Making a Murderer (Spoilers)

[GATTACA!]

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1Wx_quH4MeWK292zy8H9a7E7yhJuBF6v2/view

A new motion filed by Zellner on behalf of Steven Avery.

Looking really, really bad for Bobby Dassey.

Maybe some of our IE lawyers can weigh in, but to me that seems about as clear cut as a Brady violation can get.

 

[Rocket89]

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1Wx_quH4MeWK292zy8H9a7E7yhJuBF6v2/view

A new motion filed by Zellner on behalf of Steven Avery.

Looking really, really bad for Bobby Dassey.

Okay, read the motion (but not every single exhibit) and here's my best summary:

Fassbender seized a computer from the Dassey residence 6 months after the murder. An expert downloaded its contents onto a CD (which the prosecution withheld, hence the Brady violation) while Kratz later sent, shortly before the trial, 7 encrypted DVD's of the computer that the defense had no chance of analyzing in time--and so it seems didn't find it important enough to waste time on.

The prosecution also claimed the computer belonged to Brendan when in fact all evidence suggests it was primarily used by Bobby Dassey the oldest brother.

The computer CD, since turned over less than 3 months ago, reveals extremely graphic violent pornography, sexual violence, child pornography, and internet searches for dead and dismembered girls. In addition, hundreds of graphic instant messenger chats that are quite disturbing. There were also Halbach and Steven Avery files created on the computer.

The vast majority of these searches and chats (under the username "bobby") were done when Bobby Dassey was the only one home (everyone else being at work or school). On the alleged day of Halbach's murder the computer was accessed 8 times from 6 AM until 2 PM when only Bobby was home, and he testified that he was sleeping during those times.

There are several deleted files from the months just before and after Halbach's murder. The removed files prior to Halbach's murder correspond to the dates she visited the property. Bobby's mother paid for someone to delete files prior to the prosecution seizing the PC in April 2006.

Throughout the original investigation the prosecution claimed the computer was located in the living room (and the defense didn't seem to contend this because they weren't aware what was on the PC) when it was located in Bobby's bedroom.

The jury deliberated for 3 days and only asked to review Bobby's testimony from trial and no one else. They were not allowed to review transcripts by the court and were forced to go over things from memory.

The motion goes over extensively how Bobby's story changed considerably from his initial police interviews in November 2005 until he took the stand during trial--the latter severely implicating his uncle Steven Avery and what he saw outside with Halbach going to Avery's door, etc.

Lots of evidence submitted that Bobby's timeline on the day of the murder doesn't add up. His main alibi (in addition to sleeping until 2 PM which he wasn't) was that he went hunting. They've obtained his cell records with tower pings 5.5 miles in the opposite direction in which he claimed to be hunting that evening.

There are a couple of signed affidavit's that claim to have seen Halbach's vehicle parked near an old dam where Bobby's cell phone pinged that evening. His younger brother Blaine has also submitted an affidavit claiming to see Bobby driving a vehicle similar in color to Halbach's near this same spot on the highway.

Bobby had significant scratches on his back, claiming to be from a puppy. The post-conviction doctor claims they are consistent with human fingernail scratching.

He also allegedly arrived 90 minutes late to work that evening (he worked 3rd shift).

OPINION: It's kind of crazy that if true, the prosecution knew about all this stuff on the computer and just kept it under wraps. Did they use it as more leverage over the Dassey family? What's even more disturbing, possibly, is that Bobby and his mom knew about his (ahem) "issues" or even worse and then allowed police to blame the little brother Brendan for the murder. And....Bobby became the state's biggest and most important witness throughout it all.

 

[NorthDakota]

Jesus. This dude railroaded his own brother. Fuuuuuuck.

 

[GATTACA!]

Fassbender seized a computer from the Dassey residence 6 months after the murder. An expert downloaded its contents onto a CD (which the prosecution withheld, hence the Brady violation) while Kratz later sent, shortly before the trial, 7 encrypted DVD's of the computer that the defense had no chance of analyzing in time--and so it seems didn't find it important enough to waste time on.

So wait did the prosecution break the encryption on the computer and then send the defense the still encrypted files, or did they put their own encryption on it? Because that's a whole other level of fucked up if that's the case.

 

[Rocket89]

So wait did the prosecution break the encryption on the computer and then send the defense the still encrypted files, or did they put their own encryption on it? Because that's a whole other level of fucked up if that's the case.

The latter, it appears.

 

[Irish#1]

Okay, read the motion (but not every single exhibit) and here's my best summary:

Fassbender seized a computer from the Dassey residence 6 months after the murder. An expert downloaded its contents onto a CD (which the prosecution withheld, hence the Brady violation) while Kratz later sent, shortly before the trial, 7 encrypted DVD's of the computer that the defense had no chance of analyzing in time--and so it seems didn't find it important enough to waste time on.

The prosecution also claimed the computer belonged to Brendan when in fact all evidence suggests it was primarily used by Bobby Dassey the oldest brother.

