"ISD Intel"

[NDisme]

Thanks for posting, Now that Diaco is gone he is starting to piss me off, I like guys over 6' too but if the kid can play who cares, look at someone like tim Jennings in Chicago, hes like 5'7" and is a very solid corner so I get that you can like guys 6' or over but it seemed like it was THE deal breaker for diaco which is just too close minded

 

[ryno 24]

It doesnt really bother me there are certain qualities that coaches want out of prospects. The only thing that would need to change is that he needs to open up to a much wider net.

 

[irishfan]

New Intel...
-Quotes from sources on Tillery being solid. As I've said previously, IMO he is the one guy of the three committed to really watch because he will get so much negative recruiting from a couple angles (Stanford, LSU, etc.) and a ton of pressure to stay home over the next year. He's going to have to stick to his guns. But for now, not really anything at all to worry about per sources.
-Barnett is solid. Basically, every school in the country wants him, and he effectively has an offer from everywhere. That's just the way it goes when you have an elite QB committed, but there is no reason at all to believe he's not on campus next January as long as nothing happens to Kelly.
-Riggs will play corner.
-New Ol prospect ND is evaluating is Tyler Jordan from Florida.
-Some info on other junior prospects... one thing that stuck out is that Justin Tranquill may get an offer at junior day. Justin said that Diaco didn't want to recruit him because Bob wanted all his players over 6' tall. BVG has told him he's just looking for ball players and doesn't have any "must be this big" limits. So Tranquill could be offered for either side of the ball... your quintessential "athlete."

He's gonna be SOL when it comes to recruiting at UCONN unless he changes this philosophy.

 

[Damion704]

Thanks for posting, Now that Diaco is gone he is starting to piss me off, I like guys over 6' too but if the kid can play who cares, look at someone like tim Jennings in Chicago, hes like 5'7" and is a very solid corner so I get that you can like guys 6' or over but it seemed like it was THE deal breaker for diaco which is just too close minded

+1

 

[rocket66]

So the Crawford offer is probably also using the angle of "you weren't tall enough for Diaco, but he's gone now so we want you".

 

[irishog77]

He's gonna be SOL when it comes to recruiting at UCONN unless he changes this philosophy.

Yep. You're already reducing the amount of quality football players you can bring into your program because, well, you're UCONN...but now it's reduced even more because players don't fit into certain height/weight parameters. Bob will be lucky to get 3 3-stars a cycle unless he changes.

 

[ryno 24]

First of all at Notre Dame you can be much more selective so if he wants to make sure he hits a profile I do not have a problem with that. That is what led our physical defense at the point of attack. Second, there are still a lot of players that fit his profile that are UCONN quality. They may be slower and may need much more development, but there are still a lot of players out there

 

[irishog77]

Sure. But he's playing a game with diminishing returns.

He's at a school that hasn't even been DI long; although they've been to a bcs bowl, they've been bad enough recently to let their coach go (in other words, they're not very good); he's in a region that doesn't produce much HS talent; he's at a school and in a region that isn't conducive to bringing kids in from outside the region (i.e. bad weather and Storrs, CT); other schools exist; other schools offer the same or better attributes as UCONN; for argument's sake, let's say there are 250 potential recruits for him to go after-- now he's cut that number down even more because he's fixated on the recruits being a certain height and weight.

So ultimately, how many quality kids can he bring there IF he doesn't change up his philosophy on offering kids? Not many.

It's simply playing the odds and ratios. Why give yourself even less of a competitive advantage?

 

[ryno 24]

We will see what he has learned I am guessing he got greedy at ND. At Cinci I know they didnt have near the profile for height and weight there and did fine. I also think he will be playing against smaller players.

Though I have hope in BVG I have no idea how good he is going to be at ND and in fact his last coordinators job scares me, so I am not dismissing Diaco's defense nor his style that quickly.

 

[woolybug25]

Sure. But he's playing a game with diminishing returns.

