NBA Thread

[drayer54]

1- Unarmed doesn’t mean anything. Cops don’t know and there are still several scenarios where it would easily be justified. Ferguson for example, where athletes raised their hands in protest and several investigations all cleared the police officer who was thrashed for months and is still called a murderer by Senators.

2- It’s reckless for the players to hop on these issues before investigations and results. The cops may very well get cleared in Minneapolis or Kenosha.

3- I like my sports and politics on different channels.

4- Lebron alone has turned me off from the NBA for a long time going back to his complete ignorance in his comments about people who vote differently than him and China.

5- I can live without sports, minus ND football for a long time.

 

[IrishLax]

Well, I realize that the total number of police killings of black people isn't significantly lower than it was in 2015. But it is lower. However, the number of unarmed (which seems to be the most important statistic, black people getting killed for seemingly being black) black people is down significantly from 2015 . And it's went down every year since 2018 and is on pace to do so again this year. Unarmed killings are down 18-19, and 19-20. So, the data says it's getting better. But nobody wants to talk about that. And we are showing videos in the media of the 9 victims and acting as if that is happening every day. With no regard for the fact that in 2015 that number was 38. I would agree that it needs to be better. But this is the response to a problem getting better but not better fast enough? We are either politicizing a very real problem when it shouldn't be for the sake of the election or people aren't paying attention.

Had to edit numbers. 22 unarmed black people killed in 17', 23 in 18', 14 in 19', and 9 so far in 20'.

You have people actively working against the steps that are contributing to the decline. There are actors within our local, state, and federal government -- including our President -- who have taken steps to roll back or undermine common sense reforms that evidence suggests are working to increase transparency, accountability, and encourage better policing. This isn't opinion, I'm talking factually about policy decisions.

If everyone was rowing the boat in the correct direction, you likely wouldn't be seeing these kinds of escalating protests. Is Breonna Taylor getting justice? No. What about Tamir Rice or dozens of other people executed by police under questionable circumstances with no accountability? Heck, what about white kids by my old high school who skipped out on a bill at IHOP and a cop decided to unload his clip into their car?

Again, it's casual disregard for justice and holding cops accountable that is causing these escalating protests. There are many police departments who have taken steps in the right direction with good results, there are others that have not. Overall, the picture was still grim, and in the first half of 2020 there were more police killings than at the same point in 2019.

If people want athletes to "shut up and dribble" or they want riots to stop they can start by removing all the politicians at every level that are working against police accountability. If people thought the government was acting in good faith towards progress you would not be seeing these kinds of reactions.

 

[Luckylucci]

You have people actively working against the steps that are contributing to the decline. There are actors within our local, state, and federal government -- including our President -- who have taken steps to roll back or undermine common sense reforms that evidence suggests are working to increase transparency, accountability, and encourage better policing. This isn't opinion, I'm talking factually about policy decisions.

If everyone was rowing the boat in the correct direction, you likely wouldn't be seeing these kinds of escalating protests. Is Breonna Taylor getting justice? No. What about Tamir Rice or dozens of other people executed by police under questionable circumstances with no accountability? Heck, what about white kids by my old high school who skipped out on a bill at IHOP and a cop decided to unload his clip into their car?

Again, it's casual disregard for justice and holding cops accountable that is causing these escalating protests. There are many police departments who have taken steps in the right direction with good results, there are others that have not. Overall, the picture was still grim, and in the first half of 2020 there were more police killings than at the same point in 2019.

If people want athletes to "shut up and dribble" or they want riots to stop they can start by removing all the politicians at every level that are working against police accountability. If people thought the government was acting in good faith towards progress you would not be seeing these kinds of reactions.

Again, I agree it needs to continue to get better. But, as of today, none of that has had any impact on increasing the data to where it was in 2015. Lax, respectfully you are politicizing this by saying "look what's he doing, its going to do this." And while you may have a point and in the end be right. Neither of us know that to be fact. And, it hasn't happened to those numbers in the last 2.5 years. Each individual case is tragic and should be avoidable but just because the NBA boycotts and BLM blows up car dealerships doesn't make it worse. It's a problem that is getting better. It'll be a problem with Biden as well. He was VP in 15'.

And I respectfully disagree herel. These were going to happen, note your comments below it. Hence why literally no MSM outlet talks about this data as such.

I'm not sure if that came across how you intended but it sounds like a BLM threat. Either remove these politicians that we don't like or else...

