Les Miles & Rich Rod

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i was at the lsu game this weekend and ray drew was there.

Well, if he watched the last 30 seconds of the game he would have seen one of the worst coaching performances of all time... anyone who attended that game should never want to go to Tennessee or LSU.
 

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why would one want to play for les miles?
 

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I'd prefer Robinson makes Dicky Stick look legit to the rose-colored glasses-wearing media for 2 more years. He can run that program into the ground.

I really don't understand why people think Rich Rod is a failed coach... I can't wait to see him hit the road...
 

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I really don't understand why people think Rich Rod is a failed coach... I can't wait to see him hit the road...

Because he is fielding one of the worst defenses in the country, right now. They have the absolute worst pass defense in the country. Dead last. 120th.

Last year, they had yet another horrible defense. And the year before that. The man can't develop a defense to save his life.

Can you name any of Michigan's running backs? Probably not, because they're mediocre and can't produce at all.

Michigan also fields a decent corps of receivers that benefit heavily from Robinson's big play ability and because Michigan hasn't played a defense ranked in the Top 50 thus far this season. Roy Roundtree is the stud of the group, but Junior Hemingway (a senior) and Darryl Stonum (a junior) are inconsistent. Both are in their third year in the Rodriguez scheme and were highly rated. They're underperforming.

Rodriguez's player development has been horrid at every position besides QB and the OL (arguably the WRs, but again they're inconsistent). The defense has exactly one player that I would even touch in the NFL Draft (NT Mike Martin).


It's not going to get better for Michigan defensively. You simply cannot take a defense from 103rd and make them Top 50 overnight.

I'm convinced that once Robinson graduates, Rodriguez will find himself in a tight spot again.
 

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Dont care for Les Miles at all. Was watching that game this weekend agaisnt Tennessee and I couldn't believe what happened. Ridiculous! LSU surived and got VERY Lucky!
 

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I am not a gambler.

I am not a gambler.

I'm convinced that once Robinson graduates, Rodriguez will find himself in a tight spot again.[/QUOTE]

I would be willing to bet he leaves Michigan without a diploma.
 

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I'm convinced UM will compete as long as Robinsons is there... and in that time the D will get better and Rich will recruit more athletes... he ain't going anywhere and that's not good for us.

last I checked they are unbeaten and have beat us 2 straight...

the guy wins... period. and everyone on this board would love to trade records with them... and this is while we all talk about how horrible they are as a team... that is a CREDIT to the coaches and players of Michigan, not some curse, deal with it.

Think of it this way, the guy was one last second backyard brawl upset away from playing tOSU in the National Title game at West Virginia.... WEST VIRGINIA!!!! and I have no doubt they would have stomped tOSU just as anyone in the top five would have that year...

I think the ND base bashes him b/c of the team he coaches... plain and simple.
 
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Rich Rod does suck. Like seriously... he has always been able to score points but you have to be able to play some defense to win consistently against ELITE competition. Not UMass, UConn and other patsies. Plus he has Michigan in trouble with the NCAA for the first time ever.

I pray to god that Michigan is dumb enough to keep him and not fire him for Harbaugh at the end of this season. Harbaugh = good coach. Rich Rod = one-trick pony doomed to fail.

For the record, I think Rich Rod is gone at 8-4 if he loses to OSU and MSU.
 

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as Lax stated... as a moral leader and running a clean program... yeah.

but you can say that about Saban, Tressel and Meyer also, and I'm not gonna knock them as coaches either.
 

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but you can say that about Saban, Tressel and Meyer also, and I'm not gonna knock them as coaches either.

Touche. Although I think Meyer and Tressel are better guys than Saban. Saban and Les Miles are kinda in a league of their own when it comes to being dirt bags.
 

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Touche. Although I think Meyer and Tressel are better guys than Saban. Saban and Les Miles are kinda in a league of their own when it comes to being dirt bags.

agreed, Saban is in a class all himself... and Saban and others are indeed better than Rich Rod... but I just don't get this "he's horrible" stuff... is he a one trick guy??

Are Tress and Saban one trick guys for having the same transparent game plan every week for years???

If it works it works...
 

