Meyer to Notre Dame

[BGIF]

Randy Moss was commited to Notre Dame.

Randy Moss should have been committed.


jason, read both paragraph's sureal posted. They go together.

I believe he was pointing out how to phrase an argument properly. Something most of us could improve upon. Randy Moss was an EXample he cited to demonstrate.

 

[BGIF]

Florida wasn't a bad team. Zook was always a good recruiter. The reason Meyer chose Florida was because he saw the mess the Irish roster was behind the great 2002 recruitng class. He did not want to have to rebuild a program.

Sigh.

ND's roster was one of MANY considerations in evaluating the offers.

He rebuilt programs at both BG and UT that were in the crapper. UF had more depth than ND but whether he chose ND or UF he still had a team with low morale and an incendiary fan base. Either situation was a formidable challenge. One had lots of advantages, including $$$$, a stable Administration (where is Dr White?), and a happy wife.

 

[BGIF]

On Monday Finebaum was asked if there was any substance to the story as Spurrier was reported to have called Meyer over the weekend to apologize. "Yes, it will happen."


This report of the Paul Finebuam radio show neither endorses nor promotes the hotest college coach in Divsion 1 coming to South Bend.

But let's be candid shouldn't an Athletic Director prepare a list of potential replacements should his grossly overweight, nearly died from that weight problem, walking myocardial infraction bound football coach get run over by a truck while chugging along in his golf cart? Isn't contigency planning part of the AD's job?

Particularly as no coach, including younger and healthier men has lasted more than 13 years on trhis job. Only one made it past 11 seasons there. It's a KILLER!

Basic Criteria
Divison 1 experience - Check
Head Coaching experience - Check
Solid Recruiter - Check
Understands Importance of ND's academic requirements - Check
Understands Importance of ND's student code of conduct - Check
Familiar with Midwest weather - Check
Winning Record wherever he's coached - Check
Has Won the Big One - Check
Can Get to The Big One - Check
Know How To Put An Opponent Away - Check
Develops Players - Check
Develops Coaching Staff - Check
Hasn't lost to a 2-8 team with a fired coach - Check

 

[TDHeysus]

..But let's be candid shouldn't an Athletic Director prepare a list of potential replacements should his grossly overweight, nearly died from that weight problem, walking myocardial infraction bound football coach get run over by a truck while chugging along in his golf cart?...

This classless statement alone tells me the hack that wrote this is biased, and any opinion of theirs should discarded as so. Do you align yourself with that statement?

As much as I dislike USC-types on the radio, they dont personally attack ppl at ND. I've never heard Petros say anything about Weis on a personal level. He has definitely lobbied for him to be fired, and his disdain for Weis is quite obvious, but he has never crossed the line and made it a personal attack.

Making fun of someones weight is the same as using an racial epitaph. its a biased opinion on someone, based on appearance. Maybe your OK with that........So say/joke what you want amongst your friends, but in a public forum, or website, or online article, its bush league. (and I'm being nice, when I say bush league, lots of other monikers I could have used)

if your argument has substance, you wont resort to personal attacks. It is my theory that ppl resort to personal attacks when they have no ammo for the point of view.

I'm sure glad that UM is familiar with Midwest weather......that was one of the top priorities for a ND coach. Thats prolly why Ty was not successful, not familiar with the weather....

 

[Echo Insanity]

Making fun of someones weight is the same as using an racial epitaph. its a biased opinion on someone, based on appearance.
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thats not entirely true. i wouldnt make fun of someones weight or ethnicity, but the two are not the same. while genetics and physical disabilities do play a role in obesity, so do diet and exercise. a good number of obese people, including ones with naturally large builds, got that way because they neglected to take care of themselves. these people warrant constructive criticism in the same way smokers and alcoholics do. ethnicity, on the other hand, is completely out of the realm of someones control.

