ND vs GA Tech Betting Line

[rtrn2glory]

I thought it was -3 ND as of yesterday??

 

[NDinL.A.]

Okay let me ask you this one question to answer honestly:

Would Bama have any problem absolutely crushing Virginia and need a hail mary with 12 secs to go to win this year? Would OSU? MSU?

The answer should be a resounding no. So basically, ND Is no way close to being a playoff team. And for good reason. Lose your starting TB, QB, TE and DT in two games and things get tough. But it is the hand we are dealt and all teams deal with injuries. OSU had their first two qbs go down and depended on the run game with an OL less rated than NDs and they won a NC.

That is where ND should be. The fact that it isnt is 100% on BK.

I seriously feel like you're trolling us on this thread. First, you say Kizer isn't a D1 QB, which is friggin' asinine and something you've quietly NOT responded to.

Then, you call Kizer's pass a Hail Mary that clearly wasn’t a Hail Mary.

And then you claim that teams who have struggled MASSIVELY with weaker teams in the past wouldn’t have struggled with Virginia. Serious question…do you even watch college football outside of ND?

Another question…why do so many people have to make crazy, wild claims not even close to being grounded in any truth or facts, just to make their points? Why not just state your opinion without going so far over-the-top, in some cases even straight lying just to make a point? Baffles me that some people can’t just make their opinions, even if they are against the grain, without going over-the-top or even making things up.

 

[kmoose]

I never really have been extremely high on ratings. I mean, I do follow them and expect a certain amount of the rating to coincide with the player once they (if they) hit the field regardless of the program the recruit goes.

But I always go back to Marcus Mariota. He was a 3-star coming out of high school. Only offered by Memphis and Oregon.

High School coaches can only do so much to 'Coach' a player. Once the player gets to the level of D1, the coaching increases dramatically plus, the system also may dictate or bring out certain qualities of a player not available or used in HS.

I honestly believe Kizer can produce. Wimbush is fit to be seen but, he too was offered by Alabama, LSU, Miami, Mich. St, Tennesse and Ohio St. So there is something there.

Mariota played a year or two at JUCO before going to Oregon. He had some time to hone his craft in the minors before getting called up.

Mea culpa: Mariota was not a JUCO guy. My mistake.

 

[IrishInFl]

Wow, 247 composite has him at #2224 overall. That may be naia talent there.

 

[Wingman Ray]

Can't quote-

Meeting in a minute, so quick response - maybe. I mean, bama to the playoffs last year and almost lose to West Virginia early last year. Struggles happen to good teams, especially sandwiched between 2 bigger games.

Bama won by 10 pts that game. Lead halftime by 3 and gave up 6 pts the second half. Look at all of Bamas games and the win comes 2nd half when the OL wears down the defense and the defense gets tired of tackling the backs.

Im not a Bama, OSU or MSU fan at all. Just stating facts.

 

[T Town Tommy]

Okay let me ask you this one question to answer honestly:

Would Bama have any problem absolutely crushing Virginia and need a hail mary with 12 secs to go to win this year? Would OSU? MSU?

The answer should be a resounding no. So basically, ND Is no way close to being a playoff team. And for good reason. Lose your starting TB, QB, TE and DT in two games and things get tough. But it is the hand we are dealt and all teams deal with injuries. OSU had their first two qbs go down and depended on the run game with an OL less rated than NDs and they won a NC.

That is where ND should be. The fact that it isnt is 100% on BK.

Can't say Bama would have done this or that as they didn't play Va. It simply doesn't work that way. On paper... maybe. But games aren't played on paper. Ask big mouth Bert and Arkansas.

 

[SoDakDomer]

I thought it was -3 ND as of yesterday??

I looked last night and most places had ND +2.5 to +3

 

[Whiskeyjack]

Another question…why do so many people have to make crazy, wild claims not even close to being grounded in any truth or facts, just to make their points? Why not just state your opinion without going so far over-the-top, in some cases even straight lying just to make a point? Baffles me that some people can’t just make their opinions, even if they are against the grain, without going over-the-top or even making things up.