 

[IrishLax]

Again, I agree it needs to continue to get better. But, as of today, none of that has had any impact on increasing the data to where it was in 2015. Lax, respectfully you are politicizing this by saying "look what's he doing, its going to do this." And while you may have a point and in the end be right. Neither of us know that to be fact. And, it hasn't happened to those numbers in the last 2.5 years. Each individual case is tragic and should be avoidable but just because the NBA boycotts and BLM blows up car dealerships doesn't make it more than just what it is. It's a problem that is getting better. It'll be a problem with Biden as well. He was VP in 15'.

And I respectfully disagree herel. These were going to happen, note your comments below it. Hence why literally no MSM outlet talks about this data as such.

I'm not sure if that came across how you intended but it sounds like a BLM threat. Either remove these politicians that we don't like or else...

Of course its political. You have many police departments throughout this country who have taken steps in the correct direction. You have others that haven't. Why? Mainly because of the politicians that fund and run them.

You see progress in some areas and you don't see it in others. You have a President whose only initiatives on policing are rolling back common sense reforms. You don't expect people to be getting increasingly upset when they see the same things happening over and over but the people in charge are actively working against reform?

We're seeing escalating protests among athletes as well as John Q citizen and that's the result of anything other than politicians pushing bad policy, divisive rhetoric, and otherwise not giving a shit about things very important to these groups. Race relations are literally at their lowest point in this century from both the Black perspective and the White when you look at Gallup's research. That's why we've gone from one guy kneeling for the anthem -> whole teams kneeling -> boycotting games. For the general populous, it's going from marches -> riots. It's escalating because the people in charge not only aren't listening they are actively working against reform.

We aren't even doing the bare minimum right now to show these communities we care as a country. In fact, many are telling these people to "shut up and dribble" or the equivalent... how does one think they're going to respond? Less strongly?

 

[Irish#1]

I think some of you are missing the bigger picture. I don't think the players think they are going to get an open invite to DC or state legislatures to craft new policy.

But, where this makes a huge positive influence IMO, is the lesson it teaches. The only reason why that bubble existed in Orlando was money. The owners wanted the TV/media revenue, the players wanted their paycheck. By walking away, they are putting their personal convictions ahead of the money. They are showing that community is more important to them than anything else. That enacting change is up to the individuals to take into their own hands. I think it's an overwhelmingly positive lesson.

One could counter that unlike you or me who couldn't afford to tell your boss you're not working today, the players make the type of salary that allows them to do this. Yet, even though they make millions, in the end they will get paid during this. The NBA doesn't want that type of negative publicity. "NBA players walkout in support of BLM, NBA withholds pay".

Right. End all is if professional teams dont play, these leagues and every affiliates cant make money. They absolutely have power and are not just athletes. Many of these guys have their own brands and companies, are minority investors in other sports and industries and are in the public eye and can influence large swaths of people. They are not a vacation or break from reality. They are a mirror.

There are some with influence, but I wonder how many are really like George Hill? The number of players with their own brands is relatively small. So when you watch sports, you're thinking how they are impacting society and not just enjoying the game? NBA players making millions aren't even close to mirroring the rest of us. What am I missing here?

 

[Luckylucci]

Of course its political. You have many police departments throughout this country who have taken steps in the correct direction. You have others that haven't. Why? Mainly because of the politicians that fund and run them.

You see progress in some areas and you don't see it in others. You have a President whose only initiatives on policing are rolling back common sense reforms. You don't expect people to be getting increasingly upset when they see the same things happening over and over but the people in charge are actively working against reform?

We're seeing escalating protests among athletes as well as John Q citizen and that's the result of anything other than politicians pushing bad policy, divisive rhetoric, and otherwise not giving a shit about things very important to these groups. Race relations are literally at their lowest point in this century from both the Black perspective and the White when you look at Gallup's research. That's why we've gone from one guy kneeling for the anthem -> whole teams kneeling -> boycotting games. For the general populous, it's going from marches -> riots. It's escalating because the people in charge not only aren't listening they are actively working against reform.

We aren't even doing the bare minimum right now to show these communities we care as a country. In fact, many are telling these people to "shut up and dribble" or the equivalent... how does one think they're going to respond? Less strongly?

Yet the data is getting better and better. I don't really care to get too deep into these debates because I think the general/shared understanding is, it needs to continue to get better.

