Kelly's Comment

[DCirishfan]

Word on the street is that it pays above minimum wage.

I think it's like a 60 k a year gig right, not enough to deal with this horrible position. Especially for such a no name program.

 

[N_D_Fighting_Irish]

I think your credibility is crap because you haven't made one single good contribution to this site yet. I have read all of your posts and not one of them added anything postive to a conversation. I get in debates daily on this site and I dont always leave the argument agreeing with them, but I usually respect their opinion. Since you have been here all you have done is bag on Kelly, bag on Rees and bag on veteran posters of the site.

I got news for you, I am not asking you to care what I think. I am just telling you what everybody that is reading your posts is thinking. Add something to the site, or go over to NDNation and join their circle-jerk of negativity.

Disgrace??? How in the hell does a guy with less than 20 posts know what is valued here and whats not? Read more and post less newbert.

Excuse me? Can you point to one positive thing or reasonable point you made when you attacked me?

Apparently you are the arbiter of what is positive and negative. Any critical comments of Kelly and Rees are negative and are verboden. I am kinda new to this site. Can you please provide a list of subjects immune to criticism.

Regarding veteran posters, I don't believe I have "bag[ged]" anyone. I may differ with some posters here and I will state my side of the issue. So offering a different point of view of a veteran poster here is not allowed?

By the way, Brian Kelly apologized. All the arguments that defended him carry no weight now. It wasn't a motivational tactic; because if it was, why would he apologize? If the guys he didn't recruit had an "entitlement" issue, why would he apologize? He screwed up.

In spite of Kelly, I think we can still run the table (if we limit our mistakes and Kelly would plan a more balanced attack).

 

[woolybug25]

Excuse me? Can you point to one positive thing or reasonable point you made when you attacked me?

Apparently you are the arbiter of what is positive and negative. Any critical comments of Kelly and Rees are negative and are verboden. I am kinda new to this site. Can you please provide a list of subjects immune to criticism.

Regarding veteran posters, I don't believe I have "bag[ged]" anyone. I may differ with some posters here and I will state my side of the issue. So offering a different point of view of a veteran poster here is not allowed?

By the way, Brian Kelly apologized. All the arguments that defended him carry no weight now. It wasn't a motivational tactic; because if it was, why would he apologize? If the guys he didn't recruit had an "entitlement" issue, why would he apologize? He screwed up.

In spite of Kelly, I think we can still run the table (if we limit our mistakes and Kelly would plan a more balanced attack).

I dont know how many times I have to say this until it sinks into your dense head. You have not made one single posts that contributed anything positive yet. All you have done is pooh pooh stuff. Go post in another thread and add something to a conversation to build some creditibility or you will continue to be seen as a negative @sshole by everyone on here. So far, you have done nothing but instigate. People on here have a wide array of views and nothing is past criticism, but dont come on this site and do nothing but bitch, moan and instigate arguments with people. Add something to a conversation or GTFO.

 

[DonnieNarco]

These comments aren't made if the juniors and seniors play well enough to win. They have no one to blame but themselves.

 

[N_D_Fighting_Irish]

I dont know how many times I have to say this until it sinks into your dense head. You have not made one single posts that contributed anything positive yet. All you have done is pooh pooh stuff. Go post in another thread and add something to a conversation to build some creditibility or you will continue to be seen as a negative @sshole by everyone on here. So far, you have done nothing but instigate. People on here have a wide array of views and nothing is past criticism, but dont come on this site and do nothing but bitch, moan and instigate arguments with people. Add something to a conversation or GTFO.

You have some entitlement issues. I haven't had any issues with anybody here. You feel entitled to speak for everyone here. Your propensity to litter your posts with curse words reveal how weak and invalid your points are. Do me a favor and ignore my posts and move on. Pretty please with sugar on top.

 

[kmoose]

Excuse me? Can you point to one positive thing or reasonable point you made when you attacked me?

Apparently you are the arbiter of what is positive and negative. Any critical comments of Kelly and Rees are negative and are verboden. I am kinda new to this site. Can you please provide a list of subjects immune to criticism.

Regarding veteran posters, I don't believe I have "bag[ged]" anyone. I may differ with some posters here and I will state my side of the issue. So offering a different point of view of a veteran poster here is not allowed?

By the way, Brian Kelly apologized. All the arguments that defended him carry no weight now. It wasn't a motivational tactic; because if it was, why would he apologize? If the guys he didn't recruit had an "entitlement" issue, why would he apologize? He screwed up.

In spite of Kelly, I think we can still run the table (if we limit our mistakes and Kelly would plan a more balanced attack).

