Navy Postgame

[ThePiombino]

They shouldn't give up a sack this week either

No, but probably not. Same could be said for countless teams in the past as well, and yet they did. This offense feels different. Humming out of the gate.

 

[NDFAN2008]

No, but probably not. Same could be said for countless teams in the past as well, and yet they did. This offense feels different. Humming out of the gate.

Interested to see how long starters play. Need to get the 2nd stringers tons of reps something like that can pay off against Ohio State.

 

[Reaper97]

Are they having the normal Monday press conference, or since they flew all day yesterday are they moving it?

 

[Rocketman84]

Against Navy it’s kind of hard to utilize his strengths outside or on the edge. I think we’ll see a much more exciting role for him from here on out.

Agreed because of their offensive scheme but cant wait to see them unleash him downhill

 

[IrishLion]

1. Anybody else get nervous when a games seems *too* easy? We should be basking in the ambiance of an easy, fun, nice-warmup-to-the-season-while-ramping-up-to-Ohio-State victory, and yet... it concerns me that ND's offense wasn't tested... at all... aside from their own self-inflicted wounds at times?

2. What can I say about Hartman everyone else hasn't already said? Having a QB that actually THROWS THE WIDE RECEIVERS OPEN, AND CAN THROW BEFORE THE BREAK AND BELIEVES THAT HIS WIDE RECEIVERS WILL BE WHERE THEY ARE SUPPOSED TO BE, WHEN THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO BE THERE, IS AMAZING. Such an immense weight off of the shoulders when you aren't worried about a QB that can freestyle all day like a fearless junkyard dog, but won't throw over the middle to save his own life (Book), or worried about a QB that generally refuses to make a throw unless there are 3+ yards of separation (Pyne).

3. Related to Hartman giving his WR's a chance to make plays: I wonder just how much the growth of the WR room has been stunted because of the recent QB situation? Obviously it has had an effect, but we might find out just how much these guys were missing by not being given consistent opportunities to shine. The problem might be way worse than even we, on an internet message board, believed. Being a natural athlete and highly-rated WR only goes so far. Chansi can only do so much to speed up development through recruiting and practice reps. Ultimately, producing a consistent WR room that can put fear into opposing defenses comes down to baptizing your guys by fire, and letting them learn how to be alphas. Hartman will allow those opportunities. That's exciting.

4. Hartman having a feel for going through his progression and then settling on whichever WR is sitting down in open space is going to create so many "hidden" yards that we weren't even aware of. Greathouse has already shown a chemistry with Hartman, and knows how to sit where Hartman will see him. I think Tyree will get there, too. Having two inside guys, one a physical freak and the other a speedster, that can sit in open space and then turn to make a play, will get more and more deadly as the year goes on. It's going to cause a defensive secondary like Ohio State's fits, particularly when they're worried about Thomas working them on the outside by being a physical presence with great hands, and worried about Estime doing Estime things at any given time via check-into-run-in-a-friendly-box. Let's hope the OL continues to hold up and allows Hartman plenty of time to scan the field.

5. The DL looked disruptive as hell in the few opportunities they got to pin their ears back and get after the Navy backfield. That's impressive, not because Navy's OL is any good in pass pro, but because it takes immense concentrations to stay engaged and be ready to get after the QB at a moment's notice when you've been playing dive-sweep-pitch all game. Great job by Botelho on several occasions, in particular. Excited to see what Botelho, JJB, Nana, and Burnham can do against a more traditional offense in obvious passing situations. It would be cool to see a Nascar package with all four of those guys on the DL together on 3rd-and-long.

6. The debate on Merriweather seems foolish right now. He got two chances really. One was a screen that would have been blown up anyway had he not dropped it (which is probably why he did), and the other should have been a TD. They're gonna see it on film, and Sam is gonna dial it in the next time. I'm betting money that one big play down the field is gonna be all Tobia needs to get going. Colzie scored on a smoke screen... Tobias has more juice than Colzie. He can do the same things, he just needs to settle in.

7. Estime should not have been taking handoffs from Angeli. If you think he needs a certain amount of reps/yards in the game, and you're in control of said game, get them out of the way earlier, imo. Love or Price should have been housing an extra TD in the fourth quarter on an outside run of some sort... shouldn't have been running one of the best RB's in the country into the Navy interior with 7 minutes left of a blowout.

