Kurt “The Truth” Cignetti

[jerseyborn1971]

UCF went from 0-12 to 13-0 beating the SEC West champ in the Peach Bowl within 2 years without the transfer portal or NIL. IU is a combo of good coaching, NIL, efficient use of the portal and some good luck avoiding injuries.

 

[ulukinatme]

UCF went from 0-12 to 13-0 beating the SEC West champ in the Peach Bowl within 2 years without the transfer portal or NIL. IU is a combo of good coaching, NIL, efficient use of the portal and some good luck avoiding injuries.

I wouldn't say a G5 team winning against a G5 schedule and beating an Auburn team with starters opting out is quite the same as running the table in a P4 conference and winning the playoff. Frost didn't exactly replicate that UCF success at Nebraska. There's probably a lot more oversight at Nebraska too, we don't know if he cut corners at UCF.

 

[ulukinatme]

I wonder what the reactions of some would be if this had been Rutgers or Maryland instead of Indiana.

I would have the same questions. I don't see Rutgers or Maryland as any different than Indiana when you consider each team's recent history of doormat status.

 

[Jiggafini19Deux]

UCF went from 0-12 to 13-0 beating the SEC West champ in the Peach Bowl within 2 years without the transfer portal or NIL. IU is a combo of good coaching, NIL, efficient use of the portal and some good luck avoiding injuries.

I wouldn't say a G5 team winning against a G5 schedule and beating an Auburn team with starters opting out is quite the same as running the table in a P4 conference and winning the playoff. Frost didn't exactly replicate that UCF success at Nebraska. There's probably a lot more oversight at Nebraska too, we don't know if he cut corners at UCF.

@sixstar It is SO on right now. LOL

 

[Jiggafini19Deux]

Indiana has a lot of guys that are 23 and 24 years old already. 2019 LSU had a lot of talent, but that was prior to Covid before this era. They likely didn't have anywhere near the number of 23 and 24 year olds playing on that team. Same for 2001 Miami.

I really do think that's a part of this that not enough people are talking about. Sure, NIL and the Portal. They have guys on this team that have been in college for 4-6 years that were getting major reps.

It's not that they aren't good or well coached, but that's definitely an advantage we're seeing in this current era.

 

[Veritate Duce Progredi]

Wait, are people being serious about IU having a chance to beat LSU? Or did my skimming eyes/brain deceive me? This isn't a real discussion right? Do people think this IU team is in the pantheon of all time great teams?

They were good enough to win the title and deserve all the accolades associated with it. But they wouldn't sniff a W against that LSU team.

 

[Islandboi]

Im a little in the clouds rn. But I agree with wholeheartedly with this guy. But. Yeah there's a but. We have to come to a point where we see. His team was built by guys who were on average 22-24 yrs old. Playing against mostly 18 yr olds. I take nothing away from him as a coach. Hes a really good coach. Evaluator of talent. Even with Cuban as his benefactor. Cig won't be able to replicate this again. To me. He capitalized on the situation. And honestly. Good for him. Hopefully this doesn't come across as a bitter ND fan. I was actually rooting for them. I just don't think its sustainable.

 

[Sea Turtle]

Wait, are people being serious about IU having a chance to beat LSU? Or did my skimming eyes/brain deceive me? This isn't a real discussion right? Do people think this IU team is in the pantheon of all time great teams?

They were good enough to win the title and deserve all the accolades associated with it. But they wouldn't sniff a W against that LSU team.

They've accomplished what no other team has.

Nobody really thinks the 1973 Dolphins were better than the 1992/93 Cowboys.

 

[jprue24]

Miami's starters were more experienced than IU's

Indiana football roster age: How Hoosiers' team of 'adults' compares to NFL's Packers

Indiana is loaded with experience in the College Football Playoff, but don't believe everything you hear.

sports.yahoo.com

 

[IRISHDODGER]

They've accomplished what no other team has.

Nobody really thinks the 1973 Dolphins were better than the 1992/93 Cowboys.

I assume you mean the ‘72 Dolphins. Ironically, they have more Hall-of-Famers that the ‘92/‘93 Cowboys.