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agreed, Saban is in a class all himself... and Saban and others are indeed better than Rich Rod... but I just don't get this "he's horrible" stuff... is he a one trick guy??

Are Tress and Saban one trick guys for having the same transparent game plan every week for years???

If it works it works...

Well Saban has won with different teams and different personnel. He has won with defense, with a strong running game, with a strong passing game. Tressel... well, similarly he has won with very different teams but he isn't as adaptive as Saban.

Rich Rod? He won bowl games with Pat White who was a total stud. Now he is winning with DR in a similar fashion. Whenever he hasn't had a superstar dual-threat QB his teams have struggled mightily. Does that mean he is a bad coach by itself? No, every coach has to have their personnel to win.

What makes him a bad coach, in my opinion, is that he has no idea how to coach other facets of the game. His defense are always pathetic. Not just bad... like the absolute worst. In a lot of ways, he is a more-effective Charlie Weis.
 

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I think the sharks are in the bloody waters at michigan - but I think DickRod has a ton of chum(wins) that keeps all the sharks at bay. Once he runs out of chum, it'll be feeding time. Right now, he's ok.
 

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I think the sharks are in the bloody waters at michigan - but I think DickRod has a ton of chum(wins) that keeps all the sharks at bay. Once he runs out of chum, it'll be feeding time. Right now, he's ok.

Denard Robinson is what is keeping Michigan afloat plain and simple.
 

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um is going to have 3 tough weeks in a row with msu, iowa, and penn state. then 2 easy weeks with illinois and purdue. and then wisky and osu to finish out the season. i think its going to be tough for robinson to singlehandedly beat these next three teams, as well as wisc. and osu. we'll see.
 

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um is going to have 3 tough weeks in a row with msu, iowa, and penn state. then 2 easy weeks with illinois and purdue. and then wisky and osu to finish out the season. i think its going to be tough for robinson to singlehandedly beat these next three teams, as well as wisc. and osu. we'll see.

I'm thinking Michigan loses two of their next three. Robinson will definently be tested as well as Michigan's poor defense.
 

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I think the UM defense is going to get torched the next few weeks and it's really really going to put pressure on their offense to outscore teams and then the mistakes will start coming. They've done well playing neck and neck with bad teams but what happens when they fall behind 14 to nothing and teams are keying on Robinson as a runner and then he really has to try and beat good defensive teams with his arm? I think it's going to get ugly unless Robinson is even better than I think.
 

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The longer he stays, the better the defense will be. My prediction doesn't seem so far off now, does it.
 
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the guy wins... period. and everyone on this board would love to trade records with them... and this is while we all talk about how horrible they are as a team... that is a CREDIT to the coaches and players of Michigan, not some curse, deal with it.

Think of it this way, the guy was one last second backyard brawl upset away from playing tOSU in the National Title game at West Virginia.... WEST VIRGINIA!!!! and I have no doubt they would have stomped tOSU just as anyone in the top five would have that year...

I think the ND base bashes him b/c of the team he coaches... plain and simple.

What record are you willing to trade with him? Brian Kelly’s? Final season records? This year’s game is a perfect example of what happens in sports: I have looked at the game over and over, and if Crist is healthy, we win. Also, I believe strongly one of these teams will be on quite an upswing by the end of this season, leading into next season and I don’t see it as the maize and blue.

Why? (By the way, as a Notre Dame fan I am sticking to the facts, not UM bashing here.) Because over his illustrious, 66% career, he has robbed from the defense to feed the offense. That may work in the Big East, but not in the Big Ten, Eleven, or Twelve. You need defense to end up on top at the end. And you need it to win big games on the road.

He needs all of his high-powered talent to feed the offense, leaving his already beleaguered defense to suck wind. That is one reason why his teams fade the way they do. And when you talk about his record, he as only had three FBS years above nine wins. (When you look at the ’03-05 run, two ties for first were with eight wins.)

This last week was a perfect example; this is his year, and this past week in his Big Ten opener, without Denard Robinson, Michigan loses to Indiana, INDIANA! Just think a team picked to finish ninth or tenth, who perennially finishes ninth or tenth, almost beats Michigan with Denard Robinson. He had to run for his life! Wait until Michigan gets into the teeth of it’s Big Ten schedule. MSU may be enough this weekend.