 

[TDHeysus]

Basic Criteria

Divison 1 experience - Check (Weis - check)
Head Coaching experience - Check (Weis - check)
Solid Recruiter - Check (Weis - check)
Understands Importance of ND's academic requirements - Check (Weis - check)
Understands Importance of ND's student code of conduct - Check (Weis - check)
Familiar with Midwest weather - (ROFL - hilairious)
Winning Record wherever he's coached - (3 super bowls, building a program from NOTHING at ND)
Has Won the Big One - (3 super bowls - check)
Can Get to The Big One - (3 super bowls - check)
Know How To Put An Opponent Away*
Develops Players - (took T.Brady from 6th round pick to greatest QB in game today, under weis BQ TD to INT ratio was 69-18)
Develops Coaching Staff - (well, ND coaches under him have been good enough to get other jobs - check) (other examples, Corwin Brown)
Hasn't lost to a 2-8 team with a fired coach**
here is one I added:
Has built a program from the ground up - (Weis Check)

So your saying because Weis lost to syracuse**, and North Carolina* (had a double digit lead in that game and lost) you would rather have UM? Does UM's knowledge of the midwest weather put him over the top?

Not only has UM not EVER built a program, but he has a curious coaching cycle. Hired by BG in 2001, Left for Utah in 2003, Left for FLA in 2005. He is now 2 years past due, of course he is going to start wanting to go elsewhere. He is getting antsy.

UM has made a career of sliding into program on the cusp of winning and reaped the benefits. he has been doing it since at least 2001, and now he wants ND to fill out his resume.

ND is above that guy

 

[TDHeysus]

thats not entirely true. i wouldnt make fun of someones weight or ethnicity, but the two are not the same. while genetics and physical disabilities do play a role in obesity, so do diet and exercise. a good number of obese people, including ones with naturally large builds, got that way because they neglected to take care of themselves. these people warrant constructive criticism in the same way smokers and alcoholics do. ethnicity, on the other hand, is completely out of the realm of someones control.

You are seperating the flyshit from the pepper. In my book, its wrong. You might joke amongst your friends, and thats fine. But in a public forum, a professional(im talking a someone in the media) will not attack someone on an appearance level. A professional will not go after someone a personal level either.

example:
What if Jon Gruden says during his first on-air MNF statement:
"Thank goodness they blew out that balding, gay tony kornheiser. Now, with that old, fatass Madden retiring, we are going to take this to new heights! back to you Mike Tirico"

When asked about it after the broadcast, Gruden says, "it was just constructive criticism. I mean, they werent born that way, madden got fat because he neglected to take care of himself"

it would be highly inappropriate to say the least.

 

[NDinL.A.]

So your saying because Weis lost to syracuse**, and North Carolina* (had a double digit lead in that game and lost) you would rather have UM? Does UM's knowledge of the midwest weather put him over the top?

Not only has UM not EVER built a program, but he has a curious coaching cycle. Hired by BG in 2001, Left for Utah in 2003, Left for FLA in 2005. He is now 2 years past due, of course he is going to start wanting to go elsewhere. He is getting antsy.

UM has made a career of sliding into program on the cusp of winning and reaped the benefits. he has been doing it since at least 2001, and now he wants ND to fill out his resume.

ND is above that guy

TDHeysus, you're fighting a losing battle bro. Some of the stuff you are saying is true, but a lot of it simply isn't.

* Meyer can flat out coach. Period. Say what you want about the guy's personality, but to say that there's no proof of him being a good coach is really ignorant. What more do you want from the guy? Turned Bowling Green completely around, then turned Utah into a nationally-recognized program, and now has 2 NC's at FL. You don't do that if you can't coach. It's like saying Bill Bilicheck can't coach because he had Tom Brady. You have no argument here.

* Meyer's career arc, as far as leaving smaller programs to go to bigger ones, is very normal. You can't rip a guy for that. He basically got promoted each time. Yes, he left players behind, but those same players would leave him in a heartbeat to get their promotion (NFL). Look at Ben Howland's career arc. EXACT same thing. Now that he landed his dream job, he's at UCLA to stay.

So your saying because Weis lost to syracuse**, and North Carolina* (had a double digit lead in that game and lost) you would rather have UM?