But, making a point using the hysterical reactions of athletes and crazed protestors to say "look, this must be bad or these people wouldn't be doing it", doesn't seem intellectually honest. The last time it was like this, was after 8 years of a black president. They are only doing it because they want a new President, that doesn't make it right or even accurate.

In that world we just give them what they want, facts be damned. To act as if everyone should just follow the lead, vote for who they tell us too, not pay attention to data, and let Lebron James lead the public around thinking cops are hunting black people is not my cup of tea. And that's putting it kindly.

90% of black homicides are by other black people. When was the last time Lebron James talked about that? Does that make it less or more important than the 3% that are killed by police? I want to remain respectful with this discourse so I'll stop here but that doesn't seem like a good litmus test.

 

[yankeehater]

Of course its political. You have many police departments throughout this country who have taken steps in the correct direction. You have others that haven't. Why? Mainly because of the politicians that fund and run them.

You see progress in some areas and you don't see it in others. You have a President whose only initiatives on policing are rolling back common sense reforms. You don't expect people to be getting increasingly upset when they see the same things happening over and over but the people in charge are actively working against reform?

We're seeing escalating protests among athletes as well as John Q citizen and that's the result of anything other than politicians pushing bad policy, divisive rhetoric, and otherwise not giving a shit about things very important to these groups. Race relations are literally at their lowest point in this century from both the Black perspective and the White when you look at Gallup's research. That's why we've gone from one guy kneeling for the anthem -> whole teams kneeling -> boycotting games. For the general populous, it's going from marches -> riots. It's escalating because the people in charge not only aren't listening they are actively working against reform.

We aren't even doing the bare minimum right now to show these communities we care as a country. In fact, many are telling these people to "shut up and dribble" or the equivalent... how does one think they're going to respond? Less strongly?

The factor you did not mention that is stopping most of these changes from happening......UNIONS! Still today they have the most influence and donate the most money to politicians.

Story from a few weeks in regards to unions in the schools. I have a buddy who is a school superintendent. The studies show kids suffer and fall behind with on line learning in every case and more so as household income declines. He put together a social distancing plan that we have seen to work (plexiglass shields, PPE, etc.) and presented split classes. 18 kids in person and 18 at home for example and then they switch so everyone gets some in person time. The union lead came in to meet with my buddy. After seeing the offer and presentation, literally said "F" the kids! "I am here to negotiate for and on behalf of the adults. Welp, everything is now remote learning again.

Disclosure...I am a fully vested union member myself.

 

[Cackalacky2.0]

There are some with influence, but I wonder how many are really like George Hill? The number of players with their own brands is relatively small. So when you watch sports, you're thinking how they are impacting society and not just enjoying the game? NBA players making millions aren't even close to mirroring the rest of us. What am I missing here?

No I dont normally sit and just watch a game. I cant because the broadcast is interrupted with commercials, political ads, and color commentary that is apart of every single game. They inject context to the experience. Maybe you dont notice and I wish I didnt. But these games arent played in a vacuum and there are always reminders on the tv during games of what is happening at that moment. My mirror comment wasnt about individuals making millions of dollars but the experience we get watching a game on tv. The broadcast is designed to "reach" its intended audience and its very efficient at that. The mirror is that if you are watching a game, you are likely being shown exactly what they want you to see, and its generally a well informed reflection of the current status quo.

Maybe this is to poetic but its what I see. No worries.

As far as influence, I mean the NBA is one of the most social media friendly and the players the most savy. Their brand is for the most part their SM presence. Its not about how much money they make hocking shoes or watches on their own specif brands, although I admit tha tis the ultimate goal. Players have the ability to help their communities as well which is also part of it.

“It is our mission to provide our members with as much value beyond the court as possible,” said Think450 president Payne Brown. “We recognise that our players have incredible reach and influence on social media, making them powerful voices in their communities and valuable additions to brands’ ongoing activations. This partnership with Opendorse means more opportunities for players to use their platforms and work with organisations that align with their core values.”

 

[IrishLax]

The factor you did not mention that is stopping most of these changes from happening......UNIONS! Still today they have the most influence and donate the most money to politicians.

This is a really good point. Reps.

 

[Irish YJ]

NBA continues ratings struggles in first weekend of playoffs
https://www.si.com/nba/cavaliers/nba-amico/televison-ratings-basketball-weekend-playoffs

This is pretty big given it's the playoffs, and the only big sport on immediately post Covid layoff. This says down 20s %, but I've seen other reports saying downs 40s%.