He's at a school that hasn't even been DI long; although they've been to a bcs bowl, they've been bad enough recently to let their coach go (in other words, they're not very good); he's in a region that doesn't produce much HS talent; he's at a school and in a region that isn't conducive to bringing kids in from outside the region (i.e. bad weather and Storrs, CT); other schools exist; other schools offer the same or better attributes as UCONN; for argument's sake, let's say there are 250 potential recruits for him to go after-- now he's cut that number down even more because he's fixated on the recruits being a certain height and weight.

So ultimately, how many quality kids can he bring there IF he doesn't change up his philosophy on offering kids? Not many.

It's simply playing the odds and ratios. Why give yourself even less of a competitive advantage?

I see this going another way. At Uconn, you aren't hamstrung by academics, rigorous school schedules, etc. So you can pull from juco and go after under the radar type guys that can be "moved out" later if they don't pan out. So, for lack of better words, "Football First Guys". If that is the case, it will be probably easier to recruit on measurements. He can grab guys that all of the big schools can't get and also not have to worry about taking chances on guys with great athleticism, but little football skill.

At ND, it limits your pool because of the pool we play in. Uconn plays in a different pool.

 

[irishog77]

I see this going another way. At Uconn, you aren't hamstrung by academics, rigorous school schedules, etc. So you can pull from juco and go after under the radar type guys that can be "moved out" later if they don't pan out. So, for lack of better words, "Football First Guys". If that is the case, it will be probably easier to recruit on measurements. He can grab guys that all of the big schools can't get and also not have to worry about taking chances on guys with great athleticism, but little football skill.

At ND, it limits your pool because of the pool we play in. Uconn plays in a different pool.

Sure, there's some truth here.

How many "football first" guys are gonna want to go to UCONN though? Why not go to a school where football IS first instead?

Look, my whole point is that I was agreeing with irishfan-- I think BD will need to change up some of his old philosophies to be a successful head man at UCONN.

 

[Bogtrotter07]

Thanks for posting, Now that Diaco is gone he is starting to piss me off, I like guys over 6' too but if the kid can play who cares, look at someone like tim Jennings in Chicago, hes like 5'7" and is a very solid corner so I get that you can like guys 6' or over but it seemed like it was THE deal breaker for diaco which is just too close minded

Is it that he is starting to piss you off now? Or that he was before and you just didn't know it?

My friends from the Cinci program, who didn't want to lose Kelly, definitely saw us getting Diaco as part of the package, as a silver lining. I have approached this with detached empirical observations. I have heard about five little behaviors, or philosophies like these and have seen that three of them are confirmed in his time at ND.

But you have to take the good with the bad. Remember back to when Kelly came in; our defense was embarrassing. He at least generated a lot of enthusiasm, and got people jumping around, and built up the talent level at most defensive positions.

In the long run I think it will filter out that we were glad that we had him, and we were glad when he left, not a year earlier, nor a minute later.

I think we are going to love BVG, and his less "elite" approach to tearing other teams up!

We will see what he has learned I am guessing he got greedy at ND. At Cinci I know they didnt have near the profile for height and weight there and did fine. I also think he will be playing against smaller players.

Don't bet on it!

Though I have hope in BVG I have no idea how good he is going to be at ND and in fact his last coordinators job scares me, so I am not dismissing Diaco's defense nor his style that quickly.

What don't you like about BVG's time at Auburn. He tried to come in and run a system, the team was in open rebellion against the head coach. They wouldn't give his system much of a chance. His defense probably was responsible for most of the (3) victories, that Auburn had that year. The fact than his next jump in was at ND, should speak volumes about BVG. Also, BK's press conferences, and the end of the signing year should give you ample evidence that he has "it."

 

[irishfan]

Just looking at the three classes under Diaco (not counting 2010 when Kelly was just hired and not counting this past class), Diaco needs to change his approach. Our lack of DT and MLB signees was alarming, and honestly we hung in this past year at those positions with Weis recruits (Carlo, Fox, Moore, Nix, Stockton). The only Kelly/Diaco recruits to make any impact at MLB or DT were Grace and Jones and Schwenke (obviously Springmann would have as well).

