Marcus Freeman named Dick Corbett Head Football Coach

[Katzenboyer]

Pelini was hired coming off the tumultuous tenure of Bill Callahan, where Nebraska went 27-22 in his 4 years.

Freeman was hired coming off Brian Kelly, who went 54-9 in his final 5 seasons at ND.

Pelini got Nebraska to another level that they weren't at prior to his hiring. He simply wasn't capable of getting them to that next level competitively.

If ND loses 4 games in back-to-back-to-back seasons, that shows a regression from what was there before.

That's why I say you can't just look at records for this kind of evaluation. ND was in a much better place competitively when Freeman took over than Nebraska was when Pelini took over. The expectations shouldn't be remotely the same.

My point was moreso that you have to be careful with this type of thing. 9-4, 9-4, 9-4 in Freeman's first three season would be disappointing...but you're firing a guy for that? Didn't work out for Nebraska.

It doesn't really matter and it's semantics, because there is a 0.000000% chance Freeman gets fired if he goes 9-4 and 9-4 the next two seasons. With next year's schedule, should it? Yeah, probably. But it will simply never happen.

 

[NDFAN2008]

Pelini was hired coming off the tumultuous tenure of Bill Callahan, where Nebraska went 27-22 in his 4 years.

Freeman was hired coming off Brian Kelly, who went 54-9 in his final 5 seasons at ND.

Pelini got Nebraska to another level that they weren't at prior to his hiring. He simply wasn't capable of getting them to that next level competitively.

If ND loses 4 games in back-to-back-to-back seasons, that shows a regression from what was there before.

That's why I say you can't just look at records for this kind of evaluation. ND was in a much better place competitively when Freeman took over than Nebraska was when Pelini took over. The expectations shouldn't be remotely the same.

Kelly left the QB, WR room, and Safety room bare with barely any talent

 

[PutuporShutup]

Kelly left the QB, WR room, and Safety room bare with barely any talent

So what

We went to portal and got a really good qb, and a highly talented safety…
Also tried wr, didn’t work out

You saying we’re bad this year because of kelly?

 

[Irishdrunk]

So what

We went to portal and got a really good qb, and a highly talented safety…
Also tried wr, didn’t work out

You saying we’re bad this year because of kelly?

Kelly will be blamed next year too. Lol.

 

[LSWho?]

Putting aside the "could" of firing MF after three or four 8-4 or 9-3 type of seasons, which Katzenboyer has accurately identified as "not happening," we can discuss the question, "should ND fire MF and aim for higher standards?"

I think not. Many of these issues are what you would expect from a first time head coach, especially one as young as MF. It is why I was not as excited as others with the decision to hire him. I did not think Notre Dame needed to pay the price of inexperience that other programs need to pay.

But once you choose to go down this route, I believe you need to see it through. These losses and mistakes are the price you pay for the possibility of doing something ND has not done for a long time. I still think the odds that MF figures out all the pieces in Year 5 or 6 are much higher than ND moving on from MF and ending up in a better place with a higher-floor, lower-ceiling, more Kelly-like replacement.

 

[calvegas04]

Putting aside the "could" of firing MF after three or four 8-4 or 9-3 type of seasons, which Katzenboyer has accurately identified as "not happening," we can discuss the question, "should ND fire MF and aim for higher standards?"

I think not. Many of these issues are what you would expect from a first time head coach, especially one as young as MF. It is why I was not as excited as others with the decision to hire him. I did not think Notre Dame needed to pay the price of inexperience that other programs need to pay.

But once you choose to go down this route, I believe you need to see it through. These losses and mistakes are the price you pay for the possibility of doing something ND has not done for a long time. I still think the odds that MF figures out all the pieces in Year 5 or 6 are much higher than ND moving on from MF and ending up in a better place with a higher-floor, lower-ceiling, more Kelly-like replacement.

Who let Mrs. Freeman make an account?

 

[LSWho?]

Who let Mrs. Freeman make an account?

What does this childish response even mean?

 

[PutuporShutup]

The clear and obvious mistake that can’t and shouldn’t have ever happened is you have a young inexperienced HC that admittedly doesn’t know offense, and you hire an inexperienced unwarranted OC

That’s on freeman and jack, they must correct it and give freeman a year with a real OC

 

[NDWarrior]

Not to wax philosophical and ooze cheesiness, but when you think about it, EVERYTHING in life is about learning from adversity and your mistakes, and making adjustments, so I think what would be extremely disappointing is if the team, Parker, Freeman, Jack on up to the BoT don't make any adjustments, from starters to play calling to hiring/firing coaches to NIL/TP. Why would anything change if we don't make adjustments.

 

[Irishdrunk]

What does this childish response even mean?

It means you are being a noob.

Freeman will get 4 years of sub par coaching and then he will go. Ty got only 3 years but Weis and Davie got 5. I think 4 years without a Top 10 finish and he going bye-bye. However, unless the new AD convinces the BOT to pay for a legit HC then this will be an act of folly anyways.

 

[NDBoiler]

What does this childish response even mean?

 

[Irishdrunk]

The more childish the response the better. I was thinking there was a dozen good responses to LSwhos silly opining.

 

[Giddyup]

Parker’s had a good run.

 

[PutuporShutup]

It means you are being a noob.

Freeman will get 4 years of sub par coaching and then he will go. Ty got only 3 years but Weis and Davie got 5. I think 4 years without a Top 10 finish and he going bye-bye. However, unless the new AD convinces the BOT to pay for a legit HC then this will be an act of folly anyways.

