Kurt “The Truth” Cignetti

[Kingbish01]

Who’s mad? Stated how dumb this is until there is evidence and how petty it sounds. What did I use some language that hurt you?

I actually agree that it's pretty lame/bush league to call everyone that is doing big things a "cheater"

But it's the culture...If Jax goes on to win the SB some simps outside of Jacksonville will just claim "they cheated" and other simps will jump on board. Then it's a nice circle jerk.

 

[Jimmy3Putt]

Dang you guys are thin skinned. My post could have been a lot more abrasive.

Thin skinned? I found your post legitimately funny! I probably read it wrong, but it came off as you were upset at the discussion.

I don’t care either way, but find the topic fascinating.

 

[Dale]

I actually agree that it's pretty lame/bush league to call everyone that is doing big things a "cheater"

But it's the culture...If Jax goes on to win the SB some simps outside of Jacksonville will just claim "they cheated" and other dinos will jump on board. Then it's a nice circle jerk.

Jacksonville isn’t doing things the NFL has never seen before.

It’s interesting people can’t refute that it’s at least possible without completely changing the point

Do I think they are cheating? As of today probably not. Do I think it’s worth a message board joke at the possibility? Sure! That’s all

 

[Jimmy3Putt]

The last decade have taught me to not ignore rumors about cheating and scandals.

Heck, almost every conspiracy theory over the past 60 years have apparently turned out to be true. Why is it so wrong to look into rumors of this magnitude?

 

[Kingbish01]

Jacksonville isn’t doing things the NFL has never seen before.

It’s interesting people can’t refute that it’s at least possible without completely changing the point

Is it possible...of course. But everyone just crying foul and starting down the "cheating" path is pathetic to me. I'd feel a certain way about myself if I ran around talking that noise with no real evidence. It's just screams "salty" to me.

 

[NDFAN420]

I wasn't trying to be a dick lol, you seem to know enough about statistics in your original post that I wouldn't mind talking with you about it, maybe in a thread where people aren't trolling each other.

Neither was I, ha. Chalk it up to the difficulty of interpreting intentions on a message board! Thanks for clarifying. I'd be happy to discuss this or anything else with you sometime.

 

[Huntr]

Is it possible...of course. But everyone just crying foul and starting down the "cheating" path is pathetic to me. I'd feel a certain way about myself if I ran around talking that noise with no real evidence. It's just screams "salty" to me.

How many IE posters in this thread are saying they're cheating, tho? 0?

 

[Kingbish01]

How many IE posters in this thread are saying they're cheating, tho? 0?

I have no idea, I'm speaking in general terms, nothing to do with IE. I skim some, so I can't even name a single poster that said they are cheating. I'd assume it's coming from other B10 teams....that are salty.

 

[irishandy]

I'll be glad when this season is over.

Either way ND will be tied to this game- Pat Coogan, "the ND transer" or Miami, where it all started by beating ND.

Love's career at ND shouldn't have ended the way it did....

 

[Huntr]

I have no idea, I'm speaking in general terms, nothing to do with IE. I skim some, so I can't even name a single poster that said they are cheating. I'd assume it's coming from other B10 teams....that are salty.

Well, it's 0.

The commentators saying they are, or might be, aren't really confined to just one fanbase, though. Someone posted that other B1G coaches suspect it to be true.

 

[Kingbish01]

Well, it's 0.

The commentators saying they are, or might be, aren't really confined to just one fanbase, though. Someone posted that other B1G coaches suspect it to be true.

Of course they do 🙄😉🤣

 

[tirishman505]

I don't really view Indiana as a team that "jumped" per se, more so that the rest of the country got demonstrably worse. And for good reason: a lot of COVID super seniors are gone and teams are breaking in younger talent. that, along with the portal, means most teams are worse this year than last. Except IU, which basically brought back everyone meaningful from last year's team, have a number of people that have played in this system for 4 years, and were good about who they added in the portal.

Correlated: Comparing this IU team to the 2019 LSU is insane. I don't care about the stats; I think they just prove my point about the rest of CFB.

 

[IrishinSyria]

Math says otherwise.

again, important not to confuse the pre NIL/portal era with the current one.