2011 Class
--DT: Springmann
--MLB: Grace
2012 Class
--DT: Day (more of a DE), Jones
--MLB:
2013 Class
--DT: Vanderdoes
--MLB: Deeb

4 DTs and 2 MLBs in three years. It doesn't make any sense, those are Willingham O-Line numbers

 

[Cackalacky]

What don't you like about BVG's time at Auburn. He tried to come in and run a system, the team was in open rebellion against the head coach. They wouldn't give his system much of a chance. His defense probably was responsible for most of the (3) victories, that Auburn had that year. The fact than his next jump in was at ND, should speak volumes about BVG. Also, BK's press conferences, and the end of the signing year should give you ample evidence that he has "it."

Auburn was an unmitigated disaster in 2012. F/+ ranks them at 119 offensively (only better than Illinois) and 100 defensively. They also played the 14th ranked DSOS.

Its no wonder he left after 1 season. I am actually surprised he took it as Auburn ranked 92 in 2011 defensively (F/+ ranking).

 

[pkt77242]

Just looking at the three classes under Diaco (not counting 2010 when Kelly was just hired and not counting this past class), Diaco needs to change his approach. Our lack of DT and MLB signees was alarming, and honestly we hung in this past year at those positions with Weis recruits (Carlo, Fox, Moore, Nix, Stockton). The only Kelly/Diaco recruits to make any impact at MLB or DT were Grace and Jones and Schwenke (obviously Springmann would have as well).

2011 Class
--DT: Springmann
--MLB: Grace
2012 Class
--DT: Day (more of a DE), Jones
--MLB:
2013 Class
--DT: Vanderdoes
--MLB: Deeb

4 DTs and 2 MLBs in three years. It doesn't make any sense, those are Willingham O-Line numbers

Actually 4 DTs in 3 years is completely fine for a 3-4. You don't really need a bunch of DTs if only one is playing at a time. Now the MLB recruiting is downright criminal.

 

[ryno 24]

His job at Auburn was not great, but not entirely his fault. I just do not want to make him the new defensive savior in February when in September people may be complaining about his defense. He may be very good I am saying lets not dismiss what Diaco has done for us so far.

 

[stlnd01]

Our lack of DT and MLB signees was alarming, and honestly we hung in this past year at those positions with Weis recruits (Carlo, Fox, Moore, Nix, Stockton). The only Kelly/Diaco recruits to make any impact at MLB or DT were Grace and Jones and Schwenke (obviously Springmann would have as well).

4 DTs and 2 MLBs in three years. It doesn't make any sense, those are Willingham O-Line numbers

I generally agree in principle, but would note that Nix, Moore and Schwenke were all in the same class. You can't count some of them for Diaco and some of them against him.
Also adding Vanderdoes and Anzalone to the mix would make things - at least from a recruiting perspective - look a lot better right now.

 

[ulukinatme]

His job at Auburn was not great, but not entirely his fault. I just do not want to make him the new defensive savior in February when in September people may be complaining about his defense. He may be very good I am saying lets not dismiss what Diaco has done for us so far.

Eh, I'm not on the BVG bandwagon yet either, not till I see results, but I'm not exactly upset that Diaco is gone. He had his share of ups and downs, and we definitely got a couple good years out of his defense. We certainly could have been better this year though, even before injuries. Disappointing performances against Navy (Not just this year, injuries probably had a bigger part in that), uninspired and simple play calling in the title game against 'Bama, poor job with fundamentals this year, play calling, etc. Certainly it wasn't all bad, and I think Diaco is a reason this team turned around (Along with some good recruiting early and leadership). I just wasn't swoonin' over Bob and his hair. Maybe by this time next year I'll be begging him to come back, but for now I'm interested to see what BVG can cook up.

 

[Irish Man3]

Solid Intel this week.

Obviously the good news on Hilliard.

Elijah Taylor is most likely to commit and the only other prospect with an offer besides Hilliard.

Expects Barajas & maybe Boykin to get an offer.

Really good stuff on Lovette. Would pick ND as his leader and expects other analysts to do the same shortly.

Staff told Evan Mallory we were full at guard.