It's not about truth, facts, or logic. They're just taking an emotional dump on the site. A lot of posters treat IE as group therapy, with no thought as to how that drags the level of discourse here down, or how inconsiderate it is to force others to try to make you feel better about NDFB.

 

[dad4aa]

close, but not top 10. composite #12 pro, with a 90 rating, and 232 national ranking (lowest rated scholarship QB on our roster)

Not sure where you get this info. This is what is in his thread:

Rankings
Rivals: 5.8 Rating, #9 QB
247: 91 Rating, #8 OH, #5 Dual QB, #193 Overall
ESPN: #6 DUAL QB
Scout: #13 QB
247 Composite: 91 Rating, #10 OH, #3 Dual QB, #2224 Overall

 

[Irish YJ]

I never really have been extremely high on ratings. I mean, I do follow them and expect a certain amount of the rating to coincide with the player once they (if they) hit the field regardless of the program the recruit goes.

But I always go back to Marcus Mariota. He was a 3-star coming out of high school. Only offered by Memphis and Oregon.

High School coaches can only do so much to 'Coach' a player. Once the player gets to the level of D1, the coaching increases dramatically plus, the system also may dictate or bring out certain qualities of a player not available or used in HS.

I honestly believe Kizer can produce. Wimbush is fit to be seen but, he too was offered by Alabama, LSU, Miami, Mich. St, Tennesse and Ohio St. So there is something there.

I'm not all about ratings either, but they are directionally correct for the most part.

Regarding Mariota, his 3 star stature was largely due to a) his location, and more importantly b) he only started his senior year and was basically an unknown out of no-where (Hawaii). He specifically is a bad example, but there are many other good examples out there.

I would love to see a package for Wimbush. He runs like a young Braxton Miller.

If not this game, I'm sure we'll see some BW packages before the end of the Clemson game. Even if DK is a stud, I just don't see BK not using 2 QBs this year.

We all know GT lost a lot on offense besides QB and OL, but what are they returning on defense?

I think Virginia has a solid defense. Anytime you have upperclassmen with a few years in the weight room, it's going to be a solid.

9 of their starters on defense were in at least their 3rd year in the college.

2015 Virginia Cavaliers Football Depth Chart | Ourlads.com

They lost a lot, but have some great RBs filling the gaps. A lot of locals think they will be better on O than last year.

D was Achilles heel last year. Let's hope it is again this year.

Wow, 247 composite has him at #2224 overall. That may be naia talent there.

232 I believe

 

[rtrn2glory]

I looked last night and most places had ND +2.5 to +3

Thanks, long day yesterday!

 

[Dizzyphil]

Week 3 Expert College Football Picks

 

[palinurus]

We all know GT lost a lot on offense besides QB and OL, but what are they returning on defense?

I think Virginia has a solid defense. Anytime you have upperclassmen with a few years in the weight room, it's going to be a solid.

9 of their starters on defense were in at least their 3rd year in the college.

2015 Virginia Cavaliers Football Depth Chart | Ourlads.com

My concern is the consistency of the Irish O-Line. I did a comparison of the O-Line vs. UVa's D-Line before last Saturday. ND's line is signficantly larger. But that did not translate into consistent domination; the Irish lost a number of short yardage battles. At the same time, during parts of the game, the O-Line DID dominate. So I guess that's a consistency issue, or maybe you guys have some other analysis.

 

[Irish YJ]

Not sure where you get this info. This is what is in his thread:

Rankings
Rivals: 5.8 Rating, #9 QB
247: 91 Rating, #8 OH, #5 Dual QB, #193 Overall
ESPN: #6 DUAL QB
Scout: #13 QB
247 Composite: 91 Rating, #10 OH, #3 Dual QB, #2224 Overall

straight from 247....
DeShone Kizer, Notre Dame, Dual-Threat Quarterback

keep in mind that although we list things in the profiles, we can't always be confident they are the latest and greatest. when in doubt, check 247's site

 

[phork]

So as you all may or may not know the betting line is initially set with obviously injuries and things taken in to account but shifts when more money is being placed on one side or the other. That could be for various reasons but as the money goes so does the line. Everyone thinks its going to be an easy GT victory so ND at -3.5 was attractive to those bettors.