Stocking up on five stars increases the odds that you end up with a bunch of good players. But another way to increase the odds of playing with good players is to load up on players who have already played and proven they could hold their own.

 

[FWIrish4]

If we really want to ramp this convo up, go look at their oline roster pics (specifically Coogan vs his ND roster pic) and let me know what you think.

They all had picture day after a month bender at Kilroy’s or….

 

[IrishinSyria]

Jacksonville isn’t doing things the NFL has never seen before.

It’s interesting people can’t refute that it’s at least possible without completely changing the point

Do I think they are cheating? As of today probably not. Do I think it’s worth a message board joke at the possibility? Sure! That’s all

Ok but “this has never been seen before” is a weak ass argument when we’re playing by an entirely new set of rules.

I’m also not sure it’s entirely true. I remember eg Urban at Utah and Saban at bama turning teams around very quickly.

 

[laughingirish92]

Why is it surprising that a team that went 11-2, lost to only the #1 and #2 teams in the sport, returned several key pieces on O and D, and upgraded at OL and added the Heisman trophy winning QB is dominating?

i'm guessing people are saying or speculating that they are cheating because they are beating teams like OSU and Oregon who have a lot of 4 and 5 star talent while they have a team loaded 3 star players from JMU and elsewhere

 

[JerseyIrishMan]

 

[Bane]

My thoughts:

-Curt Cignetti is a great coach and he has IU playing above it's collective potential because they are very disciplined and well prepared.

-They are clearly cheating in some way. I'm sorry, but this isn't Hollywood and this shit just doesn't happen. Curt Cignetti did not just become the New Saban in his 60s and the Bad News Bears squad at IU hasn't gone 26-2 the past two seasons because work hard, take their vitamins, and say their prayers. What they did last year was somewhat plausible as a team that caught everyone by surprise, but when they went up against far more physically talented teams they were shut down. To go from being blown off the field by ND to beating Alabama and Oregon by a combined like 70 points in 12 months is extremely suspicious.

-People on here have a soft spot for Indiana either because that's actually their favorite team (NDfanatic), or they're from Indiana, or they just like to see the "little guy winning" but if another program that was doing what Indiana was doing more of you would be suspicious. Everyone on here knows, every single SEC team was cheating for decades by paying players, but somehow the thought that Indiana could have gained an illicit competitive advantage is just "sour grapes" and "how dare you" beyond the pale. Give me a break.

-I disliked Cignetti long before I thought IU might be cheating for reasons not related to anything like that, and me believing they are cheating now doesn't make dislike him more.

-I hope they blow out Miami and get busted cheating later on. No fanbase deserves to cry about having a title "stolen" from them more than Miami fans.

 

[Classic Irish]

-People on here have a soft spot for Indiana either because that's actually their favorite team (NDfanatic), or they're from Indiana, or they just like to see the "little guy winning" but if another program that was doing what Indiana was doing more of you would be suspicious.

Yeah, if this were Rutgers instead of Indiana, more folks would be suspicious.

 

[FOTY977]

My thoughts:

-Curt Cignetti is a great coach and he has IU playing above it's collective potential because they are very disciplined and well prepared.

-They are clearly cheating in some way. I'm sorry, but this isn't Hollywood and this shit just doesn't happen. Curt Cignetti did not just become the New Saban in his 60s and the Bad News Bears squad at IU hasn't gone 26-2 the past two seasons because work hard, take their vitamins, and say their prayers. What they did last year was somewhat plausible as a team that caught everyone by surprise, but when they went up against far more physically talented teams they were shut down. To go from being blown off the field by ND to beating Alabama and Oregon by a combined like 70 points in 12 months is extremely suspicious.

-People on here have a soft spot for Indiana either because that's actually their favorite team (NDfanatic), or they're from Indiana, or they just like to see the "little guy winning" but if another program that was doing what Indiana was doing more of you would be suspicious. Everyone on here knows, every single SEC team was cheating for decades by paying players, but somehow the thought that Indiana could have gained an illicit competitive advantage is just "sour grapes" and "how dare you" beyond the pale. Give me a break.

-I disliked Cignetti long before I thought IU might be cheating for reasons not related to anything like that, and me believing they are cheating now doesn't make dislike him more.

