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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">On to the next chapter. Committed. <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/AllGasNoBrakes?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#AllGasNoBrakes</a> <a href="https://t.co/VKNuApsmcW">pic.twitter.com/VKNuApsmcW</a></p>— Maalik (@SmvOperator) <a href="https://twitter.com/SmvOperator/status/1360704578606440453?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 13, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Five star QB who has never started a HS game. His ranking is all from camps. Crazy stuff
 

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Ty Simpson committed to Alabama. Last minute (publicly) swoop in
 

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stings for clemson i bet

Idk if me personally wouldn’t have taken Cade Klubnik from the beginning. Offered instantly after Simpson’s commitment and sounds like near lock for Clemson

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ND still won’t be a factor but talk that Mizzou might get a decommitment or even flip out of 5 Star OU commit and WR Luther Burden. They got him on campus today.
 

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With visits opening up for the first time in almost 18 months, many expected an explosion of commitments in college football recruiting in the month of June. After all, June is typically a big month for commitments. In the 2019 class, 597 players committed in June alone. In the 2020 class, 676 players did so.

But halfway through the month of June, only 93 members of the class of 2022 have made commitments. To be fair, that pace has picked up quite a bit over the first week, in which only 34 of those 93 commitments occurred. Even if the increased pace of the last week continues, the class of 2022 will have fewer than half of the number of commitments in June compared to a normal cycle.

Still, the class of 2022 is way behind pace. There are several reasons for this.
 

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Notre Dame Closing in on Blue Chip Recruting Gap
Bud Elliott’s annual Blue-Chip ratio piece is always a must-read. BCR, the percentage of composite 4 and 5-star recruits a team has recruited over the previous four cycles, is imperfect because of injuries, transfers, and other factors, but it can’t be denied that it gives a picture of who can and cannot legitimately contend in college football.

It’s no surprise that Alabama continues to recruit at the highest level. They lead the way with 84% of the recruits they have signed having a blue-chip designation. Having Alabama, Georgia (80%), Ohio State (79%), and Clemson (67%) as the top-four in BCR is predictable to say the least.

I know, that percentage Clemson for Clemson feels lows, but consider that they have turned it up a notch in the last couple of years. They have a BCR of 80% in the most recent two cycles so they are right there with those three other programs.

Notre Dame is one of 16 teams with a BCR over 50% (55). They play no one this season who has signed more blue-chips than them, including USC (53%).

That’s good and certainly bodes well for the Irish in 2021 when you consider the recent track record of development. The bad is that the difference between them and the top-four is drastic. Every program is going to be deficient when it comes to raw talent compared to those teams. That doesn’t mean Notre Dame should shrug their shoulders and accept that that’s the reality.

They haven’t done that and out of the 14 commitments in the 2022 class, 10 of them are blue-chips (71.4%). I think it’s more than fair to say that they will keep it close to that ratio as they fill out the rest of the class. That’s not Alabama level and there aren’t likely to be multiple 5-stars included in that, but it’s definitely closing the gap.

The staff has only signed over a 70% BCR once in the last four cycles (2019). Before that one would have to go back to 2014 for when they last last signed over 70% in a class.

The kind of class the Notre Dame staff is working on has to become the norm. Coaching and development can close some of the talent gap, but not enough if the opponent is recruiting blue-chips at a rate 25% higher than them.

80% over a four year span might be too ambitious. Over 70% is realistic as proven with this cycle. If they start stacking classes like this on top of one another, then scheduling so aggressively suddenly doesn’t seem as crazy as it might look today.

2. I think most fans are aware of the recruiting challenges Notre Dame has compared to teams who have more of a regional base to start with. This article from Max Olson of The Athletic ($) makes it obvious what the Irish are up against.

They are fourth in top-100 recruits signed from out of state and that’s not surprising at all. They have always recruited nationally and even during lean times on the field, they can attract good talent from anywhere in the United States.

They signed 34 top-100 recruits over the last decade who weren’t from Indiana. LSU was fifth on the list with 31 and Georgia was sixth with 29. Those two programs have the advantage of much better prospects from their state, though.

Indiana had one top-100 recruit in the 2021 cycle. That was Blake Fisher and he ended up at Notre Dame. Louisiana had four and all of them signed with LSU. Georgia had 11. Seven of them signed with the Bulldogs.

Notre Dame’s only solution is to recruit better nationally because Indiana is never going to be able to match those states for homegrown talent.

3. As of today, only three of the projected 22 starters on offense and defense are in their first or second year of college football. For a program that has practiced and preached development, that’s a good thing.

Last year’s squad had two to start the season (Kyren Williams and Kyle Hamilton). 2019 had two (Lawrence Keys and Jarrett Patterson). 2018 had one (Robert Hainsey). 2017 had four (Tommy Kraemer, Julian Love, Daelin Hayes, and Jalen Elliott).

Obviously there is a lot more to it than how many first or second year players start, but this current roster feels closer to the 2017 one than those other three when looking at them in totality. In other words, they’re probably built more to make a run the next season, but not in a place where they won’t have older players carrying much of the load to have success this fall.