Dan Mozes, Steve Slaton and Patrick White are more why Rich Rod had the success at WVU as Denard Robinson is at Michigan. Subtract out those four players and you have mediocre 66 percent programs. The real reason everyone likes to jump all over Rich Rod is that he has a habit of bending the rules and being caught. From his condo deal to his lingering problems at WVU, to his practice problems, to whatever; Rich Rod does his best to come off like a sleaze.

That I why I do not like the man.
 

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I don't like him either.... but give up with the "if this happens then that is different" garbage... it's bush and flat out is not reality.

also who the hell recruited those players??? You give a coach credit for all he does, not just what makes you feel better, how this "well he got players to fit his system so that shows he sucks" argument seems to only apply to RR is flat stupid... that either applies to EVERY SINGLE coach ever, or none.... period.

and yes, everyone of us would love to be 5-0 right now.. he is, we ain't... time we stop kicking and screming like babies over Rich Rod and jsut deal with the fact that it's working for him right now... and has for every year but his first two at UM... if evidence comes in to make that change then so will opinions, but right now the facts are pretty well on his side... and the facts don't care if a bunch of whiny ND fans don't like it.
 
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Until Rodriguez fields a respectable defense, I'm not sold.

Based on Brian Kelly's reputation as a program builder...yeah. I'm a little more confident.
 

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I agree with that for the most part...

but these ND fans that flame RR like he's a garbage coach... really??

He beat us twice in a row and looks like he has UM on the right path. and all the "yeah buts" about refs, QBs getting hurt and recruiting players that actually fit your system (gasp) will never change that...

I'd personally be very happy to see RR leave and Les Miles take over.
 

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I should just let this go but my family are lifetime West Virginians, one of my brothers a WVU grad, and I even played summer ball with Bill Stewart when he was growing up. The point is: We/I have been following WVU football for years intensely. When Rodriguez was at WVA, there were several years when his defense was quite good. And he has put guys into the pros off it. West Virginia had tough times recruiting BIGs as you might guess, but Rodriguez could recruit linebackers and especially DBs as he is a speed expert. His defense [and by the way that's not his primary responsibility] ended up morphing into an odd system [the 3-3-5] because the athletes that WVU had were SMALLS-&-FASTS and this gets them on the field. When he went to Michigan, they had almost none of those guys to build the Defense out of. He's recruiting them. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------I'm not always on ACAMP's side in these "debates" but I believe that people should consider that Rodriguez is a #@%# good football coach. We shouldn't let feelings about the way he bends rules color how we evaluate his "success" even though somewhat ill-gained. And for sure we shouldn't let dislike of Michigan color it, as that is completely irrelevant. RODRIGUEZ is a BAD MAN in street language. NOBODY in their right minds wants him getting a long-term opportunity to coach a power program that is their rival. The Big Ten has been lucky that he went to a program almost totally mismatched for his style of ball. I hate it that he's at Michigan and from what I hear, unless he gets the school in serious trouble, will be there a long time. Pat White WAS superman. But he wasn't the only homerun threat that Rodriguez developed at WVU. He'll bring in a bunch of them at Michigan. And they'll run through D-coordinators until they find a fit. Michigan's dangerous. He's the reason.
 
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Okay, in Rich Rod's three seasons, let's focus on his three biggest rivalries. So far, he is 2-1 against us. He is 1-1 with the Spartans, and o-fer with the Buckeyes. Right now he has three wins. Do you think he will beat both the Spartans and the Buckeyes this year? Either? If he doesn't that's three for nine against rivalry schools. And I don't think a small-fast defense will work in the Big Ten. Are you willing to give up our massive defensive end recruits this year for smaller faster ones? My point is this is why his strategy worked fine where he was at, but never took him to the big game there, and won't consistently beat the Wisconsin’s, PSU's Ohio States, and Nebraska's here, now.

Oh, yeah, and as bad of “luck” as we have had this year, he has had good. Remember, the beneficiary of Dayne Crist’s blurry vision? That is what makes him 5-0? What is your idea about the game in Ann Arbor this weekend?
 
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