Slow down there, probie. I welcomed you and tried to steer you away from what I thought was a path that was likely to make your stay here much less enjoyable..... and you got contrary with me.

You're certainly entitled to see life through your own eyes. But let me share something with the younger, idealistic members of the board: Just because you have the right to do something, that doesn't mean that it is always wise to exercise that right: You have the right to date whomever you want, and to get out of a relationship that you feel is going nowhere. Despite that right, it's probably not wise to break up with your girlfriend the day after she announces to everyone that she has some life threatening, debilitating disease.

Everyone is assuming that this has to do with an attitude of entitlement. What I heard was Kelly talking wanting his team to play a certain style of football. He went on to say that some guys won't play that style, and some guys can't play that style. He then mentioned that you could see the guys that he recruited, and had his hands on. I took it to mean that he is getting guys in that fit his style of play, while some of the guys left over from the previous coach don't fit his style of play. I didn't hear him question anyone's commitment, or their passion, or even their mental toughness. I heard him say that the guys he recruited, he recruited because they fit his style and he develops them to play in his system. Meanwhile, some of the upperclassmen do not fit his style. And some of those guys are just not physically suited for it. The others, who are just playing the same way they have since youth football....... it will take him and his coaches longer to develop those guys.

 

[Dizzyphil]

I just watched the video and personally, I do not see anything wrong with what Coach Kelly said. One can be condemned of stating the truth. I can see where some Seniors and Juniors take it the wrong way but, these upper-classmen were recruited to fit a different system and now are having to change. Hopefully they will see what Kelly is trying to accomplish and teach and make the adjustments.<?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-comfficeffice" /><o></o>
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[N_D_Fighting_Irish]

Slow down there, probie. I welcomed you and tried to steer you away from what I thought was a path that was likely to make your stay here much less enjoyable..... and you got contrary with me.

You're certainly entitled to see life through your own eyes. But let me share something with the younger, idealistic members of the board: Just because you have the right to do something, that doesn't mean that it is always wise to exercise that right: You have the right to date whomever you want, and to get out of a relationship that you feel is going nowhere. Despite that right, it's probably not wise to break up with your girlfriend the day after she announces to everyone that she has some life threatening, debilitating disease.

Everyone is assuming that this has to do with an attitude of entitlement. What I heard was Kelly talking wanting his team to play a certain style of football. He went on to say that some guys won't play that style, and some guys can't play that style. He then mentioned that you could see the guys that he recruited, and had his hands on. I took it to mean that he is getting guys in that fit his style of play, while some of the guys left over from the previous coach don't fit his style of play. I didn't hear him question anyone's commitment, or their passion, or even their mental toughness. I heard him say that the guys he recruited, he recruited because they fit his style and he develops them to play in his system. Meanwhile, some of the upperclassmen do not fit his style. And some of those guys are just not physically suited for it. The others, who are just playing the same way they have since youth football....... it will take him and his coaches longer to develop those guys.

My question and I think some of the upperclassmen's question is why go to the media. You win as a team and you lose as a team. I firmly believe everyone has bought into his system. What Kelly did in my opinion is place blame for a crushing loss on the upperclassmen. Even if Kelly is right (which I don't think he is), why go to the media and basically air dirty laundry. Who gains? Not the team. So why go to the media? Is the pressure getting to Kelly? I think it is. Nothing he has done in the past could have prepared him for the amount of pressure a ND coach experiences.

 

[phork]

This team, I fear, is lost for this year. Apologies really don't make things right in the minds of these athletes and memories run deep. It is going to be a long rest of the year year fellas, just hope we can make the Champs Sports Bowl. A death spiral is not out of the realm of possibility.

Calling out your players, driving a spike between "your" guys and "the other" guys and then apologizing for it has all the trademarks of Lost The Team cliche.

 

[military_irish]

Well let's enjoy Te'o now. He is gone.

 

[anarin]

Kelly lit the fire under the players bottoms and apparently the fans bottoms too.

So much hate before kickoff!! Lets turn that towards Navy!!!

 

[woolybug25]

You have some entitlement issues. I haven't had any issues with anybody here. You feel entitled to speak for everyone here. Your propensity to litter your posts with curse words reveal how weak and invalid your points are. Do me a favor and ignore my posts and move on. Pretty please with sugar on top.

That's funny, because reading through your posts, you have gotten in arguments with several posters. One of which, kmoose, corrected you immediately after you posted this. As I said, you havent made a single positive post yet. Every one of your posts is negative or argumentative. Do you even know what "entitlement" means? If so, what does me telling you that you are an ahole have to do with entitlement?