 

[calvegas04]

NBA continues ratings struggles in first weekend of playoffs
https://www.si.com/nba/cavaliers/nba-amico/televison-ratings-basketball-weekend-playoffs

This is pretty big given it's the playoffs, and the only big sport on immediately post Covid layoff. This says down 20s %, but I've seen other reports saying downs 40s%.

NHL ratings are up

 

[yankeehater]

NHL ratings are up

So the NHL is postponing playoff games in solidarity with the NBA who announced they are going to resume play again.

 

[sharksamardzija8345]

NBA continues ratings struggles in first weekend of playoffs
https://www.si.com/nba/cavaliers/nba-amico/televison-ratings-basketball-weekend-playoffs

This is pretty big given it's the playoffs, and the only big sport on immediately post Covid layoff. This says down 20s %, but I've seen other reports saying downs 40s%.

Does it factor in the idea they're playing games at 1p and 4p on weekdays unlike every other playoffs? They're trying to get through these games with the 3 courts they have. Once they're down to 4 teams a conference, and the games resume at normal times, I bet they'll be back to normal viewing figures.

 

[Irish YJ]

Does it factor in the idea they're playing games at 1p and 4p on weekdays unlike every other playoffs? They're trying to get through these games with the 3 courts they have. Once they're down to 4 teams a conference, and the games resume at normal times, I bet they'll be back to normal viewing figures.

The prime times games are down, so it's just not the impact to day games. This particular link was talking about weekend games (day games have always happened on the weekend). There are several other articles out there that speak to the different time slots. ESPN's broadcasts of the NBA are down 40% per one of the articles.

I'm sure they will improve as we approach the finals, but I'd bet a decent amount of money they are still well below last year. The Lakers games were one of the worsts IIRC lol.

 

[Irish#1]

No I dont normally sit and just watch a game. I cant because the broadcast is interrupted with commercials, political ads, and color commentary that is apart of every single game. They inject context to the experience. Maybe you dont notice and I wish I didnt. But these games arent played in a vacuum and there are always reminders on the tv during games of what is happening at that moment. My mirror comment wasnt about individuals making millions of dollars but the experience we get watching a game on tv. The broadcast is designed to "reach" its intended audience and its very efficient at that. The mirror is that if you are watching a game, you are likely being shown exactly what they want you to see, and its generally a well informed reflection of the current status quo.

Maybe this is to poetic but its what I see. No worries.

As far as influence, I mean the NBA is one of the most social media friendly and the players the most savy. Their brand is for the most part their SM presence. Its not about how much money they make hocking shoes or watches on their own specif brands, although I admit tha tis the ultimate goal. Players have the ability to help their communities as well which is also part of it.

Interesting to see how you view a game. Not saying it's wrong, but I can't remember the last time I watched a game and had any commercial or commentary influence me. Commercials are a time for me to hit the can or grab something to eat.

What I find sad is the fact that they had the perfect opportunity to impact the world when they went to China, yet LeBron kept his mouth shut and the NBA basically canned the GM from Houston (?) when he tweeted. All because it is about the money.

 

[Blazers46]

NBA made a bunch of TShirts and painted the court with BLM, now with ratings falling every year and being down at historical lows they threaten a boycott and from the sound of it was not very unified in any decision. They are now going to play again with no real direction or endgame to what it is they want to happen.

They are not only losing fans but they seem to be losing credibility at the same time. It’s easy to say we want justice, or we want cops to stop shooting Black people, or we want xyz but all their messaging seems to get in lost similar to a politician wanting xyz with no real direction or plan how to achieve any of it. Bringing awareness to something that’s already in the national spotlight just seems redundant but that just seems like all they have been able to accomplish. They just seem to be regurgitating the same stuff... rinse and repeat.

 

[Blazers46]

Furthermore I probably sound like one of those guys... but I think the NBA could gained more credibility at least reprimanding Harrel for his comments toward Luka Doncic. Stephen A Smith went as far as saying it was not race related because Luka is not white, rather European.

You can’t make racial comments while half the players are wearing the word equality on their backs. You can’t call someone a “white boy” and claim you want black lives to matter also when you are downgrading white people. The NBA did nothing, ESPN seemed to apologetic for Harrell almost as if he were the victim and commending him for apologizing.