4. In going back and researching how Tommy Rees used his backs in the passing game, I noticed that Notre Dame’s backs stayed in to block more than others.

Williams was 120th in percentage of passing plays he ran a route. He stayed in to protect 39% of the time. Chris Tyree stayed in 46.1% of the time.

Both players also struggled in blitz pickup when it came to giving up pressures. Williams gave up more than any back in the country. That Clemson game where stories were written about his blitz pickup was an exception to his overall blocking. Tyree definitely struggled with that part of the game as a true freshman as well.

Both should be better blocking this season, but the point remains that they need to be more involved in the passing game. I think they will and Rees recognized that in the Alabama game where Williams ran a route on 78.8% of passing plays. That rate seems more appropriate for him and Tyree.

North Carolina’s two backs, both very productive as receivers, ran routes on 69.5% and 77.5% of passing plays respectively. Najee Harris ran a route on 83.9% of passing plays for Alabama last season. Travis Etienne was at 77.2%.

The player I think Williams is most comparable to both as a runner and receiver is former LSU running back Clyde Edwards-Helaire. He ran a route on 88.5% of passing plays in 2019. That might be pushing it for Williams this season, but closer to 70% or above seems like what we should be seeing from him as a receiver in 2021.

5. I have no idea about the strength of Amorion Walker‍’s commitment to Notre Dame and I’m not even going to speculate on that.

I do know that if Notre Dame didn’t believe in his talent and the potential they saw in him, they would have cancelled his official visit and moved on to other targets. They clearly saw something in him that other prominent programs have now seen after he competed at camp.

When a commitment is flirting with other schools, it’s easy to say “good luck” and then move on. Some guys are worth trying to do everything to keep committed and some aren’t. It’s obvious how Notre Dame views Walker, who just received an invite to compete in the Under Armour All-American game despite currently being the lowest ranked member of this Irish recruiting class.

Whether some people like it or not, the rules change for commits visiting other schools depending on the prospect. Notre Dame’s reaction says a lot not just about how they view Walker’s potential, but also the need they have at the wide receiver position in this class.

6. Virginia Tech, North Carolina, and Virginia all have open weeks before they play Notre Dame this season. This has become an annual issue for the Irish versus their ACC opponents. The conference is doing everything in their power to give teams an advantage against Notre Dame.

Too bad it hasn’t helped much recently. ACC teams not named Clemson are 1-23 against Notre Dame in the last four seasons.

That record means that the ACC is only going to continue to try and give their own teams every advantage possible. On the other end of the spectrum, I’m not sure I see a scenario where Notre Dame will have the leverage to stop them from doing so year after year.

Is there another program in the country who has to play more teams who have an open week before their game than Notre Dame? I’m genuinely curious to know.

These open weeks haven’t bitten the Irish yet and maybe they never will if the ACC doesn’t improve as a whole. It doesn’t make things any easier for Notre Dame with how they schedule, though. It’s one reason why Brian Kelly and his staff probably deserve even more credit for their record against the ACC.
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great article - thanks for posting.

Point #6 there is just crazy to me in a couple ways. Independence has its price and we pay it regularly. But 1-23 vs ACC (sans clemson) is wildly successful considering the number of times those games are post opponent bye weeks.
 

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With the impending decisions on NIL, where does ND stand with the July 1 deadline? I assume these conversations are being had with recruits during visits. I’m curious how many recruits are holding off on pledges until they know where they can benefit. I know Swarbrick is an advocate but will ND/Indiana be one of the first if theres no federal mandate. This would be a huge recruiting advantage to states that offer it earlier than others. It could affect ND as soon as this recruiting cycle. Not to mention the possibility of transfers.
 

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With the impending decisions on NIL, where does ND stand with the July 1 deadline? I assume these conversations are being had with recruits during visits. I’m curious how many recruits are holding off on pledges until they know where they can benefit. I know Swarbrick is an advocate but will ND/Indiana be one of the first if theres no federal mandate. This would be a huge recruiting advantage to states that offer it earlier than others. It could affect ND as soon as this recruiting cycle. Not to mention the possibility of transfers.

There is a thread in the recruitng forum for this topic if you wish to check it out.
 

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It seems real bad. Like real bad. Hate to find out Herm was involved.

The downside of bringing on NFL guys to run your college program is they just don't care. Maybe Herm did but he brought a lot of NFL dudes along.

If they're trying to advance their careers they would happily trade leaving the program as a smoldering crater if it means enough on-field success to get back to the league.
 

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Need some input from you guys that follow recruiting much closer than me. Is this good? I thought there were posts in some other threads that are hoping/expecting this to be a top 5 class and not a top 10-12. I am excited about the class but thought it would rank higher than 9th with everyone we are looking at adding. Appreciate some input.
 

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I think if we get those players and say one more average four star and that class only has us in the 8-10 range then top 5 under the current grading system may be unachievable and also potentially meaningless because that would be an awesome class and all we can hope for
 

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That calculation doesn't take into consideration movement on current players' ratings. I expect many more high-risers than fallers.
 