 

[Dizzyphil]

My question and I think some of the upperclassmen's question is why go to the media. You win as a team and you lose as a team. I firmly believe everyone has bought into his system. What Kelly did in my opinion is place blame for a crushing loss on the upperclassmen. Even if Kelly is right (which I don't think he is), why go to the media and basically air dirty laundry. Who gains? Not the team. So why go to the media? Is the pressure getting to Kelly? I think it is. Nothing he has done in the past could have prepared him for the amount of pressure a ND coach goes through.

Well, Kelly didn't go to the media,...they came to him and asked a legitimate question and Kelly gave an honest answer. Would you rather he lie or skirt the question or issue and give a false sense of understanding of what Kelly is trying to accomplish? Coach Kelly has ‘fallen on the sword’ many times for this team and what he is doing is putting some of the blame on the players. At some point, they (the players, especially the leaders - seniors) need to take some accountability for the poor playing at times.<?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-comfficeffice" /><o></o>
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[Te'o4Heisman]

Well let's enjoy Te'o now. He is gone.

Obviously by my handle, I am a huge Manti fan, but he has been quite pedestrian this year. I can't recall one big play he has made all year come to think of it. He has MISSED a few big plays, he was driven back into the secondary on nearly half the running downs against USC, and I dont believe he has forced a TO all year. Most of his tackles have come 4 or 5 yards down field, so while there have been a lot of them, they haven't really been too impacting. Unfortunately for us, Carlo is brutal, and unless Shembo moves inside or somebody like Grace or Rabasa really elevates their game and develops in the next 6 months, the ILBs could be a major weakness should Manti bolt. By the way, Fox played a halfway decent game against SC and he is really coming along as the season has progressed.

 

[Irish Houstonian]

It's not like you have to be in love with your coach to play well. 80% of football is just loving kicking the crap out of someone.

 

[IrishinSyria]

Well, Kelly didn't go to the media,...they came to him and asked a legitimate question and Kelly gave an honest answer. Would you rather he lie or skirt the question or issue and give a false sense of understanding of what Kelly is trying to accomplish? Coach Kelly has ‘fallen on the sword’ many times for this team and what he is doing is putting some of the blame on the players. At some point, they (the players, especially the leaders - seniors) need to take some accountability for the poor playing at times.<?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-comfficeffice" /><o></o>
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Yes. Yes I would. Team>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>fans +media.


Anyways, I think we can all agree that the real losers here are the "fans" that took to twitter to call out the players. It's one thing to have healthy, heated discussion, it's a whole different beast to directly attack college students who have, despite inconsistent results, worked their assess off. Especially when you would never have the stones to say such things to their face.

 

[Dizzyphil]

Yes. Yes I would. Team>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>fans +media.


Anyways, I think we can all agree that the real losers here are the "fans" that took to twitter to call out the players. It's one thing to have healthy, heated discussion, it's a whole different beast to directly attack college students who have, despite inconsistent results, worked their assess off. Especially when you would never have the stones to say such things to their face.

I would like to see where we as fans can grade where the players worked thiers assess off. Wouldn't you or anyone think that Kelly can determine who and who is not working their asses off? Apparently that cannot be said about the games we lost? But I guess we can all agree with you that we worked and played our asses off in the U$C and USF games.

Diz

 

[phgreek]

If any of the guys on this team can step on their dicks, theyre in the wrong line of work playing football...

Not even sure thats available...I think that crowd is looking for something akin to a sausage not a pancake....step on it that many times and I see pancake...

But it is consistent with our theme of missed opportunities...I guess

 

[domerfor life]

Here's what I say. I really haven't posted or read anything ND related since that game Saturday. That game was painful to watch in the 2nd half. They started off extremely slow. When ND finally got into it, you could tell that they were a better team. Brian Kelly is right. Three plays on offense stand out in my mind and they all involve UPPERCLASSMEN:

1. Cierre gets a 3-5 yd gain on a screen pass that should have(AT MINIMUM) been a 1st down if not a TD, but he dances instead of running North-South. Could've went into halftime down 17-14 despite slow start.
2. Dayne Crist fumbles the snap with a chance to tie the score. To make matters worse, he doesn't corral the fumble and watches USC return it 99 yds. That was an egregious blunder. (unforced)
3. Cierre lets a pass to the flats go RIGHT THROUGH HIS HANDS. (unforced) Not to mention the times he danced instead of hitting the hole.

This doesn't include the defense getting absolutely gashed in the run game. I'm sorry, but ND is a paper tiger. Some of these guys, for whatever reason, don't seem to have the mental makeup to play championship fball when the pressure's on. Saturday was a golden opportunity and they let it slip right through their fingers (no pun intended). If they're offended so be it. Play smarter football when the pressure is turned up and there's more at stake. Just my take guys. Not trying to bash, but it was painful to watch them wilt. They are better than this. Step it up!