The computer CD, since turned over less than 3 months ago, reveals extremely graphic violent pornography, sexual violence, child pornography, and internet searches for dead and dismembered girls. In addition, hundreds of graphic instant messenger chats that are quite disturbing. There were also Halbach and Steven Avery files created on the computer.

The vast majority of these searches and chats (under the username "bobby") were done when Bobby Dassey was the only one home (everyone else being at work or school). On the alleged day of Halbach's murder the computer was accessed 8 times from 6 AM until 2 PM when only Bobby was home, and he testified that he was sleeping during those times.

There are several deleted files from the months just before and after Halbach's murder. The removed files prior to Halbach's murder correspond to the dates she visited the property. Bobby's mother paid for someone to delete files prior to the prosecution seizing the PC in April 2006.

Throughout the original investigation the prosecution claimed the computer was located in the living room (and the defense didn't seem to contend this because they weren't aware what was on the PC) when it was located in Bobby's bedroom.

The jury deliberated for 3 days and only asked to review Bobby's testimony from trial and no one else. They were not allowed to review transcripts by the court and were forced to go over things from memory.

The motion goes over extensively how Bobby's story changed considerably from his initial police interviews in November 2005 until he took the stand during trial--the latter severely implicating his uncle Steven Avery and what he saw outside with Halbach going to Avery's door, etc.

Lots of evidence submitted that Bobby's timeline on the day of the murder doesn't add up. His main alibi (in addition to sleeping until 2 PM which he wasn't) was that he went hunting. They've obtained his cell records with tower pings 5.5 miles in the opposite direction in which he claimed to be hunting that evening.

There are a couple of signed affidavit's that claim to have seen Halbach's vehicle parked near an old dam where Bobby's cell phone pinged that evening. His younger brother Blaine has also submitted an affidavit claiming to see Bobby driving a vehicle similar in color to Halbach's near this same spot on the highway.

Bobby had significant scratches on his back, claiming to be from a puppy. The post-conviction doctor claims they are consistent with human fingernail scratching.

He also allegedly arrived 90 minutes late to work that evening (he worked 3rd shift).

OPINION: It's kind of crazy that if true, the prosecution knew about all this stuff on the computer and just kept it under wraps. Did they use it as more leverage over the Dassey family? What's even more disturbing, possibly, is that Bobby and his mom knew about his (ahem) "issues" or even worse and then allowed police to blame the little brother Brendan for the murder. And....Bobby became the state's biggest and most important witness throughout it all.

Did it say anything about user logins? Does the log file show a regular pattern of each user using their own login? Bobby may have been logged in, but it may not have been him. I'm logged into my home PC and my wife always uses the PC without logging in with her ID.

 

[Rocket89]

Did it say anything about user logins? Does the log file show a regular pattern of each user using their own login? Bobby may have been logged in, but it may not have been him. I'm logged into my home PC and my wife always uses the PC without logging in with her ID.

An overwhelming amount of the PC use came when Bobby was the only person home. He worked 3rd shift with nearly all the disturbing use coming in the 6 AM to 3 PM window while his mother was at work and little brother's at school. Plus, the PC was in Bobby's room.

Additionally, all of the IM messages come from the username "bobby" although when he did creep girls out with disturbing images or conversations he would routinely blame his two brothers for taking over the computer.

 

[Rocket89]

Making a Murderer 2 drops tomorrow.

 

[bkess8]

Watching the second part of Making a Murderer and I still don't understand why Brendan Dassey is in jail.

 

[dang227]

Just finished season 2 and if I had to look at a closeup of Avery’s lawyer’s face one more time I was going to gouge my eyes out.

 

[NorthDakota]

Dassey's lawyer is hot. I'm into her bigly.

 

[wizards8507]

What's shocking to me from season two is how all of people they show on local news interviews are all convinced that Avery and Dassey are guilty AF. It's like nobody in Wisconsin actually WATCHED Making a Murderer.

 

[drayer54]

Dassey being in jail seems so wrong. Avery's lawyer has a messed up nosejob, but she seems to be a solid lawyer.

 

[Irish#1]

Dassey's lawyer is hot. I'm into her bigly.

Really?

 

[BleedBlueGold]

Is season 2 worth watching?

 

[Irish#1]

What's shocking to me from season two is how all of people they show on local news interviews are all convinced that Avery and Dassey are guilty AF. It's like nobody in Wisconsin actually WATCHED Making a Murderer.

Not surprised. I posted this a while back. There's a TV reporter in Indy who lived in Wisconsin and covered the trial, attending every day. He did a special segment(s) when the show originally aired and was getting a lot of attention. He mentioned that the show leaves out a lot that may have you thinking a little differently.

 

[BleedBlueGold]

Not surprised. I posted this a while back. There's a TV reporter in Indy who lived in Wisconsin and covered the trial, attending every day. He did a special segment(s) when the show originally aired and was getting a lot of attention. He mentioned that the show leaves out a lot that may have you thinking a little differently.