8. Excited to see the secondary fly around against what I assume will be a more traditional offense in Tennessee State. They had a difficult task, trying to provide outside run support while staying aware of any tomfoolery that Navy might dial up, particularly since they knew Navy would have some unseen wrinkles. There were two notable busts, but I won't hold that against them. We DO need to see the safeties get tested over the next couple of weeks, though. Need some guys to settle in and get comfy ranging the back-end before OSU comes to town.

 

[pumpdog20]

I think we know see why Hartman needs a sixth year in college, he just doesn't have elite arm strength. I think the first Greathouse TD showed that, as he wasn't able to step into his throw since a Navy defender was coming for his knees.

Besides that, his accuracy is on point as I thought his out routes was something we haven't seen at ND in a long time.

 

[Green Mountains]

"7. Estime should not have been taking handoffs from Angeli. If you think he needs a certain amount of reps/yards in the game, and you're in control of said game, get them out of the way earlier, imo. Love or Price should have been housing an extra TD in the fourth quarter on an outside run of some sort... shouldn't have been running one of the best RB's in the country into the Navy interior with 7 minutes left of a blowout."

Maybe they were trying to get him is 100 yards? Keep him and Sam on a Heisman watch

 

[Irish#1]

I think we know see why Hartman needs a sixth year in college, he just doesn't have elite arm strength. I think the first Greathouse TD showed that, as he wasn't able to step into his throw since a Navy defender was coming for his knees.

Besides that, his accuracy is on point as I thought his out routes was something we haven't seen at ND in a long time.

I don't think another year is going to do much for arm strength. I agree that it appeared a little less than I expected, but he had a couple that had zip on them, so maybe he can bring it if needed?

 

[Rockin’Irish]

I read that 39K people from the USA flew to Dublin for the game setting a world record for most Americans to fly in order to attend a single international sporting event. Pretty cool stat.

 

[WilliamWallace]

1. Anybody else get nervous when a games seems *too* easy? We should be basking in the ambiance of an easy, fun, nice-warmup-to-the-season-while-ramping-up-to-Ohio-State victory, and yet... it concerns me that ND's offense wasn't tested... at all... aside from their own self-inflicted wounds at times?

2. What can I say about Hartman everyone else hasn't already said? Having a QB that actually THROWS THE WIDE RECEIVERS OPEN, AND CAN THROW BEFORE THE BREAK AND BELIEVES THAT HIS WIDE RECEIVERS WILL BE WHERE THEY ARE SUPPOSED TO BE, WHEN THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO BE THERE, IS AMAZING. Such an immense weight off of the shoulders when you aren't worried about a QB that can freestyle all day like a fearless junkyard dog, but won't throw over the middle to save his own life (Book), or worried about a QB that generally refuses to make a throw unless there are 3+ yards of separation (Pyne).

3. Related to Hartman giving his WR's a chance to make plays: I wonder just how much the growth of the WR room has been stunted because of the recent QB situation? Obviously it has had an effect, but we might find out just how much these guys were missing by not being given consistent opportunities to shine. The problem might be way worse than even we, on an internet message board, believed. Being a natural athlete and highly-rated WR only goes so far. Chansi can only do so much to speed up development through recruiting and practice reps. Ultimately, producing a consistent WR room that can put fear into opposing defenses comes down to baptizing your guys by fire, and letting them learn how to be alphas. Hartman will allow those opportunities. That's exciting.

4. Hartman having a feel for going through his progression and then settling on whichever WR is sitting down in open space is going to create so many "hidden" yards that we weren't even aware of. Greathouse has already shown a chemistry with Hartman, and knows how to sit where Hartman will see him. I think Tyree will get there, too. Having two inside guys, one a physical freak and the other a speedster, that can sit in open space and then turn to make a play, will get more and more deadly as the year goes on. It's going to cause a defensive secondary like Ohio State's fits, particularly when they're worried about Thomas working them on the outside by being a physical presence with great hands, and worried about Estime doing Estime things at any given time via check-into-run-in-a-friendly-box. Let's hope the OL continues to hold up and allows Hartman plenty of time to scan the field.

5. The DL looked disruptive as hell in the few opportunities they got to pin their ears back and get after the Navy backfield. That's impressive, not because Navy's OL is any good in pass pro, but because it takes immense concentrations to stay engaged and be ready to get after the QB at a moment's notice when you've been playing dive-sweep-pitch all game. Great job by Botelho on several occasions, in particular. Excited to see what Botelho, JJB, Nana, and Burnham can do against a more traditional offense in obvious passing situations. It would be cool to see a Nascar package with all four of those guys on the DL together on 3rd-and-long.