 

[N_D_Fighting_Irish]

Well, Kelly didn't go to the media,...they came to him and asked a legitimate question and Kelly gave an honest answer. Would you rather he lie or skirt the question or issue and give a false sense of understanding of what Kelly is trying to accomplish? Coach Kelly has ‘fallen on the sword’ many times for this team and what he is doing is putting some of the blame on the players. At some point, they (the players, especially the leaders - seniors) need to take some accountability for the poor playing at times.<?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-comfficeffice" /><o></o>
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The criticism should have been kept in-house. If Kelly gave an honest answer, I am more discouraged. Isn't Kelly responsible for preparing the team. If Kelly feels certain players are not putting the effort, should he not bench those players. Shouldn't he work those players harder than those who show initiative. I don't have any problems with benching a player for not performing.

Telling the media that some players have not bought in as a possible reason for our failures is not holding players accountable...it is an excuse for the failures. Leaders should not offer excuses...Coach Kelly is the leader of this team. Furthermore, I have not heard one player offer excuses for their play. They have towed the line... which makes Kelly's comments more underhanded.

 

[domerfor life]

I also think Brian Kelly should take a look in the mirror as well. They seemed unprepared for what USC threw at them even though that's what USC has done this whole season. The fact that USC can talk trash and say stuff like "we quit" just kills me.

 

[NDTH91]

Here's what I say. I really haven't posted or read anything ND related since that game Saturday. That game was painful to watch in the 2nd half. They started off extremely slow. When ND finally got into it, you could tell that they were a better team. Brian Kelly is right. Three plays on offense stand out in my mind and they all involve UPPERCLASSMEN:

1. Cierre gets a 3-5 yd gain on a screen pass that should have(AT MINIMUM) been a 1st down if not a TD, but he dances instead of running North-South. Could've went into halftime down 17-14 despite slow start.
2. Dayne Crist fumbles the snap with a chance to tie the score. To make matters worse, he doesn't corral the fumble and watches USC return it 99 yds. That was an egregious blunder. (unforced)
3. Cierre lets a pass to the flats go RIGHT THROUGH HIS HANDS. (unforced) Not to mention the times he danced instead of hitting the hole.

This doesn't include the defense getting absolutely gashed in the run game. I'm sorry, but ND is a paper tiger. Some of these guys, for whatever reason, don't sem to have the mental makeup to play championship fball when the pressure's on. Saturday was a golden opportunity and they let it slip right through their fingers (no pun intended). If they're offended so be it. Play smarter football when the pressure is turned up and there's more at stake. Just my take guys. Not trying to bash, but it was painful to watch them wilt. They are better than this. Step it up!

Yeah, but how likely is it that a play would NOT involve an upperclassman? It's not like we're starting 19 freshmen and 3 upperclassmen...

Don't get me wrong, I know what BK is saying, and I don't mind his comments at all, but I don't think it's fair to put all of our on-the-field mistakes on "the upperclassmen" because the underclassmen haven't been put in the position to make those mistakes.

 

[Dizzyphil]

The criticism should have been kept in-house. If Kelly gave an honest answer, I am more discouraged. Isn't Kelly responsible for preparing the team. If Kelly feels certain players are not putting the effort, should he not bench those players. Shouldn't he work those players harder than those who show initiative. I don't have any problems with benching a player for not performing.

Telling the media that some players have not bought in as a possible reason for our failures is not holding players accountable...it is an excuse for the failures. Leaders should not offer excuses...Coach Kelly is the leader of this team. Furthermore, I have not heard one player offer excuses for their play. They have towed the line... which makes Kelly's comments more underhanded.

You have 20 posts, in 15 of them you have contradicted yourself. Do you proof-read your posts??? Well, in this instance you are correct, no player has offered an excuse - taken responsibility for thier play. And do you know what an underhanded comment is? A malicious statement that is disguised to be a respectful one. <?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-comfficeffice" /><o></o>
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[IrishLax]

The criticism should have been kept in-house. If Kelly gave an honest answer, I am more discouraged. Isn't Kelly responsible for preparing the team. If Kelly feels certain players are not putting the effort, should he not bench those players. Shouldn't he work those players harder than those who show initiative. I don't have any problems with benching a player for not performing.

Telling the media that some players have not bought in as a possible reason for our failures is not holding players accountable...it is an excuse for the failures. Leaders should not offer excuses...Coach Kelly is the leader of this team. Furthermore, I have not heard one player offer excuses for their play. They have towed the line... which makes Kelly's comments more underhanded.