I think the back and forth with Barkley and Shaq says it all. Barkley played the “What if” game with if the roles were reversed and Shaq and even Kenny Smith interjected corrected Barkley. I thought Barkley was spot on but was sensored was in a way. Barkley is lucky to still be employed in my opinion. The NBA and ESPN have collectively went all in taking a hard left. They are so invested in these incidences even though facts coming out of all the cases appear to be going against what they want. Doesn’t look Breonna Taylor will get justice. Jacob Blake story keeps looking more and more like the police won’t be charged and even the George Floyd case with the recent toxicology and other reports appear to give these officers a way out of prosecution. Imagine if social justice goes 0-3 in these cases... then what? The NBA is all in on all 3.

 

[Irish YJ]

What I find sad is the fact that they had the perfect opportunity to impact the world when they went to China, yet LeBron kept his mouth shut and the NBA basically canned the GM from Houston (?) when he tweeted. All because of money.

Yup, the NBA and Lebron lost all credibility with me at that point. They became like any other hypocritical politician to me at that point.

It was funny AF that the NBA store prohibited jersey personalization with FreeHongKong, and then reversed course when they got dunked on. The Lebron jersey burnings in Hong Kong also made me chuckle. Do as I say, not as I do..... lol

 

[Irish#1]

Of course its political. You have many police departments throughout this country who have taken steps in the correct direction. You have others that haven't. Why? Mainly because of the politicians that fund and run them.

I'm not sure I agree with this. Are there some that won't change? Most likely yes, but I think those will be more of the exception as we move forward. IMO you are not seeing massive and immediate changes across the board because some cities want to evaluate things and implement comprehensives plans/changes that should satisfy most and will stand the test of time legally. Indy has ordered body cams, but I know they are discussing other changes.

 

[Rogue219]

Angry Guy: We have to stop cancel culture!!

Same Angry Guy: I'm never watching the NBA again!!

Irony is not dead.

 

[Blazers46]

Angry Guy: We have to stop cancel culture!!

Same Angry Guy: I'm never watching the NBA again!!

Irony is not dead.

Completely different in my opinion.

I own a retail store. I have been boycotted or canceled by those with different perceived views. People age boycotted my store simply because I am white owner and they have not shopped here because a lot of people think they know me more than I know myself. Keep in mind when people come to my store I am trying to sell them dumbbells and treadmills and that the extent of our conversations and their experience in my store.

Watch an NBA game. I watch all the games I can but I struggle with all the messaging and politics they throw in my face as someone just simply trying to consume a basketball product. They seem to be selling more than just basketball. They themselves have admitted to wanting to use this platform to get their message out.

My experience watching a basketball isn’t just basketball anymore. If you disagree with the politics it’s something you obviously don’t want to hear and something you didn’t subscribe to when turning the game on. It’s like turning on CNN and watching Don Lemon try to play basketball. If I want to listen to politics I will turn it to the political show of my choice.

 

[Blazers46]

Sounds like Lebron was not well received by a lot of the players during the last few days. Lebron playing King James from what Stephan A Smith was saying on ESPN which turned off a lot of players. They seem a mess right now.

 

[Irish YJ]

Angry Guy: We have to stop cancel culture!!

Same Angry Guy: I'm never watching the NBA again!!

Irony is not dead.

I think it's very different, and much more nuanced. Personally I'm all for police reform (not defunding) and hate racism of any kind. At the same time, I prefer sports and politics on different channels, and don't subscribe to underlying themes of certain movements (while supporting the surface themes of the movements). I'm not boycotting the games, and watched every Pacer playoff game.

That said, I normally watch more of the playoffs, which frankly I've lost interest this year. I did not renew my NBA package, and likely will not unless things get back to close to normal. I also normally buy some Pacers gear once a year when I'm back in Indy for holidays, and will not this year. I typically go to a game or two when I'm back as well. While that's not an option right now, I wouldn't even if it was. And to me personally, it's as much the hypocrisy (like China), as the politics, that is turning me off.

That's not cancel culture. I'm not on SM hashtagging to boycott the NBA, or picketing outside their HQ. And I'm not angry. I am however making personal decisions for myself because the fandom and excitement has diminished. As far as views are concerned, I'm more left and center than right on most issues. At the same time, I'm not bat shit crazy blind like a lot of folks. And let's be honest, the left crazies own the cancel culture. The middle/center doesn't participate much, and the right rarely participates.