* Ummmm, yup. And listen, I'm a huge CW guy and I've backed him soooo much, but facts are facts. At this point, Meyer has proven to be a better college coach. There's no contest. Can CW turn it around? I think so, and you can look at the archives and see that I've been saying it, despite the fact that many on here were calling for his head (with reason, I might add). I'm staying loyal to CW, but if he falters this year, even he'll admit he should be fired.

* Now, one thing other coaches will agree with you is that he's not well-liked in the coaching community. He's a dirty recruiter (h.s. coaches tell me this is a well-known fact), and he can be a major-league prick. If you want to base your argument on that, then you are within reason. But to base it on his coaching ability, or your perceived lack-there-of, is just wrong...

 

[Echo Insanity]

You are seperating the flyshit from the pepper. In my book, its wrong. You might joke amongst your friends, and thats fine. But in a public forum, a professional(im talking a someone in the media) will not attack someone on an appearance level. A professional will not go after someone a personal level either.

example:
What if Jon Gruden says during his first on-air MNF statement:
"Thank goodness they blew out that balding, gay tony kornheiser. Now, with that old, fatass Madden retiring, we are going to take this to new heights! back to you Mike Tirico"

When asked about it after the broadcast, Gruden says, "it was just constructive criticism. I mean, they werent born that way, madden got fat because he neglected to take care of himself"

it would be highly inappropriate to say the least.

we are misunderstanding eachother. im not deeming what was written about weis appropriate. my sole disagreement was with your equation of obesity to race. i just have a fundamental disagreement with people conflating things about themselves in which they can control with those they cant. overeating and lack of exercise are not the same as the color of ones skin or the shape of ones eyes.

 

[leahy's lads]

This is bologna!

LOL!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[IrishAddiction]

This arguement is so pointless right now. CW is the coach for at least this season, hope the team and staff kick ass this year. If they dont live up to the expectations, a change will come, and the Meyer arguement will start up again then. Until then, hopefully it doesnt happen, im personally not posting in this again.

 

[ACamp1900]

This classless statement alone tells me the hack that wrote this is biased, and any opinion of theirs should discarded as so. Do you align yourself with that statement?

As much as I dislike USC-types on the radio, they dont personally attack ppl at ND. I've never heard Petros say anything about Weis on a personal level. He has definitely lobbied for him to be fired, and his disdain for Weis is quite obvious, but he has never crossed the line and made it a personal attack.

Making fun of someones weight is the same as using an racial epitaph. its a biased opinion on someone, based on appearance. Maybe your OK with that........So say/joke what you want amongst your friends, but in a public forum, or website, or online article, its bush league. (and I'm being nice, when I say bush league, lots of other monikers I could have used)

if your argument has substance, you wont resort to personal attacks. It is my theory that ppl resort to personal attacks when they have no ammo for the point of view.

I'm sure glad that UM is familiar with Midwest weather......that was one of the top priorities for a ND coach. Thats prolly why Ty was not successful, not familiar with the weather....

coming into this late I will say I stand by BGIF... he is making a valid point... it is the AD's JOB to look at all possiblities and obviously given CW's weight AND health history that is a possiblity...


screw Political Correctness...


also, yeah a persons weight and a persons race are two TOTALLY different issues... so now a person in charge of hiring can not make judgement if someone shows up to the interview with a beat up shirt, no shoes and messed up hair??? It's all judgement on appearance... right?... sorry being born a certain creed or color is nothing like eating your way to a size 22... genetics??? Explain the complete lack of obesity in Africa...


AND you are not serious with the SC radio guys never dropping personal insults on ND fans, players and coaches comment.... right?? I mean that WAS a joke.... right? For the Record i have heard Petros get pretty personal with ND at least twice off the top of my head... and I avoid listening to him at all costs

 

[IrishAddiction]

No one????? .............. Nobody?!? Really No takers?.............

*IA lowers head and walks out of room*


NOTE: This is just me joking and I support weis' play calling against UM. So please dont go all angry mob w/ torches and pitchforks on me.

 

[phork]

I'd rather Brian Kelly.

 

[jonesman]

I will take CHARLIE!!!!! Don't blame him for this game. 11 does not beat 13, players and refs.

 

[jfjkd01]

I'd rather Brian Kelly.

I'd rather have Chris Petersen.