Mars People

Old Man Mike

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At the risk of starting an emotional IE experience: although Mars is obviously not an option for locating criminals [no such "establishment" exists and would comprise the most economy destroying criminal justice facility imaginable], people who are torn between rightful concern for security of innocent citizens and their personal religious stance against the death penalty [the only "cheap" way to go] [boy, this ought to aggravate some people here], conceive of a new "micro-Australia" here in the US.

What they imagine is the feds purchasing some large marginal agricultural area [say in western Kansas --- apologies to Jayhawk] wherein a mighty three-ringed security wall would be built --- we're talking a few counties --- and some water source located. Then just dump all the lifers in there to fend for themselves. You could throw down, by helicopter, food to begin with and seed to grow [and directions how to plant etc,] and let them decide if they wanted to cooperate and survive. {one would have to make a smaller separate one for the women.}

Intruding overflights would be ordered away, and if persisting, would be shot down --- i.e. no messing around tolerated. Third-edge, outer ring, guards would be constantly on duty, but with the single "facility" even a bunch of them would be economic compared to current system ubiquity across the country. These guards would also be zero tolerance on attempts to get past inner barriers, and the area would have dedicated satellite surveillance.

Occasional reports about the "quality of life" in "The Farm" would be made known in appropriate circumstances to the US public or elements of it. Doubtless it would be a dramatic deterrent for some at least.

I'm not sure what I think about this de novo Australia --- a real horror show in many ways --- but it would "solve" my own religious reluctance to actively kill someone before giving them one last chance to get their soul right. ... another impossible situation we humans create. And, I'd REALLY like to leave Mars out of it anyway --- we humans tend to ruin anything, so Mars has enough problems of its own.
 

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At the risk of starting an emotional IE experience: although Mars is obviously not an option for locating criminals [no such "establishment" exists and would comprise the most economy destroying criminal justice facility imaginable], people who are torn between rightful concern for security of innocent citizens and their personal religious stance against the death penalty [the only "cheap" way to go] [boy, this ought to aggravate some people here], conceive of a new "micro-Australia" here in the US.

What they imagine is the feds purchasing some large marginal agricultural area [say in western Kansas --- apologies to Jayhawk] wherein a mighty three-ringed security wall would be built --- we're talking a few counties --- and some water source located. Then just dump all the lifers in there to fend for themselves. You could throw down, by helicopter, food to begin with and seed to grow [and directions how to plant etc,] and let them decide if they wanted to cooperate and survive. {one would have to make a smaller separate one for the women.}

Intruding overflights would be ordered away, and if persisting, would be shot down --- i.e. no messing around tolerated. Third-edge, outer ring, guards would be constantly on duty, but with the single "facility" even a bunch of them would be economic compared to current system ubiquity across the country. These guards would also be zero tolerance on attempts to get past inner barriers, and the area would have dedicated satellite surveillance.

Occasional reports about the "quality of life" in "The Farm" would be made known in appropriate circumstances to the US public or elements of it. Doubtless it would be a dramatic deterrent for some at least.

I'm not sure what I think about this de novo Australia --- a real horror show in many ways --- but it would "solve" my own religious reluctance to actively kill someone before giving them one last chance to get their soul right. ... another impossible situation we humans create. And, I'd REALLY like to leave Mars out of it anyway --- we humans tend to ruin anything, so Mars has enough problems of its own.

OMM-

There's this game called Clash of Clans. I think you'd be pretty good at it. You should look into it.
 

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.... this old brain is WAY to slow for modern games. And it has been trained for 50+ years to ponder things before responding to them. No pinball wizard I.
 

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Off the top of your head name five people you would love to see make the trip.
1. Oldest daughters mother.
2. Ex boss that refused to take my 2week notice.
3. Justin Beiber
4. $ Mayweather
5. Niki Manaj

Could never walk out on my family. For any reason. Period

1. Justin Beiber
2. Pete Carroll
3. Lindsey Lohan
4. Obama
5. I can't come up with a 5th member that's deserving
 

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I'll put this here for now and treat this as generic Mars thread...

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en data-scribe-reduced-action-queue="><p>Mysterious <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Martian?src=hash">#Martian</a> plume baffles scientists. From <a href="https://twitter.com/esascience">@esascience</a>: <a href="http://t.co/qQipvtWEXG">http://t.co/qQipvtWEXG</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/NASA_Hubble">@NASA_Hubble</a> <a href="http://t.co/KHXfl681TP">pic.twitter.com/KHXfl681TP</a></p>— NASA (@NASA) <a href="https://twitter.com/NASA/status/567454925311840256">February 16, 2015</a></blockquote>
<script async src="//platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Has anyone seen Ah-nuld...did he go to Mars and push a big button?

Or has Tom Cruise moved to New Jersey with his family?
 
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Old Man Mike

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biggest load of steaming guano I've read in a long while. NONE of the essential technology for such a project exists in anything but the minds of wannabee fantasizers. You can put money on this: by 2025 not only will there be no selected reality team humans headed for a Mars colony, but there will be essentially zero progress towards such a thing [except a few slick entrepreneurs finding a way to milk this for some cash.]

Would I like there to be a Mars colony? Heck yes. But with what we actually can do, it would be government or "business" sponsored suicide. Hopefully I won't have to pay for such malarkey. ... now true scientific exploration of Solar System sites by non-manned robotic craft {like the Titan submarine} , THAT's different.



re: Martian plumes. In the late forties and early fifties there were a few "flashes" seen on Mars by Mars-o-phile astronomers. They've never been explained. Our greatest observational astronomer, Clyde Tombaugh, wondered to his military intelligence and scientific friends if these could have been nuclear explosions. Back in those days the possibility of advanced life on Mars seemed more feasible.
 
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At the risk of starting an emotional IE experience: although Mars is obviously not an option for locating criminals [no such "establishment" exists and would comprise the most economy destroying criminal justice facility imaginable], people who are torn between rightful concern for security of innocent citizens and their personal religious stance against the death penalty [the only "cheap" way to go] [boy, this ought to aggravate some people here], conceive of a new "micro-Australia" here in the US.

What they imagine is the feds purchasing some large marginal agricultural area [say in western Kansas --- apologies to Jayhawk] wherein a mighty three-ringed security wall would be built --- we're talking a few counties --- and some water source located. Then just dump all the lifers in there to fend for themselves. You could throw down, by helicopter, food to begin with and seed to grow [and directions how to plant etc,] and let them decide if they wanted to cooperate and survive. {one would have to make a smaller separate one for the women.}

Intruding overflights would be ordered away, and if persisting, would be shot down --- i.e. no messing around tolerated. Third-edge, outer ring, guards would be constantly on duty, but with the single "facility" even a bunch of them would be economic compared to current system ubiquity across the country. These guards would also be zero tolerance on attempts to get past inner barriers, and the area would have dedicated satellite surveillance.

Occasional reports about the "quality of life" in "The Farm" would be made known in appropriate circumstances to the US public or elements of it. Doubtless it would be a dramatic deterrent for some at least.

I'm not sure what I think about this de novo Australia --- a real horror show in many ways --- but it would "solve" my own religious reluctance to actively kill someone before giving them one last chance to get their soul right. ... another impossible situation we humans create. And, I'd REALLY like to leave Mars out of it anyway --- we humans tend to ruin anything, so Mars has enough problems of its own.

I think you just wrote a treatment for the 3rd installment of the "Escape From New York" series. Snake Pliskken in Kansas. Interesting.
 
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