Kelly's Comment

[Irish Insanity]

Who thinks we burn some more redshirts tomorrow?

I hope we do.

 

[GoldenIsThyFame]

Who were you thinking?

No one in particular.

Have any underclassman OL played this year?

These upperclassmen are either gonna accept the challenge or they are gonna bail. If the latter happens will BK sit them?

 

[enrico514]

Kelly just said what many ND fans and former players have thought for way too long... Good 4 Kelly!!! This team has no leadership on the field and the upperclassmen need to wake the **** up.

 

[Irish2015]

I think honestly I could see BK sitting Manti for maybe a quarter. His actions tonight were horrible he didn't even look like he was a part of the team from where he was standing. I understand he's upset, but come on don't sulk in public.

 

[Te'o4Heisman]

Brian Kelly named Salvi, a walk-on as the gameday captain tomorrow. The man is committed to getting his message across. Good for him.

 

[HereComeTheIrish]

I think honestly I could see BK sitting Manti for maybe a quarter. His actions tonight were horrible he didn't even look like he was a part of the team from where he was standing. I understand he's upset, but come on don't sulk in public.

Give me a break.

 

[Te'o4Heisman]

Also, any way to change a handle on here? Lost a ton of respect for Manti as a player and person in the past 2 days. Some of it is immaturity, but as somebody else noted he has shown a different side of himself all year to some degree and Im not entirely impressed.

 

[Irish2015]

Give me a break.

Were you at the pep rally and saw him sulk? I've been to every pep rally (sadly) and he always stands in the front row with in arms reach of Kelly, tonight was different.

 

[yankeehater]

I have one name to say that would have stopped this all this from happening if he was a ND player: TEBOW. Remember what happened when Florida lost to a lesser team. He stepped to the mike and told everyone listening that he would never let this happen again and Florida never lost again. ND just got their butts kicked by their so-called biggest rival and then were called out by them for quitting and you could hear a bird chirp. Not one Senior or Junior stepped up like a TEBOW. This was a moment for a Te'o or Smith or KLM and no one showed the leadership. Kelly had to cover for everyone and if a leader came forward I assure you that Kelly would not have had to make those comments.

 

[JoeyGetherall]

I have one name to say that would have stopped this all this from happening if he was a ND player: TEBOW. Remember what happened when Florida lost to a lesser team. He stepped to the mike and told everyone listening that he would never let this happen again and Florida never lost again. ND just got their butts kicked by their so-called biggest rival and then were called out by them for quitting and you could hear a bird chirp. Not one Senior or Junior stepped up like a TEBOW. This was a moment for a Te'o or Smith or KLM and no one showed the leadership. Kelly had to cover for everyone and if a leader came forward I assure you that Kelly would not have had to make those comments.

First post is a Tebow blast. Can you say walk off shot? Retire now brah.

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[Dacian_Irish]

This is what has turned me off to professional football. So many players act as if they are bigger than the game and they have no allegiance to a team. College football is supposed to be different but in the last ten years ESPN has turned it into a circus and ND has been a circus for a long time too. We constantly parade as if we are part of the elite in college football. Why? What have we won recently? And some of the players act as if they are owed something. No! They need to shut up and play football! The current team has been on this path for a long time. I wanna see some passion. How do you get mad at Kelly and post how upset you are but not say anything on the USC comments. Props to the one who brought it up.

I don't care who plays tomorrow but I want to see some fight!

 

[IlovethehireofCoachKelly]

Brian Smith on Twitter:

Brain Smith was slow...the end.

 

[GoIrish2917]

Please forgive them father for they know not what they do... They may have good intentions - but 222 posts in and it is still the same BS... can we please turn the focus on Navy?

 

[Who'saWildManNow]

Please forgive them father for they know not what they do... They may have good intentions - but 222 posts in and it is still the same BS... can we please turn the focus on Navy?

Who are you talking about?

I'd say it's a little more vital to the program that the players turn their attention to Navy, instead of crying on twitter. We are on a forum with multiple threads for multiple discussions. If you want to focus on Navy, go to the thread labeled "NAVY".. I'll see you in there at some point when I'd like to discuss that game.

 

[JoeyGetherall]

Please forgive them father for they know not what they do... They may have good intentions - but 222 posts in and it is still the same BS... can we please turn the focus on Navy?

This is your second post complaining about this. Is someone forcing you to watch this thread?

 

[kmoose]

Please forgive them father for they know not what they do... They may have good intentions - but 222 posts in and it is still the same BS... can we please turn the focus on Navy?

via Twitter:

@NavalAviator Getting ready to kamikaze #ND
5 hours ago

 

[PADOMERNUT]

Please forgive them father for they know not what they do... They may have good intentions - but 222 posts in and it is still the same BS... can we please turn the focus on Navy?