 

[NDPhilly]

Akeem Mesidor is going to be TWENTY FIVE on draft day. The story is that both teams were old. Not just IU.

Since Miami has recruited better the last couple years, they hypothetically shouldn’t need to be as transfer heavy going forward.

 

[Sea Turtle]

I assume you mean the ‘72 Dolphins. Ironically, they have more Hall-of-Famers that the ‘92/‘93 Cowboys.

Yeah, but Dallas would be able to name the score. They literally would not have to pass the ball unless simply wanted to.

It would be murder.

 

[Bane]

He did a few things different:
1. In our playoff game last year, he played "not to lose" including things like pointing from plus territory while trailing. This year, he calls a QB draw for Mendoza on 4th and 5 in field goal range.

2. He talked way less "trash" and had way less false bravado. Very focused on the task at hand, not out there giving interviews complaining about the media or their ranking or talking about their opponents being overrated.

Agreed on both counts and that is why I don't hate him as much as I did last year. He came across less phony and try hard. Ironically, his playcalling this year backed up his shit talking from last year.

 

[Bane]

I wonder what the reactions of some would be if this had been Rutgers or Maryland instead of Indiana.

I think more of the board would be willing to entertain accusations of cheating for sure. If it was a SEC doormat like Miss St.? This board would have 3 separate threads dedicated how they were cheating. I get some of the people on here hate Indiana because they live in the state, but a lot of people also have warm feelings towards them because they are from Indiana and maybe have ties to the university in some way.

 

[Jiggafini19Deux]

I don't know how you can compare any team from 2022-2026 to any team prior to that. Two completely different eras. We're in a completely different world right now.

 

[Irish#1]

Yeah, but Dallas would be able to name the score. They literally would not have to pass the ball unless simply wanted to.

It would be murder.

The Dolphins wouldn't have to pass either. Csonka and Morris both rushed for over 1,000 yards. That '72 Dolphins has six HOF players, Four were 1st team All Pro. Nine players made the Pro Bowl. They played with a backup QB for a good part of the season. It would be a close game.

 

[Bluto]

The Dolphins wouldn't have to pass either. Csonka and Morris both rushed for over 1,000 yards. That '72 Dolphins has six HOF players, Four were 1st team All Pro. Nine players made the Pro Bowl. They played with a backup QB for a good part of the season. It would be a close game.

They were probably smoking cigarettes and drinking beer on the side lines and in the locker room during those games too. Lol.

Those old timer NFL players were savages.

 

[NDWarrior]

Akeem Mesidor is going to be TWENTY FIVE on draft day. The story is that both teams were old. Not just IU.

Since Miami has recruited better the last couple years, they hypothetically shouldn’t need to be as transfer heavy going forward.

 

[Sea Turtle]

The Dolphins wouldn't have to pass either. Csonka and Morris both rushed for over 1,000 yards. That '72 Dolphins has six HOF players, Four were 1st team All Pro. Nine players made the Pro Bowl. They played with a backup QB for a good part of the season. It would be a close game.

Honestly, their o-line gets blown up before any run play gets developed. Dolphin players would be getting injured constantly.

It's not Miami's fault. It was 1972. Those Steeler teams would have been destroyed too. It was just a different era. The 1977 Cowboys as well.

It would be like our Gulf War military vs our Vietnam Army military. Absolute murder.

 

[Jiggafini19Deux]

The 1972 Miami Dolphins OL came in at 250, 253, 255, 265 and 250.

They would time travel into a hypothetical super game and be destroyed. And they wouldn't have to go very far into the future for that to occur.

 

[FDNYIrish1]

He talks some shit in press conferences but I actually like his sideline demeanor. He’s obviously a great coach and I think it’s kind of a cool story that he bet on himself and took the hard road by leaving Saban and taking a lower level HC job. Guy earned his button and seems to be able to build a great culture with many moving parts. Wish ND had an opportunity to play them, I think it would’ve been an insane matchup.

 

[MPClinton22]

Miami's starters were more experienced than IU's

Indiana football roster age: How Hoosiers' team of 'adults' compares to NFL's Packers

Indiana is loaded with experience in the College Football Playoff, but don't believe everything you hear.

sports.yahoo.com

They both significantly benefited from the age and experience of their starters - Cignetti is just a way better coach than Cristobal, and Mendoza is a way more clutch player than Beck. Pretty much all it boiled down to.

