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Sherm Sticky
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Great job Henderson 
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Great job Henderson
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Pittsburgh's offense is terrible. All we need to do is load the box and they're done. They can't do a thing.
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Remember in the beginning of the year when I said this very thing and that Dion Lewis was a product of playing weak defenses and wasn't that special? Well I did... and Pitt proves me more right every week.
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Jacory Harris is straight garbage..
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Pitt doesn't scare me very much right now. I wish we played them this week and not Stanford.
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Agreed. Pitt seems highly overestimated.
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If you guys were wondering why their freshman DB Jeff Knox was kicked off the team, here's why:
Pitt player dismissed after allegedly assaulting woman
Apparently choke slamming a girl is sufficient to get kicked off the team, but a DUI, striking a pedestrian, and fleeing the scene of a crime is still okay.
Pitt player dismissed after allegedly assaulting woman
Apparently choke slamming a girl is sufficient to get kicked off the team, but a DUI, striking a pedestrian, and fleeing the scene of a crime is still okay.
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Thank God I picked the Pitt game to attend this year.
Can you hear that? It's a sigh of relief.
Can you hear that? It's a sigh of relief.
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They were talking about Jacory Harris on the game broadcast and saying how he had 4 ints against OSU but he is still a good QB. Even if had had 2 more last night...
I'm like.. 6 INTs in 2 games? Doesn't seem like he is trending to the good side...
I'm like.. 6 INTs in 2 games? Doesn't seem like he is trending to the good side...
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1) jacory harris is terrible. terrible.
2) their defense is faaaaaaaaast
3) they still play dumb football
4) pitt's D isn't bad but their O line sucks, their qb is a nonfactor, they have trouble getting the ball to baldwin, and teams put 8 or 9 in the box to stop lewis. he's only averaging 50 yards per game this year.
my first ever trip to ND is in 2 weeks vs pitt. if they lose to that pitt team I watched on tv last night, it's going to be a depressing 10 hour ride home
2) their defense is faaaaaaaaast
3) they still play dumb football
4) pitt's D isn't bad but their O line sucks, their qb is a nonfactor, they have trouble getting the ball to baldwin, and teams put 8 or 9 in the box to stop lewis. he's only averaging 50 yards per game this year.
my first ever trip to ND is in 2 weeks vs pitt. if they lose to that pitt team I watched on tv last night, it's going to be a depressing 10 hour ride home
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I still remember last year all the Clausen-hate in the media had ppl like Mark May saying how much better Jacory Harris was than JC. I thought it was laughable last year; it was either Clausen-hate, or just plain ignorance
Jacory in 2 games has more picks then JC did his entire junior year.
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How does Pitt as a team prove that Dion Lewis is overrated? Lewis is still a very solid running back and last year was not a fluke. Backs can have fluke games against bad teams, but 1,799 yards as a freshman is not a fluke. When you have a first year starter (Pittsburgh) that struggles, and defenses can put 8-9 guys in the box, and running back is going to struggle. Until Tino puts pressure on the defense and makes them respect the pass, Dion's numbers will be off. But to say Lewis is overrated or that he only runs well against bad defenses' is not true.
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Are you serious? By your logic... if the player does well, it is all him. If the player does bad, it is the team's fault.
Is Lewis "very solid?" Yes, I've said that from the very beginning. Was he completely overrated? YES! Rivals had him as their #4 overall player in the country... and if you haven't been paying attention not only did Graham have more yards per carry last year but this year he is straight up outperforming Lewis.
You're correct... his 1,799 yards were not a fluke. They were the product of having good speed while playing terrible rushing defenses with a great OL blocking for him. I'm not saying he isn't good (or as you put it "very solid") but are you going to seriously tell me that being ranked the #4 overall player in the country by Rivals and put as a top 5 Heisman candidate wasn't overrated? Come on...