Ummm... they also haven't really offered any accountability. See Tebow's speech after the Ole Miss loss. Trust me, if these guys were coming out and speaking like that it would be a totally different story.

At the end of the day players make plays. These guys do not, and then whine about it. Not exactly characteristics of a mentally or physically tough football team.

If they come out today and play lights out it will be a sign that Kelly was able to light a fire under their *** and get them to play for pride. If they don't play that way, it will prove once and for all that these players are soft.

 

[Dizzyphil]

I also think Brian Kelly should take a look in the mirror as well. They seemed unprepared for what USC threw at them even though that's what USC has done this whole season. The fact that USC can talk trash and say stuff like "we quit" just kills me.

I agree with that as well. I feel the 'team' needs sit back and have reality check and all take notice of what is going on. Kelly has taken on most of the flack, as he should. But, at some point, players need to take it on as well; not all of it, but at some point they need to get it on!!

Good point-

Diz

 

[Irish Fam]

I have seen the video and read "expert's" opinions on it, but I don't plan on reading all 22 pages of this thread. That being said, I am not real happy about BK saying this. I am less happy about the player's reaction. Twitter? Thats ridiculous. Sac up and go talk to your coach if you have an issue. Or, just make some ****ing plays.

 

[kmoose]

My question and I think some of the upperclassmen's question is why go to the media. You win as a team and you lose as a team. I firmly believe everyone has bought into his system. What Kelly did in my opinion is place blame for a crushing loss on the upperclassmen. Even if Kelly is right (which I don't think he is), why go to the media and basically air dirty laundry. Who gains? Not the team. So why go to the media? Is the pressure getting to Kelly? I think it is. Nothing he has done in the past could have prepared him for the amount of pressure a ND coach experiences.

Ok........logic trap #2........... It's not like Kelly sought the media out, and asked them for time to complain about this kids, so don't try to make it sound like that's the equivalent of what happened. He was asked a question, at what looked like a regular Q&A session with the media. He answered it. The questioner must not have thought that Kelly's answer was sufficient, so he asked again. Kelly answered a little bit differently. The questioner was still not satisfied, and asked again: at that point, Kelly seemed kind of frustrated. And what "dirty laundry" did he air? That no one is stepping up to return punts like a D-IA returner should? That our secondary needs to get better in pass coverage? Boy, I really wish he wouldn't let all of our secrets out!

Kelly could have, and probably should have, handled the question much better. But you could see where Kelly was going. He was concerned that the questioner was trying to get Kelly to say that it was harder to turn ND around, as compared to other places he has been, because of the type of kids that ND gets.

 

[NDFan4Life]

I also think Brian Kelly should take a look in the mirror as well. They seemed unprepared for what USC threw at them even though that's what USC has done this whole season. The fact that USC can talk trash and say stuff like "we quit" just kills me.

And which ND player came out and contradicted Galippo's & Barkley's statement? Not a single one. Don't you think that if the players took any responsibility for their play, one would at least say something? From that perspective, it looks as though they honestly don't care whether they play like champions or like "quitters".

 

[Riddickulous]

I have seen the video and read "expert's" opinions on it, but I don't plan on reading all 22 pages of this thread. That being said, I am not real happy about BK saying this. I am less happy about the player's reaction. Twitter? Thats ridiculous. Sac up and go talk to your coach if you have an issue. Or, just make some ****ing plays.

I'm not pleased with either party.

Coaches calling out the players for performing poorly despite horrible preparation for USC.

Senior players complaining publicly.

 

[domerfor life]

Yeah, but how likely is it that a play would NOT involve an upperclassman? It's not like we're starting 19 freshmen and 3 upperclassmen...

Don't get me wrong, I know what BK is saying, and I don't mind his comments at all, but I don't think it's fair to put all of our on-the-field mistakes on "the upperclassmen" because the underclassmen haven't been put in the position to make those mistakes.

I'm not putting all the mistakes on the upperclassmen. In THIS game however, there were critical mistakes made by upperclassmen. I think another factor is that most of the upperclassmen don't have alot of experience in big-game situations. Think about our record over the past 4 yrs. Not alot of big wins, is there? Having talent is one thing. Having talent and proven experience is a whole different ball game. It's still a process. doesn't make it any less painful though. That being said, who (as a player) steps up and says that we're not going to accept this (ala Tim Tebow). Coach challenges your manhood (whether right or wrong) and instead of analyzing the comment you take offense and go to twitter? That tells me all I need to know. That's soft behavior right there (sensitive). Just get out on the field and show the coach that HE'S WRONG!!