 

[IRISHDODGER]

Yeah, but Dallas would be able to name the score. They literally would not have to pass the ball unless simply wanted to.

It would be murder.

Didn’t say otherwise. Relative to their competition at the time, both teams were great. Just pointing out that Miami has some all-time greats as well which often gets overlooked when present day fan as are rightfully showing their disdain for their celebration everytime the last undefeated team loses.

 

[ACamp1900]

I love the era comparison stuff. I always find it fascinating. If you take the two teams, you'd have to adjust this (at least in my nerd mind) and account for either Dallas coming in with 70s era training or Miami coming in with 90s era training and such. That would level most of that off. It's like the baseball debate, would the Babe be even good in this era and vice versa... yeah, he would destroy this era too, if he were given a bunch of smaller parks, better travel, and MUCH better training, etc., with a tighter ball that travels further, and given time to adjust to it all. If you were to just drop him in straight from his era blind, then yeah,... he'd have trouble catching up to 95 mph slide pieces. The point, I guess, is you needed those eras to get to the now, so in fairness, you'd have to show respect for that while also giving the assumption that, given the opportunity, those who built the lower tiers of the pyramid would still excel if given the ability to stand on those tiers as those today do.

 

[sixstar]

UCF went from 0-12 to 13-0 beating the SEC West champ in the Peach Bowl within 2 years without the transfer portal or NIL. IU is a combo of good coaching, NIL, efficient use of the portal and some good luck avoiding injuries.

seriously, nobody cares what the University of Crappy Football did almost a decade ago. Congrats on beating 0 top-20 opponents and one of the worst teams in the SEC though.

 

[BleedBlueGold]

I think more of the board would be willing to entertain accusations of cheating for sure. If it was a SEC doormat like Miss St.? This board would have 3 separate threads dedicated how they were cheating. I get some of the people on here hate Indiana because they live in the state, but a lot of people also have warm feelings towards them because they are from Indiana and maybe have ties to the university in some way.

Ironically, the great state of Indiana acted like they didn't care much when ND was in the championship last year (outside of actual ND fans, that is). Likewise, I can't see the same reaction from the entire state if Purdue suddenly became a powerhouse and went to the title game. But yeah, something about IU got a lot of people in this state to become united. I know a bunch of Purdue people who cheered for IU over Miami. I was dumbfounded by that.

 

[jerseyborn1971]

seriously, nobody cares what the University of Crappy Football did almost a decade ago. Congrats on beating 0 top-20 opponents and one of the worst teams in the SEC though.

There it is!

One of the worst teams won the SEC West??? How did that work?

2017 National Champions per the Colley Matrix

 

[jerseyborn1971]

I wouldn't say a G5 team winning against a G5 schedule and beating an Auburn team with starters opting out is quite the same as running the table in a P4 conference and winning the playoff. Frost didn't exactly replicate that UCF success at Nebraska. There's probably a lot more oversight at Nebraska too, we don't know if he cut corners at UCF.

From a coaching perspective, what's the difference?

G5 players vs G5 players
P4 players vs P4 players
G5 team vs G5 schedule
P4 team vs P4 schedule

 

[Sea Turtle]

Ironically, the great state of Indiana acted like they didn't care much when ND was in the championship last year (outside of actual ND fans, that is). Likewise, I can't see the same reaction from the entire state if Purdue suddenly became a powerhouse and went to the title game. But yeah, something about IU got a lot of people in this state to become united. I know a bunch of Purdue people who cheered for IU over Miami. I was dumbfounded by that.

It's not called the State of Purdue or the State of Notre Dame.

Every Hoosier(anybody who lives in the State of Indiana for those who dont know)identifies with the Indiana Hoosiers.

The only exception would be hard-core Purdue alums. But even my best friend is a Purdue Alum and he pulls for Indiana too because he grew up an Indiana fan and obviously knows I went there.

 

[jerseyborn1971]

That is not how it works in Florida, that's for sure. Then again, how most things work in Florida is not in line with normal society.