6. The debate on Merriweather seems foolish right now. He got two chances really. One was a screen that would have been blown up anyway had he not dropped it (which is probably why he did), and the other should have been a TD. They're gonna see it on film, and Sam is gonna dial it in the next time. I'm betting money that one big play down the field is gonna be all Tobia needs to get going. Colzie scored on a smoke screen... Tobias has more juice than Colzie. He can do the same things, he just needs to settle in.

7. Estime should not have been taking handoffs from Angeli. If you think he needs a certain amount of reps/yards in the game, and you're in control of said game, get them out of the way earlier, imo. Love or Price should have been housing an extra TD in the fourth quarter on an outside run of some sort... shouldn't have been running one of the best RB's in the country into the Navy interior with 7 minutes left of a blowout.

8. Excited to see the secondary fly around against what I assume will be a more traditional offense in Tennessee State. They had a difficult task, trying to provide outside run support while staying aware of any tomfoolery that Navy might dial up, particularly since they knew Navy would have some unseen wrinkles. There were two notable busts, but I won't hold that against them. We DO need to see the safeties get tested over the next couple of weeks, though. Need some guys to settle in and get comfy ranging the back-end before OSU comes to town.

We already have the new Aztec package, might as well add the Nascar package. I like it!

 

[WilliamWallace]

I read that 39K people from the USA flew to Dublin for the game setting a world record for most Americans to fly in order to attend a single international sporting event. Pretty cool stat.

It is cool, Hartman effect?

 

[ThePiombino]

I think we know see why Hartman needs a sixth year in college, he just doesn't have elite arm strength. I think the first Greathouse TD showed that, as he wasn't able to step into his throw since a Navy defender was coming for his knees.

Besides that, his accuracy is on point as I thought his out routes was something we haven't seen at ND in a long time.

I'm fairly certain it was so he could get a year in a pro-style offense and prove he wasn't just a system QB.

 

[stlnd01]

I don't think another year is going to do much for arm strength. I agree that it appeared a little less than I expected, but he had a couple that had zip on them, so maybe he can bring it if needed?

I'm not really making this comparison, but I too was a little underwhelmed by his arm strength on Saturday until I remembered that neither of the two best QBs in NFL history - Montana and Brady - had what anyone would consider elite arm strength either.

 

[IRISHDODGER]

 

[Huntr]

 

[IRISHDODGER]

 

[FWIrish4]

I read that 39K people from the USA flew to Dublin for the game setting a world record for most Americans to fly in order to attend a single international sporting event. Pretty cool stat.

It definitely felt like it. ND fans were everywhere you looked and was a blast. Airport this morning was 99% Irish fans.

 

[dublinirish]

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[ndbroski]

I think we know see why Hartman needs a sixth year in college, he just doesn't have elite arm strength. I think the first Greathouse TD showed that, as he wasn't able to step into his throw since a Navy defender was coming for his knees.

Besides that, his accuracy is on point as I thought his out routes was something we haven't seen at ND in a long time.

Anyone else think the first Greathouse TD was NOT an underthrow? Greathouse didn't break stride, he barely just slowed down and changed direction ever so slightly. Ball landed right in the breadbasket. As you noted, Hartman couldn't step into the throw at all.

If the same play happened against a better defense, it would still be a touchdown.

That's about as accurate a throw as you could ask for given the situation. I don't think Hartman was straining to put some power into the throw.

 

[DONTH8]

Anyone else think the first Greathouse TD was NOT an underthrow? Greathouse didn't break stride, he barely just slowed down and changed direction ever so slightly. Ball landed right in the breadbasket. As you noted, Hartman couldn't step into the throw at all.

If the same play happened against a better defense, it would still be a touchdown.

That's about as accurate a throw as you could ask for given the situation. I don't think Hartman was straining to put some power into the throw.

Definitely a good throw. Maybe a little "off-line" in that Greathouse made a great adjustment from a straight line to adjust slightly to the path of the ball. But I wouldn't think of it as an underthrow either.

 

[IRISHDODGER]

 

[ulukinatme]

Props to Chris "Fink-ie"
Apparently I was saying it wrong all those years, but the Louisville announcer corrected me, and now I have to say it that way.