Alex Ofodile will visit sometime this spring. Likely the spring game with his father. As will Reid and Clark.

Ohio LB is not coming because he hasn't talked to his position coach at ND.

Isaiah Langley has legit interest and his coach will be heavily involved in his recruitment and he really likes ND.

 

[PANDFAN]

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[IRISHbluehen]

Not too much recruiting stuff today but a lot of good team related info.
First the recruiting info:
--Good chance we lead for all 4 of the players that had/got offers at JR day.
--According to a source, we have a big lead for Barajas, he will be back to visit again this spring.
--Elijah Taylor will also be back sometime this spring.
--ISD staff feels good about Hilliard. Will probably not be deciding anytime soon.
Team info:
--EG has really impressed so far.
--Skill players that have impressed: CBrown, CRobinson, WFuler, ACarlisle, TFolston, GBryant, CMcDaniel
--Oline has the chance to be very impressive and the lineup os very fluid at this time.
--Zaire and Smythe really starting to come on.
--To reiterate about GBryant, he is fully healthy and has been very impressive.

 

[GoIrish41]

Not too much recruiting stuff today but a lot of good team related info.
First the recruiting info:
--Good chance we lead for all 4 of the players that had/got offers at JR day.
--According to a source, we have a big lead for Barajas, he will be back to visit again this spring.
--Elijah Taylor will also be back sometime this spring.
--ISD staff feels good about Hilliard. Will probably not be deciding anytime soon.
Team info:
--EG has really impressed so far.
--Skill players that have impressed: CBrown, CRobinson, WFuler, ACarlisle, TFolston, GBryant, CMcDaniel
--Oline has the chance to be very impressive and the lineup os very fluid at this time.
--Zaire and Smythe really starting to come on.
--To reiterate about GBryant, he is fully healthy and has been very impressive.

Thanks for the update.

 

[Luckylucci]

Not too much recruiting stuff today but a lot of good team related info.
First the recruiting info:
--Good chance we lead for all 4 of the players that had/got offers at JR day.
--According to a source, we have a big lead for Barajas, he will be back to visit again this spring.
--Elijah Taylor will also be back sometime this spring.
--ISD staff feels good about Hilliard. Will probably not be deciding anytime soon.
Team info:
--EG has really impressed so far.
--Skill players that have impressed: CBrown, CRobinson, WFuler, ACarlisle, TFolston, GBryant, CMcDaniel
--Oline has the chance to be very impressive and the lineup os very fluid at this time.
--Zaire and Smythe really starting to come on.
--To reiterate about GBryant, he is fully healthy and has been very impressive.

Basically the entire offense. I love it. I really hope we play fast and put some points on the board.

 

[Pops Freshenmeyer]

It's a little concerning that all the positives seem to be on one side of the ball.

 

[GoIrish41]

After watching last year, I find it hard to believe that Amir is "impressive." I would love to be wrong.

 

[Big23Head]

After watching last year, I find it hard to believe that Amir is "impressive." I would love to be wrong.

To me it looked like it was all confidence for him and he had none by the end. Hopefully he has it figured out.

 

[Luckylucci]

After watching last year, I find it hard to believe that Amir is "impressive." I would love to be wrong.

He was actually very impressive last year during fall ball and started the year with some good runs. However, he had some bonehead mistakes that cost him playing time. He seemed to lose confidence after that.

 

[NDBoiler]

It's a little concerning that all the positives seem to be on one side of the ball.

I can see your point, but maybe it's because of the context? The one point in BlueHen's post specifically identifies impressive "skill players", so that would limit who was included. Bear in mind too that the defense is adjusting to a new scheme/DC, so the offense is probably a good deal ahead at this point.

But then again, maybe we are both reading into this way too much LOL.

 

[NDBoiler]

He was actually very impressive last year during fall ball and started the year with some good runs. However, he had some bonehead mistakes that cost him playing time. He seemed to lose confidence after that.

Common side effect of a disease known as "fumbleitis".

 

[Luckylucci]

We could probably move this info to the Spring Practice Thread. It would allow that thread to get back on track, maybe.