This is one of the reasons for asking if the S2 is even worth the time?

If they aren't going to be totally forthcoming with information, I don't care to waste my time watching it.

 

[Irish#1]

Dassey being in jail seems so wrong. Avery's lawyer has a messed up nosejob, but she seems to be a solid lawyer.

She knows what she's doing. She's gotten quite a few convictions overturned during her career.

 

[NDRock]

Not surprised. I posted this a while back. There's a TV reporter in Indy who lived in Wisconsin and covered the trial, attending every day. He did a special segment(s) when the show originally aired and was getting a lot of attention. He mentioned that the show leaves out a lot that may have you thinking a little differently.

Exactly. The people that actually attended the trial (including the jury) are quite sure of his guilt. The tv show was super entertaining but pretty biased.

 

[NorthDakota]

Free Brendan Dassey. Free Steven Avery!

 

[wizards8507]

Not surprised. I posted this a while back. There's a TV reporter in Indy who lived in Wisconsin and covered the trial, attending every day. He did a special segment(s) when the show originally aired and was getting a lot of attention. He mentioned that the show leaves out a lot that may have you thinking a little differently.

Exactly. The people that actually attended the trial (including the jury) are quite sure of his guilt. The tv show was super entertaining but pretty biased.

I'm not saying he was definitely framed. I'm saying, at the very least, there's reasonable doubt. And Dassey's due process rights were absolutely violated.

 

[BleedBlueGold]

I'm not saying he was definitely framed. I'm saying, at the very least, there's reasonable doubt. And Dassey's due process rights were absolutely violated.

I agree with this.

 

[Rocket89]

Not surprised. I posted this a while back. There's a TV reporter in Indy who lived in Wisconsin and covered the trial, attending every day. He did a special segment(s) when the show originally aired and was getting a lot of attention. He mentioned that the show leaves out a lot that may have you thinking a little differently.

From said reporter in January 2016:

https://fox59.com/2016/01/06/fox59-...a-murderer-having-covered-the-case-firsthand/

It only takes about 30 minutes of research--most already covered in this thread--to realize this is an extremely weak, and superficial, rebuke of the documentary and the case as a whole.

Also, I think one of the interesting points to come from the documentary is how local media coverage can do a really poor job seriously investigating a crime. There are tons of overturned convictions where local reporters had swallowed the evidence without much thought and just going through the motions of their daily lives. People tend to believe the police and prosecutors when an ugly, poor guy is on trial.

Pointing to one reporter--who actually isn't saying much given the scope of the case--isn't all that convincing. Although, to be fair to this reporter he was probably in his mid-20's during the trial, never threw down much on the guilty side anyway, and there were some other skeptical media back then during the trial(s).

 

[Rocket89]

Exactly. The people that actually attended the trial (including the jury) are quite sure of his guilt. The tv show was super entertaining but pretty biased.

Two jurors have since come out in public and talked about their doubts, fearing for their safety, and that doesn't even really dig into the pre-trial jury poisoning or tampering that was alleged to have occurred.

 

[NDRock]

I'm not saying he was definitely framed. I'm saying, at the very least, there's reasonable doubt. And Dassey's due process rights were absolutely violated.

Agree on Dassey, had the worst lawyer possible. He should get a retrial. I guess if all you watched was the documentary then you would think there is reasonable doubt. My problem with it was the one-sidedness of it. Like the blood vial. They show the hole in the vial and the broken tape on the evidence box but never offer the reasons for that (going from memory). Reasons that were brought up in the trial. That seemed to happen quite often. I just wish they gave a more well rounded view of the case.

 

[NDRock]

On a side note, those that believe Avery to be innocent, who do you think did it? I forgot if the defense put up any other suspects or not. I seem to remember a cousin possibly being involved or the boyfriend. Just curious.

 

[Rocket89]

On a side note, those that believe Avery to be innocent, who do you think did it? I forgot if the defense put up any other suspects or not. I seem to remember a cousin possibly being involved or the boyfriend. Just curious.

The Wisconsin Supreme Court has the “Denny law” which severely restricts the defense from naming other suspects. It was a huge reason why the trials unfolded the way they did, IMO.

 

[koonja]

After watching the finale of season 2, Brendan's step father seems like the kind of guy who could do it.

Holy cow what a loose cannon.

 

[NDRock]

The Wisconsin Supreme Court has the “Denny law” which severely restricts the defense from naming other suspects. It was a huge reason why the trials unfolded the way they did, IMO.

Interesting, thanks for that. Who do you think they would have named if allowed?

 

[Rocket89]

Interesting, thanks for that. Who do you think they would have named if allowed?

Avery’s original lawyers have remained remarkably restrained in never publicly saying who they would’ve named beyond they had a list that couldn’t be presented in court. Reading between the lines most feel they would’ve gone after Bobby and Scott the most but that’s speculation.