Weis really got 3 years due to 2005 and 2006

I think 3 consecutive years of underperforming should get you canned. We have 2 in a row after this year

 

[NDFAN2008]

So what

We went to portal and got a really good qb, and a highly talented safety…
Also tried wr, didn’t work out

You saying we’re bad this year because of kelly?

Point is Freeman didn’t recruit many of the starters and depth at positions were bad it will take another year to get the WR and Safety room up to par. They can’t just go grab whoever they want in the portal to fill those positions

 

[Giddyup]

I’d give him 4 or 5 yrs especially with a new AD. Of course that’s unless we go 3-9 or something

 

[LSWho?]

This current page of the Freeman thread is like the "who's who" of illiterate, reactionary drunks of the ND fanbase.

 

[Giddyup]

This current page of the Freeman thread is like the "who's who" of illiterate, reactionary drunks of the ND fanbase.

Doth protest too much methinks. You can handle it

 

[Te'o4Heisman]

Weis really got 3 years due to 2005 and 2006

I think 3 consecutive years of underperforming should get you canned. We have 2 in a row after this year

Last year was hardly underperforming. He won 9 games with the QBs we had last year and literally nothing at WR, which became even more telling when the QBs moved on and showed to be completely incompetent and incapable of starting at their next stops.

This year is too early to call. If they run the table and win a bowl game and finish 11-2, while not the ultimate goal would be pretty tough to call underperforming. If they lose 4-5 games them yes.

 

[Irishdrunk]

Doth protest too much methinks. You can handle it

No he can't. He is a little bitch noob poster. He just joined the Board within the last month and is now posting like he is sporting a two-footer.

Is Dale back?? Or some IB poster? LOL

 

[Irishdrunk]

Just a series of shitheads feasting on their moment in the sun. Three quarters of the board only see like three posts in this thread because they were smart enough to use the ignore button. We’re the fucking weirdos who showed up to the repetitive complaint party wondering why the judgment isn’t more balanced. 😂

LOL ND88 ignore buttom is for pussies. You know that.

 

[Giddyup]

Well hopefully we win so these guys can roast the critiquers.

 

[Crazy Balki]

My point was moreso that you have to be careful with this type of thing. 9-4, 9-4, 9-4 in Freeman's first three season would be disappointing...but you're firing a guy for that? Didn't work out for Nebraska.

It doesn't really matter and it's semantics, because there is a 0.000000% chance Freeman gets fired if he goes 9-4 and 9-4 the next two seasons. With next year's schedule, should it? Yeah, probably. But it will simply never happen.

It didn't work out for Nebraska, because they made an utterly stupid hire to replace Pelini.

It's the same logic that some Bears fans use to justify their stance that they shouldn't have fired Lovie Smith after a 10-6 season. Yes, they absolutely should have.

It was the right move to replace Lovie. The utterly stupid move was replacing him with a CFL coach with virtually no NFL head coaching experience and hadn't coached in the league in any capacity in nearly a decade.

 

[LSWho?]

Just a series of shitheads feasting on their moment in the sun. Three quarters of the board only see like three posts in this thread because they were smart enough to use the ignore button. We’re the fucking weirdos who showed up to the repetitive complaint party wondering why the judgment isn’t more balanced. 😂

I don't even consider PutuporShutup in that group. I understand why people get annoyed with him. I think he is too negative too. But he often backs up his opinions with reasonable analysis and sometimes undeniable evidence (like the game film breakdown in the Parker thread). Those were some good observations.

But these constant shoot from the hip negative complaints from others are too annoying. Even if this season falls apart, ND is still far from moving on from MF. My original post was an attempt to think through the alternatives.

No he can't. He is a little bitch noob poster. He just joined the Board within the last month and is now posting like he is sporting a two-footer.

Is Dale back?? Or some IB poster? LOL

I have been reading IE longer than you have been posting. My posts are humble attempts to raise the level of analysis on the board above your low impulse control grumbling.

 

[Crazy Balki]

Kelly left the QB, WR room, and Safety room bare with barely any talent

Hartman should've alleviated that, and between Watts, Henderson, Brown and Carter, you should have at least a solid safety group. The staff has failed to develop Henderson and Carter has been non-existent.

They had an OL with 2 1st round talents anchoring the lines, and an experienced veteran center. All they needed to do is solidify the guard spots and they had talent to get it to work. Instead, we're more than half way into the year and have virtually no idea who will be starting at guard, because the positions have regressed, instead of progressed.

WR might be the one spot they get a pass for, because between horrid recruiting and injuries, they were left with basically 1 guy with a year of experience playing receiver in Merriweather and he's in his own head.

 

[Lberry]

No he can't. He is a little bitch noob poster. He just joined the Board within the last month and is now posting like he is sporting a two-footer.

Is Dale back?? Or some IB poster? LOL

Just assume he's me so everyone can move on.

 

[Grahambo]

The clear and obvious mistake that can’t and shouldn’t have ever happened is you have a young inexperienced HC that admittedly doesn’t know offense, and you hire an inexperienced unwarranted OC

That’s on freeman and jack, they must correct it and give freeman a year with a real OC

I mostly place that blame on Jack. He’s supposed to be the mega-experienced CEO.

 

[IrishTusker]

I mostly place that blame on Jack. He’s supposed to be the mega-experienced CEO.

His experience was being a lawyer. He has no AD experience.

You can throw Ron Powlus in the mix, too, from what I have read. The AD and his handlers should not be vetoing assistant coaching hires.

 

[GoIrish41]

Um. We’re up by 3 scores on a top ten team at halftime. Let’s wait until after the game to hyperventilate.

 

[ThePiombino]

He's not been perfect, but...



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