There is a Navy game thread if you want to talk about it. Why are you offended by other people having a conversation. If you dont like it, go to another thread. Simple as that.

 

[Pachuco]

Please forgive them father for they know not what they do... They may have good intentions - but 222 posts in and it is still the same BS... can we please turn the focus on Navy?

No disrespect, but I think the focus is on Navy.

If you need me to explain how, then this thread just isn't for you.

 

[PADOMERNUT]

Also, any way to change a handle on here? Lost a ton of respect for Manti as a player and person in the past 2 days. Some of it is immaturity, but as somebody else noted he has shown a different side of himself all year to some degree and Im not entirely impressed.

In what way? Not arguing, really just curious as to what you or others have seen

 

[Ludzil#1]

You don't motivate a team by calling them out to the media and creating a massive rift between "your guys" and acting like those you inherited are some secondhand trash.

I'm a pretty big BK fan, but that was embarrassing. If Lane Kiffin or any coach for that matter had pulled that, everyone would be up in arms.

As for those who say he's their coach, not their friend, very true. To play for a coach he doesn't have to be your friend, but he needs your respect. Comments like these destroy respect.

Whenever you get someone as grounded and thoughtful as Manti to declare he's playing for his upperclassmen and thats it, there's an issue. If I'm a coach, I'd like my players to be playing for me, the team/school, or at least all the players.

I couldn't agree more. Do the majority of players even respect Brian Kelly any longer? This is all very embarrassing.

 

[yankeehater]

RESPECT BRIAN KELLY? How about the players taking some accountability and showing some pride. In 50 years, they will not be asked if they respected their coach but what did they accomplished on the field. Right now they are 4-3 so have fun telling that to all of their grandchildren.

 

[Pachuco]

In what way? Not arguing, really just curious as to what you or others have seen

One thing that I've witnessed occurred during a presser when a reporter butchered his name, and he acted like he had never been there before. His reaction struck me as out of character. Then again, not many are Manti Te'o, and no one likes a name slaughtered.

I remember when Manti first came in to Notre Dame, he often differed to the leadership of the upperclassmen when praise was bestowed on him. As he made clear early on, it was a cultural affront to not pay respect to those who were teaching him the way and helping him become acclimated to life at ND.

 

[IrishLax]

1. I know there is a lot of opinions on what happened yesterday with Kelly's comments from the coaching staff/players/fanbase but here is the thing...........its 100% truth.

2. What Kelly said in the moment was not as bad as being reported/overreactions of the players. But here is something that think about.

3. "You can see the players that I recruited here. You know who they are. We’ve had one class of recruiting kids that I’ve had my hand on. The other guys here are coming along. But it’s a process, it can’t happen overnight. They’re getting there. They’re making good progress. We’re 4-3, very easily could be a lot better than that. If we take care of the ball when it’s 17-10 on the one-yard line, who knows what happens. I don’t want to paint a picture that we’re so far away that we can’t get to them, but it’s a process, we keep banging them every day. It’s the old cliche, keep banging the sledgehammer against the wall and you don’t see the cracks and then one day it cracks down. We’re still banging at it."

" It’s more about how I want things done. How I want this team to play. I haven’t been able to get it the way I want them to play. So for me, if they’re going to do all the things the right way and we’re just getting beat because the other teams are better, I’ll be OK with that. But that’s not the case right now. I’m not very happy about the way we handle the little things. I don’t want to get into too much detail."

4. That is what Kelly said, courtesy of IrishIllustrated's transcript. If you are a member there, go watch the video of him saying it.

5. For certain players to take it as they took it...that says exactly what Kelly was pointing out dont you think? Adversity/spotlight/expectations/etc are higher than most at ND. With him saying what he said, then getting the response from the players in the way he did.....its just showed the fanbase what he is really working with. A comment made and the response. Its black and white.

6. Self Entitlement. As much as I liked Coach Weis as ND's coach and as a person...he brought Self Entitlement into ND. It needs to leave. Whether it means we lose a player(s) that would have been asked for a 5th year or have upperclassmen sulk the last 5 games of the year...I will bet the house that self entitlement will be out of the program next season. Kelly has the choice to ask guys back, and if they aren't right you can bet your *** he won't. They are not entitled to a 5th, and they aren't owed anything by ND.

7. Kelly has won at EVERY school he has been to. He has built a dynasty before. I am going to ride with him over a 20 year old superstar that is making a 3-4 year stop for football.