The line is now GT -2.5. Oddly enough it seems (to me anyways with no significant data) that the line seems to always be pretty damn close to final result.

 

[Irish YJ]

here's the final ratings from all sites

247C - 4* / .907 / PRO #12 / 232 nationally
247 - 4* / 94 / PRO #10 / 162 nationally
Rivals - 4* / 5.8 / DT #9 / Not ranked nationally
Scout - 4* / / QB #17 / 263 nationally
ESPN - 4* / 80 / DT #16 / Not ranked nationally (12 state / 42 regional)

 

[irisheyes]

line movement has nothing to do with who is going to win a game. It has to do with where the money is going. They want equal money on both sides so that they make money. Because of injuries, GT is getting more money so to make ND more appealing they give them points so people will take them. When in doubt fade the public, they make square bets.

 

[Dizzyphil]

line movement has nothing to do with who is going to win a game. It has to do with where the money is going. They want equal money on both sides so that they make money. Because of injuries, GT is getting more money so to make ND more appealing they give them points so people will take them. When in doubt fade the public, they make square bets.

Very true. This could actually be a pick-em game but, Vegas is "betting" ND wins this at home with the lure of the GT bet. They say when a team plays at home (when closely matched with opponent), home-field gets a 3 point favor-ability. The injuries squashed that.

 

[gkIrish]

Speaking of betting lines I love BYU +17 at UCLA

 

[Irish Insanity]

Speaking of betting lines I love BYU +17 at UCLA

An we get a Vbook on this?

 

[gkIrish]

An we get a Vbook on this?

Don't look at me

 

[IrishinSTL]

Speaking of betting, does Will Fuller put up numbers like the first two games against GT?

I'm not sure since GT's secondary has some good returning talent and they will be keying in on Fuller. On the other side, it appears that Kizer and Fuller already have some good chemistry and there isn't many if any DBs that can keep up with Fuller.

 

[NDinL.A.]

Personally I fear the game will be a lot worse than GT winning by 2.5. I really fear that the offense will not be able to consistently move the ball and therefore keep our D on the field way too much. GT is a running team which suggests longer time to score versus a passing team. I dont see Kizer as a D1 qb, much less the qb as a top 10 rated team. He scored on that long pass vs Virginia because 1) it was man coverage 2) our receiver just beat the DB, was a lob pass and 3) I dont think the defense really expected much from Kizer so they didnt play heavy pass defense. I dont see Kizer as anyone that will beat you consistently with his arm and I dont see him as the threat at running like Zaire was. My only hope is that the Oline gets it together this week and decides to open some holes. The ND Oline athletes are far superior recruited athletes to GT so you would think we would run wild but after the Virginia game and their 2/3 star recruits, Im beginning to question that as well.

With GT winning TOP heavily, this can very easily turn into a nasty game. Hope Im wrong.

Okay let me ask you this one question to answer honestly:

Would Bama have any problem absolutely crushing Virginia and need a hail mary with 12 secs to go to win this year? Would OSU? MSU?

The answer should be a resounding no. So basically, ND Is no way close to being a playoff team. And for good reason. Lose your starting TB, QB, TE and DT in two games and things get tough. But it is the hand we are dealt and all teams deal with injuries. OSU had their first two qbs go down and depended on the run game with an OL less rated than NDs and they won a NC.

That is where ND should be. The fact that it isnt is 100% on BK.

C'mon Ray, come back and take your medicine. You lied about the hail Mary just to make your over-the-top point, and you lied about other top teams not struggling against lesser competition, and then you took that bullshit shot at Kizer. And then we kicked the crap out of GT when you said it wouldn't be close.

So don't hide, come out and at the very least explain why you lied lol. Go Irish.