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Need some input from you guys that follow recruiting much closer than me. Is this good? I thought there were posts in some other threads that are hoping/expecting this to be a top 5 class and not a top 10-12. I am excited about the class but thought it would rank higher than 9th with everyone we are looking at adding. Appreciate some input.

I think you always have to allow for a current obvious top 4 of Bama, Ohio State, Clemson and Oklahoma every year. So then you need to be the next best to them to be top 5. That is hard when you have Texas, USC, Florida, Georgia and so on. If ND gets better classes than 2 of those 4 most years we would be laughing. I bet 5 through 10 are all pretty close most years.
 

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I think if we get those players and say one more average four star and that class only has us in the 8-10 range then top 5 under the current grading system may be unachievable and also potentially meaningless because that would be an awesome class and all we can hope for

We're currently #12 on 247 for average recruit rating so Top 5 seems like too far a leap this year.

I've no deep knowledge here but one thought I've had on this subject is that it takes a few years to build the relationships with the recruit, families and schools. So, accepting that current staff and org is better at recruiting than we've had in a while, it might be 2024 before we see what the payoff truly will be.

Even then, impact of better recruiting chops will be mitigated by real life factors such as coaching changes, movement at other schools, NIL-impact, etc.

So, yeah, 6-10 annually would be great. It's the years we finish 12-15 (or worse, Ty) that hurt us!

All that said, hoping 2023 will be unique year for reasons already discussed and get us Top 5 anyway.
 

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I think you always have to allow for a current obvious top 4 of Bama, Ohio State, Clemson and Oklahoma every year. So then you need to be the next best to them to be top 5. That is hard when you have Texas, USC, Florida, Georgia and so on. If ND gets better classes than 2 of those 4 most years we would be laughing. I bet 5 through 10 are all pretty close most years.

Good point. I just don't believe it is realistic to expect a top 5 ranking for ND given that list of competitors. Ranking top ten would be an accomplishment.
 

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Need some input from you guys that follow recruiting much closer than me. Is this good? I thought there were posts in some other threads that are hoping/expecting this to be a top 5 class and not a top 10-12. I am excited about the class but thought it would rank higher than 9th with everyone we are looking at adding. Appreciate some input.

Its kind of subjective and can change but I have maitained we will be at 8-12 this year even with the Freeman Factor. That Team score is about right for the ranking though it depneds on the year. For refernce Bama will end up 310-330, Clemson, OSU, UGA will be in the low 300s and several other teams will be in the 280s -290s. I dont see us getting into the Top 5this year. 23 maybe depending on class size. We will need to start signing multiple 5 stars to get into the Top 5 in any year and that rarely happens.

Good thing is that ND tends to get way more bang for its buck (signed highly undervalued recruits) relative to its higher ranked peers (UGA, Texas, Florida, TA&M)
 
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Its kind of subjective and can change but I have maitained we will be at 8-12 this year even with the Freeman Factor. That Team score is about right for the ranking though it depneds on the year. For refernce Bama will end up 310-330, Clemson, OSU, UGA will be in the low 300s and several other teams will be in the 280s -290s. I dont see us getting into the Top 5this year. 23 maybe depending on class size. We will need to start signing multiple 5 stars to get into the Top 5 in any year and that rarely happens.

Good thing is that ND tends to get way more bang for its buck (signed highly undervalued recruits) relative to its higher ranked peers (UGA, Texas, Florida, TA&M)

All of this. To climb into top 5 you need multiple 5* and that's really all their is to it. I think we could hit 6/7 if we land right guys and get some appropriate ratings bumps but that's likely the peak.


And I'm certainly not trying to put 6/7 in a negative tone. If that becomes the new standard, ND is gonna be just fine.
 

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I never get too worked up about these events good or bad but I’d be lying if I said I wasn’t a little frustrated that we didn’t even offer most of these guys. If you offer, recruit, and miss. I’ll be pretty reasonable in my criticism. You don’t even offer, then it starts to get harder to justify.

The two we did offer were ridiculously late. In Klubnick’s case, Rees held multiple virtual meetings with him over the span of multiple weeks but ultimately never offered. He just went on to beat Quinn Ewers and win the Texas 6A State Championship. Commit to Clemson. Then win the Elite 11. Maybe Rees needs to take a step back from his virtual or in-person chalk board lessons/classes/tests he puts these guys through. And, now as a group they’re headed to Clemson, Bama, OSU, LSU, PSU, A&M, Florida, etc.

Maybe ND had no shot at Klubnick, Howard, or Evers but a lot of people didn’t think ND had a shot with Brenan Vernon. You gotta get in the game to find out. Now, it’s July 4th and we still don’t have any new 2023 QB offers.
 
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While on the topic of QBs. Just found this interesting, never seen this name. Got offers to think ND coulda been an option academically. Initial look type of guy if you add a couple inches would have had a bigger recruitment
 

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