2-3 1 5 6 3 1 0 1 1 22
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Is there a rule against passing the ball?
Pass the ball.
Except for Arike
Pass the ball.
Except for Arike