-I hope they blow out Miami and get busted cheating later on. No fanbase deserves to cry about having a title "stolen" from them more than Miami fans.

10/10 perfect no notes.

 

[Jiggafini19Deux]

There's well prepared and then there's "we know what's coming." How and why you know what's coming is up for debate, but the more I see of them, the more it looks like they're very aware of what is going to happen before the ball is even snapped.

At some point, these two coordinators are going to have to turn down head coaching job offers. They're both very good.

Indiana also has an average age on their roster of 23. I believe the Green Bay Packers average age is 25.

 

[IRISHbluehen]

Cig is a great coach and this is one of the best coaching jobs we've seen in 30+ years. That said, he'll always be a coward bitch for punting at the plus 40 down 27-3.

 

[50milesSE ND]

The few games that Ihave watched teams they play seem almost over it. They act like no matter what they try it won’t work. Which is amazing if they are that well coached and prepared! However that is with few superstars if that matters. I get when alabama of saban was nfl caliber everwhere imposing there will, but this is weird!

 

[stlnd01]

My thoughts:

-Curt Cignetti is a great coach and he has IU playing above it's collective potential because they are very disciplined and well prepared.

-They are clearly cheating in some way. I'm sorry, but this isn't Hollywood and this shit just doesn't happen. Curt Cignetti did not just become the New Saban in his 60s and the Bad News Bears squad at IU hasn't gone 26-2 the past two seasons because work hard, take their vitamins, and say their prayers. What they did last year was somewhat plausible as a team that caught everyone by surprise, but when they went up against far more physically talented teams they were shut down. To go from being blown off the field by ND to beating Alabama and Oregon by a combined like 70 points in 12 months is extremely suspicious.

I do believe there's more parity than college football has seen in a long time. And Indiana is a veteran, well-coached and fundamentally-sound team, kind of in the model of the Harbaugh-era Stanford teams.
But it is notable that when those Stanford teams - or this year's other mid-major upstarts like Vandy and Texas Tech - came up against other well-coached teams with clearly superior talent, they lost and it wasn't that close. Much like Indiana did last year. This year they are blowing those teams out. What changed?

 

[50milesSE ND]

I can understand good analytics, and narrowing down possible plays. While also looking closely at clues by players to make even better guess at what play will be run.

 

[Jiggafini19Deux]

Cig is a great coach and this is one of the best coaching jobs we've seen in 30+ years. That said, he'll always be a coward bitch for punting at the plus 40 down 27-3.

That's where I'm at with it at the moment. It's just bizarre watching it in real time, mostly because it's Indiana. They have been dominant more often than not this season. Complete culture shift and it took two years. It's pretty remarkable.

I think everyone is going to be trying to copycat this now.

 

[jerseyborn1971]

His superpower is identifying the best, most mature players on teams that aren't very good. Pays them more than anyone else and then really does coach them on the X's and O's of a weekly gameplan better because they don't have to worry about developing them. Some other staff already did. It's a sink or swim deal though when you're trying to do that every season in the portal though. Miss on a few guys and the whole thing comes crumbling down.

 

[Jiggafini19Deux]

They look at analytics and production. They'll be a portal program. He wants guys he knows can do it, not recruits who haven't proven anything.

We'll see if the model sustains itself long term, but they have one of the largest living alumni bases on the planet. The money will keep rolling in as long as they win. They have a basketball tradition that hasn't been bettering itself for a while and now the football program is cracking skulls every week.

I think it says about our current sports culture and society that their success is being questioned as something that could be illegitimate. Knowing they went to Oregon and won 20-10, I thought the game would be more competitive. It wasn't even halftime and I had Netflix on. At one point, I thought to myself "Oregon has absolutely no clue."

 

[jerseyborn1971]

Interested to see if the portal thing changes for them. The first 2 years it was guys that weren't big names, but productive. The money probably wasn't as much. This year they are landing big names that come with higher NIL deals. How does that play out if they don't dominate again next year? Do they overspend on the Hoover's and Marsh's of the world at the expense of getting 4 players for that money? Or do they just keep emptying their pockets? ANd if they do that, again, what happens if they come in 4th in the Big 10 next year and don't make the playoff? Will the basketball boosters be willing to keep throwing money at the football program?

 

[Dale]

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