ISIS

[Buster Bluth]

Russia is not a developing county it is a re-structuring country and .2% might be a little too low considering they do not have the restrictions/embargos that other countries have.

Developing countries according to the IMF:

 

[frankygoes69]

wikimedia?

 

[BobD]

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[AvesEvo]

I don't know much about IS, but from what I do know, they are bad news. But to say that it is part of a prophecy should be avoided at all costs, IMO. If people start to label the rise of IS as prophecy, we are going to have many Christian religious extremists/terrorists come out of the woodwork and we absolutely do not need that!

 

[frankygoes69]

Good call, YOU!

 

[dshans]

One big problem is we approach this as a political war and to them it's a holy war.

The difference?

Elaborate, Elucidate and Illuminate, please.

All too often one becomes the other as the "other" becomes "the one."

Lines are drawn. All too thin and all too often deadly.

History is littered with the bones of religious/political zealots.

There are far, far too many innocents whose ashes rest in the rubble of arrogance.



I am getting old
The mushroom cloud beckons me
Grows in its decay

 

[frankygoes69]

Exactly! If you could see what most of the fighters say when asked what they are fighting for. They don't know!

 

[BobD]

House Intel Chair: ISIS, Al Qaeda Now Competing Who Can Hit the West Hardest

 

[frankygoes69]

Why do I keep teaching my kids that being a good " " is the best way to be and to treat others? Why don't I feed them full of the same shit that is spilling thought he internet?

Hate and kill everything not us. Destroy everyone not within the same category. That's easy enough, but I will not do that!

 

[Jebediah Springfield]

House Intel Chair: ISIS, Al Qaeda Now Competing Who Can Hit the West Hardest

Both want to conduct attacks in the West for that region, guess what, that means we lose at the end. If either one ever those organizations is successful we lose."

What?

If we are attacked 'we lose'? What kind of battle is lost by being hit by an attack.

 

[frankygoes69]

Who is "we"? Not everyone, everything, and all is lost by an attack. Think, who would benefit from an attack!

 

[BobD]

I don't know much about IS, but from what I do know, they are bad news. But to say that it is part of a prophecy should be avoided at all costs, IMO. If people start to label the rise of IS as prophecy, we are going to have many Christian religious extremists/terrorists come out of the woodwork and we absolutely do not need that!

I don't really buy into the prophecy thing, but some do. I do think this issue isn't receiving the attention it needs to be getting and I'm afraid it's going to become one of those things where we look back and wonder why we didn't react when we saw the train coming. I tried to make the thread title attention getting.

 

[dshans]

What?

If we are attacked 'we lose'? What kind of battle is lost by being hit by an attack.

Look up "Pyrrhic Victory." A classic lose-lose situation.

Too oft repeated.

As an inveterate and unrepentant pacifist and peacenik I reject force as a means to an end, regardless of the perceived benefit.

Go figure.

 

[frankygoes69]

No, no, no.....

Please remove yourself from wiki links. Someone always looses and someone always wins, no matter how short of a time it may be..... Someone in some aspect will win!

 

[dshans]

..... Someone in some aspect will win!

"Win" can be an elusive concept, subject to time, perspective and attitude. And to the perceptions of the"winner," of course.



But don't ask me what I think of you
I might not give the answesr that you want me to

Oh, well.



fleetwood mac - oh well (1969) - YouTube

 

[BGIF]

Prophecy takes a hit

Prophecy takes a hit

Iraqi and Kurdish troops re-take control of Mosul Dam from Islamic State | Fox News


I expected ISIL to blow the dam before they lost it.

Kudos to the Kurds!

 

[dublinirish]

Look up "Pyrrhic Victory." A classic lose-lose situation.

Too oft repeated.

As an inveterate and unrepentant pacifist and peacenik I reject force as a means to an end, regardless of the perceived benefit.

Go figure.

or see War, Vietnam for the same lesson.

 

[enrico514]

Many in the Musliam community are quick to say that it's a political war over there too, all of it. Religion is just how it's sold to the masses.



Well, if Iran and the United States are working together on this one, it says something about how disliked ISIS is.

No one in the middle east, with power, supports them. Iraq? No. Jordan? No. Syria? No. Turkey? No. Saudi Arabia? No.

