Marcus Freeman Revisited

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It’s mind boggling that Tommy Rees was a prerequisite for hiring a DC with no HC experience. Freeman should have been paired with an experienced former HC OC that could control that whole side of the ball.
This is honestly wild. Between this and how he came off in the Teo documentary, I’m increasingly of the opinion that Swarbrick sucks at crisis management and making decisions in real time. It’s like he has no risk management framework which kind of surprises me given his law & economics background.
 

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This is honestly wild. Between this and how he came off in the Teo documentary, I’m increasingly of the opinion that Swarbrick sucks at crisis management and making decisions in real time. It’s like he has no risk management framework which kind of surprises me given his law & economics background.
Swarbrick is most likely very human and not a genius. He's a pretty smart guy who has flaws like everyone else.
 

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Im going to be patient with Marcus. Saban was 7-5 first year at Bama. Dabo had a bad first few years. Im not in love with the offense but much of it is actually execution as well as Rees trying to subvert expectations.

I said it back in the offseason when everyone else pumping sunshine that he might be a very good recruiter but the jury is definitely out on his ability to be a head coach. He gets at least two years from me anyway.
Kirby too, and a lot of other 1st year guys.



BK also lost to Tulsa and Navy first year while having guys like Floyd, Rudolph, TJ Jones, Eifert, Jonas Gray, Riddick, and a healthy 5 star Crist for most of the season. He didn't have much of a defense but he had Manti. His OL wasn't even that bad when you consider what Weis had at times. I would argue BK had a lot more talent and upperclassmen in 2010 than Marcus has had to work with.
 
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Swarbrick is most likely very human and not a genius. He's a pretty smart guy who has flaws like everyone else.
He's a smart guy who's at the helm of a multi-hundred million dollar revenue organization. Not having a plan for if the head of your largest division gets hit by a bus (or leaves for LSU) is unforgivable. Not understanding the risks and contingencies for your potential replacement candidates and failing to do anything to address those risks is a dereliction of duty. We're not talking about "flaws" here--this is his job description.
 

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This isn't about being satisfied at that level. It's about nosediving from that level. Yes, I'm one of the glass half empty people on here. You can never be satisfied.
We've clearly taken a step back in consistency. It's on Freeman to figure out how to dramatically raise the floor of this team in short order. But he's only halfway through this first season. He's probably going to get at least three years to figure this all out.

I don't get your comment about an inability to satisfy me. I just have no tolerance for those of you who choose to inflict their emotional incontinence about the team on this board. You caught no flak from me when you were posting vaguely positive fortune cookie aphorisms all the time.
I disagree. Every QB regressed. ND has become a place whee QB's go to die.
You think Rees and Book weren't developed? That a better coach could have wrung more productivity out of them?
He left him with a top ten roster. A roster that most coaches would kill for. All h had to do was bring in a qb and a couple of recievers to fill holes.
We were all hoping that Freeman could maintain Kelly's high floor while upgrading the roster over the next few seasons to increase the ceiling. We weren't going anywhere this season anyway, so as long as he can keep recruiting at a high level while he figures this stuff out, then it doesn't really matter what our record for 2022 is. But he does have to figure it out sooner than later.
That's fair enough but i give credence to his opinion of his subordinates.
He tried to make one of those subordinates the highest paid OC in the country for him at LSU, and yet we're ready to burn Rees in effigy. So there's no consistency here. Kelly's a lazy nepotistic moron when he hired Rees to be his OC, but we have to solemnly nod in agreement when he tweets, "Freeman ain't it" from his burner account on Twitter?
 
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Can't wait until Tommy is gone and we can start ragging on the new OC for not putting up 50 per game.

Tommy's playing calling has been uneven for sure, but Saturday's loss was on the entire team and staff.
Whoever our OC is next year is walking into a pretty good situation. The offense won't be so young and they'll be returning most of their starters, I'm wondering if losing Lenzy isn't an upgrade though. They'll be a much more experienced group of upperclassmen instead of Sophomores and some Freshmen, and some much needed depth will be coming in at WR. The only playmaker we probably lose is Mayer, and while that's a big loss I think we'll be better able to sustain with a deeper WR group.
 

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And who is that QB development on? Oh yea Rees.
They spent most of their spring, fall, and the first two games giving another guy the lion's share of the 1st team reps. We are playing with a backup, remember.
 

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Exactly...look..I'm no Rees apologist but can we really blame him for every missed throw and every missed read? Dude isn't a miracle worker.
He schemed Merriweather into two TD plays and one for Lenzy apparently, but we were only able to hit on one of the three. If Pyne is the best we have we gotta hope he continues to progress because with transfers and injuries he remains the current QB under center.
 

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That’s interesting.

He mention why he didn’t take the timeout?
He basically said they'd worked on it in practice and liked the play in that situation, but Stanford was lined up with more guys on that side than they had expected. Tommy spotted it from the box and said so but sounded like they didn't have time/move fast enough to call TO. Couldawouldashoulda.
 

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I don't lnow who all wanted Fickell. I wasn't really keen on him. I wanted Campbell, Brohm, Rhule.
One of the tenants of Christianity and Catholicism is forgiveness and blessing the sinner. We should have hired Urban fucking Meyer. That would have put guys like Saban on notice.

Urban will be hired soon enough and he will win. Whatever.
 

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One of the tenants of Christianity and Catholicism is forgiveness and blessing the sinner.
There's no forgiveness without repentance, and there's zero evidence that Urban regrets anything he's done.
We should have hired Urban fucking Meyer. That would have put guys like Saban on notice.
I am shocked to hear that you only care about winning at any cost. Truly. If only we had more people who understand the University as well as you do on the Board of Fellows.
 
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Freeman said in the press conference that they need to be faster coming into the game. And they have to get better. Well no shit.