 

[drayer54]

Sounds like Lebron was not well received by a lot of the players during the last few days. Lebron playing King James from what Stephan A Smith was saying on ESPN which turned off a lot of players. They seem a mess right now.

Lebron has turned me off from the NBA almost single handedly.

You can watch it. I’m not. I like sports and I like politics. I just like them on different channels.

 

[NDVirginia19]

It's just annoying how the league acts like some self righteous moral arbiters and ESPN props them up as that way. If they had had even a bit of backbone and stood up for Daryl Morey I could maybe buy it, but they threw that dude under the fucking bus.

You can't have these ads running pretending like you're fucking heroes for sacrificing something to speak out for your social causes, but when something that comes across that *actually* hurts your bottom line you run cover for the CCP. Who do they think they're fooling?

 

[NDVirginia19]

Angry Guy: We have to stop cancel culture!!

Same Angry Guy: I'm never watching the NBA again!!

Irony is not dead.

No, cancel culture is finding some random person on the internet who has an opinion that you disagree with, then getting 1000 people to call their employer demanding that they never work again. I do not see how you think that these are the same thing. I think people who refuse to watch a sport because the players have different opinions than them are pretty immature.

But really if you are a conservative, there is almost no aspect of our popular culture that you will see people who agree with you. All you see consistently is every celebrity and pop culture icon shitting on you and everything you believe in. Most conservatives are hardened to this and can deal with it. But with the total culture war we live in, there's almost no place entertainment wise where you can live in as a conservative without being canceled or denigrated non stop. I understand why people have their breaking points, it's fucking annoying and exhausting.

 

[TorontoGold]

No, cancel culture is finding some random person on the internet who has an opinion that you disagree with, then getting 1000 people to call their employer demanding that they never work again. I do not see how you think that these are the same thing. I think people who refuse to watch a sport because the players have different opinions than them are pretty immature.

But really if you are a conservative, there is almost no aspect of our popular culture that you will see people who agree with you. All you see consistently is every celebrity and pop culture icon shitting on you and everything you believe in. Most conservatives are hardened to this and can deal with it. But with the total culture war we live in, there's almost no place entertainment wise where you can live in as a conservative without being canceled or denigrated non stop. I understand why people have their breaking points, it's fucking annoying and exhausting.

I would like introduce you to the National Hockey League, bunch of white dudes with some strong conservative values.

But the core being of "being cancelled" is losing your platform and becoming unemployable. I still hear Bill O'Reilly on XM radio adds. There's a gofundme for the 17 year old who killed two protestors. Ian Miles Cheong who has professed his appreciation for Hitler, Andy Ngo who regularly hang outs with alt right groups are still popular, hell they regularly get posted on here as trusted sources. Aside from Milo Yannapolous there's very few "conservatives" that have been cancelled.

 

[yankeehater]

Column from Jason Whitlock from a few days ago.

https://www.outkick.com/whitlock-milwaukee-bucks-black-athletes-can-no-longer-afford-to-just-do-it/

 

[yankeehater]

I would like introduce you to the National Hockey League, bunch of white dudes with some strong conservative values.

But the core being of "being cancelled" is losing your platform and becoming unemployable. I still hear Bill O'Reilly on XM radio adds. There's a gofundme for the 17 year old who killed two protestors. Ian Miles Cheong who has professed his appreciation for Hitler, Andy Ngo who regularly hang outs with alt right groups are still popular, hell they regularly get posted on here as trusted sources. Aside from Milo Yannapolous there's very few "conservatives" that have been cancelled.

Your post makes no sense. Here is one of many examples....the high school baseball coach was fired for saying Trump is our President.

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/12188789/michigan-teacher-fired-trump-president/

 

[yankeehater]

I would like introduce you to the National Hockey League, bunch of white dudes with some strong conservative values.

But the core being of "being cancelled" is losing your platform and becoming unemployable. I still hear Bill O'Reilly on XM radio adds. There's a gofundme for the 17 year old who killed two protestors. Ian Miles Cheong who has professed his appreciation for Hitler, Andy Ngo who regularly hang outs with alt right groups are still popular, hell they regularly get posted on here as trusted sources. Aside from Milo Yannapolous there's very few "conservatives" that have been cancelled.

How many times have you been warned not to fly your countries flag or voice/show support for your President for fear of your own safety? It is currently happening in the United States. I doubt care what side of the political spectrum you are on this should be frightening.