A number of the countries you mentioned have been implicated in financing ISIS

"more dangerous for us" kinda seems alarmist to me, and I'm on record saying that I want these pieces of shit butchered. They have an impossibly long way to go before they become an existential threat to the United States or the Western world.



Because geopolitics is all economics.

Russia has severely damaged their reputation around the world, even with China (which does a lot of work in Ukraine apparently). We live in a global economy and you cannot be a great country without excelling in it. Invading the Ukraine, funding rebels in the Ukraine, and shooting down passenger jets with hundreds of Europeans on them is no way to facilitate trade and economic progress, not when economies depend on import/export and international banking.

In an economic stand off with the west, Russia is so much more to lose it's not even funny. They will see food shortage threats and food prices rise this winter, guaranteed. Economic growth will slow to a crawl because of Russia's returned sanctions, and the (extremely powerful) billionaires in Russia will get antsy. Interest rates will rise, spending will fall, and he economy will stall.

The IMF projects .2% growth for Russia this year. They aren't the US (ie developed economy), they are a developing country and need rates much higher than that.

Then throw in that the invasion of Ukraine cost them an immediate $50 billion, and yeah Putin isn't doing Russia any favours.

Russia has definitely been pushed closer to China and continues to have the support of most if not all BRIC countries.

Didn't realize Russia was proven to have shot down passenger jets with 100s of civilians on them... still waiting for the proof on that one!



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[notredomer23]

Does anyone know the actual number of ISIS militants?

 

[ozzman]

Does anyone know the actual number of ISIS militants?

a lot more than the 2000 that was quoted when they took Mosul back in early June.

 

[BGIF]

Iraqi and Kurdish troops re-take control of Mosul Dam from Islamic State | Fox News


I expected ISIL to blow the dam before they lost it.

Kudos to the Kurds!

WHOOPS! the article title says "Re-Take" but according to live CNN on site coverage now the battle is still in progress!

 

[notredomer23]

a lot more than the 2000 that was quoted when they took Mosul back in early June.

My thought as well. Because the highest number I have seen is like 8000, but there is no way they have such a vast territory with just 8000 fighters.

 

[BGIF]

My thought as well. Because the highest number I have seen is like 8000, but there is no way they have such a vast territory with just 8000 fighters.

The took control of mostly small villages and drove out the Iraqi army from a few cities that from the coverage seems to have fled more than being beaten in battle. The ISIL "territory" was then drawn by connecting the dots. A concerted effort by the Iraqi army could probably re - take much of the territory but then they have to hold it with a small police force. Typical guerrilla law situation.

 

[BobD]

WHOOPS! the article title says "Re-Take" but according to live CNN on site coverage now the battle is still in progress!

It would be an awesome win. Like you, I also thought they might blow the dam before giving it up.

 

[BGIF]

My thought as well. Because the highest number I have seen is like 8000, but there is no way they have such a vast territory with just 8000 fighters.

30,000 - 50,000 according to this 6 day old Huff Post article.

 

[BGIF]

It would be an awesome win. Like you, I also thought they might blow the dam before giving it up.

Considering how destructive they are I figured any target like the dam or the refinery that they couldn't hold they would destroy rather than leave for the enemy. Knocking out electricity, flooding Baghdad would underscore the ineffectiveness of the Iraqi government and army. Taking out the refinery takes out a source of revenue from their enemy. Typical guerrilla tactics.

 

[BGIF]

CNN just broke into their Ferguson coverage with a live report from Iraq. Anna Coren who is embedded with the Peshmerga troops announced they re-taken the Mosul Dam with the help of American air power.

Kudos to the Kurds!

 

[BobD]

CNN just broke into their Ferguson coverage with a live report from Iraq. Anna Coren who is embedded with the Peshmerga troops announced they re-taken the Mosul Dam with the help of American air power.

Kudos to the Kurds!

Very good news!

 

[BobD]

Congressional Dems critical of Obama's efforts on ISIS, say 'mission is lost' | Fox News

 

[BobD]

ISIS Baffling U.S. Intelligence Agencies - The Daily Beast

ISIS Is About to Destroy Biblical History in Iraq - The Daily Beast