I don’t care if you are and experienced coach or a new coach if you are 6 games in and still saying that then there’s problems.

Hence BK era. His teams came out flat so often we just got used to it.

I thought Freeman would be more old school tough and have a lot of confidence/swag but I don’t see that at all from him.
 

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He basically said they'd worked on it in practice and liked the play in that situation, but Stanford was lined up with more guys on that side than they had expected. Tommy spotted it from the box and said so but sounded like they didn't have time/move fast enough to call TO. Couldawouldashoulda.
I just rewatched that play on Peacock. We break the huddle with 18 seconds on the playclock after Drew scrambled on the 3rd and 18 to make it 4th and 2. Stanford is partially lined up as we come to the line, but some guys are moving around as we're lining up. Jayden Thomas is in motion already at 9 seconds on the playclock. We ran the play pretty quick once everyone got lined up, it might be one of those situations were we do actually need to check with the sideline to see if we should be changing it up or not.

If they ran the play in practice against a certain Stanford alignment and they weren't in that alignment I would think Freeman should recognize that. Drew should probably have seen that too and called a TO, but maybe he's not confidant enough yet make that call. We've seen in the past when there's a busted play, like a WR not going in motion, Drew will just eat the ball and try to make something happen rather than call a TO.
 

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There's no forgiveness without repentance, and there's zero evidence that Urban regrets anything he's done.

I am shocked to hear that only care about winning at any cost. Truly. If only we had more people who understand the University as well as you do on the Board of Fellows.
FWIW, you can forgive without repentance. Its not like Urban did anything to ND anyways it was his own personal short comings.

BTW, Urban did express regrets publicly to his wife, family and others so above is not right.
 

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"I am looking for answers".... OMG Marcus sounds like a college kid researching a term paper.

Why not know what you are doing when you are hired to do a job!?? Well, the answer is easy, everyone foisted their best intentions on Freeman in promoting him to a position he was not ready to "execute" on. The University, the fans and the highly impartial "ND Analysts" and of course the BK Haters thought he would do all the right moves. He has done nothing in terms of game play from what I could see. Show me something Marcus!
 

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How horrible. A coach with a calm demeanor who takes ownership for his mistakes and doesn’t kick his guys under the bus. MF is going to be fine. These losses suck for sure but things will get better. Let’s not act like he doesn’t know football. Tough place to learn to be a HC but this is not a stupid man. Lessons are being learned here.
 

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How horrible. A coach with a calm demeanor who takes ownership for his mistakes and doesn’t kick his guys under the bus. MF is going to be fine. These losses suck for sure but things will get better. Let’s not act like he doesn’t know football. Tough place to learn to be a HC but this is not a stupid man. Lessons are being learned here.
I hope so - and its not about knowledge but how to drive the program and be forceful and be highly accountable. He is being too too nice.

Gerry Faust knew football too as he won numerous HS Championships..... (Need I say more??)
 

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Just gonna have to get through this season. I think it’s pretty obvious that the entire team is limited by arguably the most important position on the team. All eggs were placed in one basket. That didn’t pan out and here we are. At the time we had a somewhat competent backup, and one in training. I can understand the why’s as to not pursuing another QB in the portal. So hopefully from here on out it’s a decision made for the program, and not worry about upsetting some chemistry.

Freeman is answering questions the best way he can, Rees is doing the same (I have deep frustration with Rees). They can’t fix a QB who’s probably playing above his own capabilities. They can’t make decisions for him. They can’t fix a pass overthrown. Maybe it’s time to see Angeli, but they clearly think they’ve got their best option on the field.

It will work itself out or it won’t. I like many of you waited all off-season for this mess. It’s tough to watch. But I still watch, and I’m pissed and hate football for about a day. Then I watch again.

If it’s so infuriating you may want to find something else to do. I’ve learned this firsthand.
 

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Kirby too, and a lot of other 1st year guys.



BK also lost to Tulsa and Navy first year while having guys like Floyd, Rudolph, TJ Jones, Eifert, Jonas Gray, Riddick, and a healthy 5 star Crist for most of the season. He didn't have much of a defense but he had Manti. His OL wasn't even that bad when you consider what Weis had at times. I would argue BK had a lot more talent and upperclassmen in 2010 than Marcus has had to work with.

Kirby inherited a program where the previous coach was fired & half the team transferred out.
BK took over a program that had been mediocre for 15 years.
No way the roster BK took over in 2010, top to bottom, could compete with the roster Freeman inherited 1-85.
There is no argument there to have. You lose that in 4 seconds.
Also, Tulsa was a 9 or 10 win team & that was when Navy was good. Both those teams smack down Marshall & Stanford.
 

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Kirby inherited a program where the previous coach was fired & half the team transferred out.
BK took over a program that had been mediocre for 15 years.
No way the roster BK took over in 2010, top to bottom, could compete with the roster Freeman inherited 1-85.
There is no argument there to have. You lose that in 4 seconds.
Also, Tulsa was a 9 or 10 win team & that was when Navy was good. Both those teams smack down Marshall & Stanford.
The fundamental problem is our offense. We have a MAC-level quarterback and, what, two or three quality starters who are older than sophomores (Mayer, Patterson, Tyree who I'd argue is our third RB at this point). It's a young group.
This team is talented on paper, yes. It stacks up OK on the 247 Composite. And yes it is more talented than Stanford and certainly Marshall. Maybe it's better "top to bottom" than what BK inherited, though that team included Harrison Smith, Te'o, Michael Floyd and Kyle Rudolph. Beyond Mayer I'm not sure who's of that caliber here. Maybe guys will emerge.
But let's not get carried away about the depth chart Freeman walked into this year. It was always going to be a rebuilding job, and then our QB1 got hurt.
 
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