8. And to be honest. You can tell a difference in the players Kelly has brought in. Ishaq Williams. The young man is totally thrown into a different culture than what he has experienced the last 18 years of his life. He is homesick, not getting a ton of PT, and had the opportunity to go home. But he stayed to learn his position. To get better. Stephon Tuitt. He tracked down Brian Hardin over the summer to open up the film room on a Friday night. Kona/Hounshell sacrificed potiential redshirts for all they knew 1 game. GA3 bringing an element that hasnt been at ND for years on sp teams. Collinsworth...switching positions. Bringing it all on SpTeams. Louis Nix. Sure he was recruited by Weis and committed when we didnt have a coach. But he has bought 110% into Kelly. Got his weight down, and is committed to keeping it down. Committed to ND and not transferring after last year. Tee Shepard...does anything and everything ND tells him to do just so he can get here in January. I mean the kid sacrificed his senior season of high school football to come to ND. Greenberry...pleaded with ND for an offer. Worked his *** off over the summer to prove that he was worth the offer. Baratti- hasnt played safety since his early high school days, wanted to play QB in college, yet he will be making a move he more than likely doesnt want to entirely make when he gets to ND.

9. ND will be fine. There are going to bumps, but its going to show where this team is going on how they respond. Saturday is a huge game for many reasons.


ps. attacking them on twitter/facebook isnt going to make yourself or the players feel any better. to those that have you have written absolutely ridiculous things that are uncalled for.

I've been away from IE all day so I don't know how much I've missed here... but wow. This post hits the nail on the proverbial head.

I have been debating going on a rant here to explain how utterly disappointed I am in the players' reactions... but instead I think I'll just opt for a personal example.

Two years ago in a game against Penn State that our men's lacrosse team was winning handily... a sophmore midfielder by the name of Max Pfeifer went offside causing a turnover. This kind of infraction is the equivalent of an offsides on 3rd and 4 to give up a first down in football. Big deal? Yeah, sorta. But not nearly as big of a deal as fumbling the ball on the 1 and having it returned for a TD, etc.

Our coach, Kevin Corrigan, pulled Pfeifer out of the game and absolutely ripped into him. It was so over the top. I still remember much to this day as he was basically foaming at the mouth. It went something to the effect of "MAX PFeIFER!! God damn it Max Pfeifer. YOU HAVE ONE JOB ON THAT PLAY. One F*CKING job...." and it went on and on and on. Absolutely berating the guy in front of everyone. The media a couple feet away, all of his teammates, the other coaches, etc.

A weak, entitled guy might have packed up, quit the team and transferred. Instead, Max Pfeifer is going to be a leader on the team this year and one of our best midfielders. That is the difference between Pefifer and some of these whiney, spoiled players who have been speaking out on twitter boggles my mind. And football is supposed to be a sport for the strong!!!!!!

I am so disappointed. So freaking disappointed. These reactions 100% validate Kelly's point. Instead of respecting the coach, taking criticism to heart and getting better/ready to kick some ***... they start whining on twitter. Whining. Football players whining. And the comments were pretty innocuous... really, not bad at all.

If you heard what our hockey players, soccer players, lacrosse players, etc. hear from their coaches and how they react versus how the players are reacting to this mild "challenge" (if you can even call it that... seriously...) and it is night and day. Sad. Very, very sad.

 

[BobD]

We may need a doctor to pay some of these boys a visit before the game tomorrow, it appears some have lost their marbles.....if ya know what I mean.

 

[tadman95]

The more I've thought about the first seven games, the only person I've seen get pissed off is Kelly. Why is that? Shouldn't we see a player upset about something?

I think that's what Kelly is trying to get across.

 

[tussin]

I couldn't agree more. Do the majority of players even respect Brian Kelly any longer? This is all very embarrassing.

Honestly, who cares if the upperclassmen "respect" BK? The majority of those guys are scrubs who have accomplished literally nothing at ND in their 4 years. They should all be fighting for respect, not acting upset when their coach calls them out for being the career losers that they are. Sounds harsh, but it's true. The upperclassmen are losers.

 

[BeauBenken]

And I'm still trying to figure out why anybody got butthurt by what Kelly said...

 

[enrico514]

The more I've thought about the first seven games, the only person I've seen get pissed off is Kelly. Why is that? Shouldn't we see a player upset about something?

I think that's what Kelly is trying to get across.

Kelly and former players seem to care more than our upperclassmen.

 

[IrishLax]

And I'm still trying to figure out why anybody got butthurt by what Kelly said...

Exactly. You have to have absolutely no stones or pride to get so "hurt" by those comments to make the comments they did. Shame. I'm praying it was just a moment of weakness from them and not what they deep down believe...

 

[BeauBenken]

Exactly. You have to have absolutely no stones or pride to get so "hurt" by those comments to make the comments they did. Shame. I'm praying it was just a moment of weakness from them and not what they deep down believe...

I haven't really seen anything, and I really don't want to look through 16 pages. Care to share?