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If a player rushes for 1,799 yards as a freshman then they will make the pre-season Heisman watch everytime. If your saying he is overrated because he was on the pre-season Heisman Watch the that is ridiculous. Rivals putting him as the #4 player in the country is nothing more than a prediction, as is pre-season anything. They go off of last years performances for pre-season rankings, Heisman hopefuls, and just about everything else pre-season.
Nowhere in my logic would you find "if a player does well, its all him, and if a player does bad, its the teams fault." Please show me where I said that. To say that the only reason Lewis ran for 1,799 yards was because of his OL and weak defenses is also not true. Pittsbugh could stick you in the "i" behind their line last year, against ANY defense and your not rushing for 1,799. Lewis' decline in overall stats has a lot to do with his TEAMS performance. What makes most great running backs good? A solid offensive line and an adequate passing game. I say most because Barry Sanders did it with neither. Last year Pittsbugh had both and Lewis was able to be a PIECE of Pittsburgh's offense, not the ONLY feature. That's the case with ANY running back. Its nearly impossible to run with any efficiency when teams are able to stack 9 guys in the box. You have to have more than "good speed" to rush for 1,799 yards. You have to be able to read your blocks and use your vision to make your reads. You have to be athletic enough to make guys miss, and take the run to the next level.
Pittsburgh went 10-3 last year. Dion Lewis averaged more yards (148) in his teams losses, than his teams victories (135). You act like he just beat up on terrible teams all year.
Nowhere in my logic would you find "if a player does well, its all him, and if a player does bad, its the teams fault." Please show me where I said that. To say that the only reason Lewis ran for 1,799 yards was because of his OL and weak defenses is also not true. Pittsbugh could stick you in the "i" behind their line last year, against ANY defense and your not rushing for 1,799. Lewis' decline in overall stats has a lot to do with his TEAMS performance. What makes most great running backs good? A solid offensive line and an adequate passing game. I say most because Barry Sanders did it with neither. Last year Pittsbugh had both and Lewis was able to be a PIECE of Pittsburgh's offense, not the ONLY feature. That's the case with ANY running back. Its nearly impossible to run with any efficiency when teams are able to stack 9 guys in the box. You have to have more than "good speed" to rush for 1,799 yards. You have to be able to read your blocks and use your vision to make your reads. You have to be athletic enough to make guys miss, and take the run to the next level.
Pittsburgh went 10-3 last year. Dion Lewis averaged more yards (148) in his teams losses, than his teams victories (135). You act like he just beat up on terrible teams all year.
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I dunno... I run a FAT sub 4.5... but I doubt I could take a hit from a LB and stand back up.
Kidding aside, you're completely missing the point. The definition of overrated (per Webster's Dictionary):
to rate or appraise too highly; overestimate
I'm assuming I don't need to define "rate" or "appraise" but when someone does a pre-season poll or ranking that is a rating/projection/appraisal of their talent. So when I say "he is overrated" I mean precisely that he is not as good as experts (and many people on this board) rated/projected/appraised him to be.
If you still think he is an All-World running back and not just "very good" I suggest you get on the phone with Dave Wannstedt because he is clearly splitting touches between him and Graham now... and Graham is out performing him touch for touch.
Other points:
1) I completely disagree with "Its nearly impossible to run with any efficiency when teams are able to stack 9 guys in the box." You give the Barry Sanders example... but I raise you the New York Jets last year, the Miami Dolphins last year, Denard Robinson this year, etc. There are many, many examples of teams who run the ball very effectively against a loaded box without a good passing game.
2) While I might not have been able to run for 1,800 yards last year... I bet someone like Armando Allen would've come pretty close.
3) Your stat about Lewis' stats in their losses is seriously flawed consider their 3 losses were to: NC State, WVU and Cinci... all of those teams had porous, undersized rush defenses. NC State was ranked 91st and WVU/Cinci, despite OK statistical ranks, obviously lacked rushing defense based on their big game performances.
If you still disagree with me... that's your prerogative but there isn't much more I can do to make the case that his #4 ranking and Heisman hopeful status were overratings. I'm off to Chicago now for the game this weekend. Go Irish, beat Cardinal!