Is Notre Dame the only program that does it the right way?

[ACamp1900]

Tell me this isn't irishpat.

This isn't irishpat.................

 

[Rack Em]

Location listed as TN, but IP address traces back to TX...

Tell me this isn't irishpat.

His conspirator, El Koon, has been noticeably silent recently as well.....................

 

[Sea Turtle]

Quit people get mad when we call out an outlier here because we must be looking to eliminate free speech. (Although my success rate has been really high on finding these types.)

It's not even about free speech. This is a Notre Dame football forum. We should be discussing the program critically as well as in a positive light. The vast majority of my posts are either positive or neutral.

I do think that if you're even more hard core about academics with the football program than STANFORD, then that might be a problem. Or maybe not. But it's certainly worth discussing. And I don't think that the Administration is above criticism.

 

[ulukinatme]

Wait, I thought Sea Turtle was Cack or one of the other guys that was banned around that same time? That was when Sea Turtle popped up.

 

[Sea Turtle]

Turtle, people are beginning to think you're a troll because you've started 7 new threads in the last 9 days. None of the topics involved were unique or important enough to merit its own thread. Your takes can be as pessimistic, "real", etc. as you want; just find an existing thread to post them in. Starting a new thread every day since the Cotton Bowl screams either "I'm looking for attention regardless of the quality of my posts" or "I'm an emotional wreck and demand others join me in my misery regardless of how this board works". Neither one of those is going to win you many friends around here.

To be honest, I never really pay attention to who creates threads. I guess I assumed 7 in 9 days(less than 1 a day) wasn't that much. It is more for me for sure but the Cotton bowl changed things for awhile I suppose.

But your point is taken. Fair enough and thank you for the thoughtful response.

 

[ACamp1900]

Wait, I thought Sea Turtle was Cack or one of the other guys that was banned around that same time? That was when Sea Turtle popped up.

You thought,.... the creator of THIS thread,.... was Cack....

okay, I'm starting to think that it's ulukinatme who is actually irishpat.

 

[ulukinatme]

You thought,.... the creator of THIS thread,.... was Cack....

okay, I'm starting to think that it's ulukinatme who is actually irishpat.

ulukinatme secretly sold his account to me for one complete NES Dragon Quest IV.

 

[GATTACA!]

Feel like Im taking crazy pills. There is literally a 0% chance this thread is made if ND didnt wet themselves and embarrass the living crap out of the school, program, and fanbase on Saturday.

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Aren't there 130 teams now?

 

[johnnycando]

It's not even about free speech. This is a Notre Dame football forum. We should be discussing the program critically as well as in a positive light. The vast majority of my posts are either positive or neutral.

I do think that if you're even more hard core about academics with the football program than STANFORD, then that might be a problem. Or maybe not. But it's certainly worth discussing. And I don't think that the Administration is above criticism.

You said this more like an adult than an adolescent school boy troll.

I can respect this take.

And if you’re Cack, I stand corrected in Trollship.

Also let the record show, I give you my sword and ask forgiveness my trespass.

 

[Circa]

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[AllGoldEverything]

Whether this is a troll post or not, I do think it is a relevant and interesting topic to discuss after our bowl game.

I had a cousin who was recruited by most of the big ten and committed and played at Indiana. His major while there was General Studies. General Studies..... I'm not sure what the point of that even is. Needless to say he did graduate with a degree, but nowhere really to go with it. Fortunately, he has made a living as a salesman and high school football coach.

My point being, every school is going to have easier pathways for academics for their athletes. Does Notre Dame? I have no idea. I doubt they do.

The question is should they have a pathway that isn't too easy, but a bit less rigorous than those that are studying to be an engineer, CEO, or doctor? IMO I think there should be, but without losing our morals or turning into a football factory.

 

[Polish Leppy 22]

Sea Turtle aside...the answer is yes.

Stanford, Northwestern, Duke, Wake Forest off the top of my head. Why? Because of the coaches as much as the school. Never a hint of scandal under their tenures, consistently successful, and incredibly strong academically.

Are they consistent contenders? No. Have they made the CFP? No. Are they still successful given who they are? Yes.

ND should be ecstatic if they go 9-3 or better every year considering the roster they recruit, the schedule, and the miles they travel every year.

 

[Blaise]

Back to back ten win seasons is impressive for Notre Dame. If you think the school should jeopardize what it stands for to be on equal footing of Clemson or Bama it won’t happen.

This run since 2012 minus the disaster season is probably the best we can expect this program to be on a consistent basis

 

[ulukinatme]

Sea Turtle aside...the answer is yes.

Stanford, Northwestern, Duke, Wake Forest off the top of my head. Why? Because of the coaches as much as the school. Never a hint of scandal under their tenures, consistently successful, and incredibly strong academically.

Are they consistent contenders? No. Have they made the CFP? No. Are they still successful given who they are? Yes.

ND should be ecstatic if they go 9-3 or better every year considering the roster they recruit, the schedule, and the miles they travel every year.

I don't know, I think 9-3 should be the bare minimum every year given the roster we DO recruit. We're consistently a top 15 and often a top 10 or better class. It's not Alabama, but you would expect that we have some of the best recruits on hand each season. If you're consistently recruiting well you shouldn't have years we're you're rebuilding, just reloading. Maybe we're finally there again, we'll see. Given metrics, schedules, and the rest I think with the rosters we have we should be hitting 10-2 or better almost every season. Of course, that doesn't factor in the coaching element, and that's where we were severely lacking for many years.

 

[Polish Leppy 22]

I don't know, I think 9-3 should be the bare minimum every year given the roster we DO recruit. We're consistently a top 15 and often a top 10 or better class. It's not Alabama, but you would expect that we have some of the best recruits on hand each season. If you're consistently recruiting well you shouldn't have years we're you're rebuilding, just reloading. Maybe we're finally there again, we'll see. Given metrics, schedules, and the rest I think with the rosters we have we should be hitting 10-2 or better almost every season. Of course, that doesn't factor in the coaching element, and that's where we were severely lacking for many years.

Yeah, good point. I can see 9-3 bare minimum depending on schedule. Look at 2019 for example: if Michigan, USC, Georgia, Stanford, and Va Tech are as good as they should be, 9-3 or 10-2 is a darn good year.

And coaching matters big time for everyone.

 

[stlnd01]

Sea Turtle aside...the answer is yes.

Stanford, Northwestern, Duke, Wake Forest off the top of my head. Why? Because of the coaches as much as the school. Never a hint of scandal under their tenures, consistently successful, and incredibly strong academically.

Are they consistent contenders? No. Have they made the CFP? No. Are they still successful given who they are? Yes.

ND should be ecstatic if they go 9-3 or better every year considering the roster they recruit, the schedule, and the miles they travel every year.

Would add BC, the service academies, BYU. Syracuse is a good school that seems to run a reasonably clean and high-character program, same with Ga. Tech and usually Vanderbilt, though I can't claim to know if football players at those schools take the same majors as regular students.
And there are bigger state-school programs like Wisconsin and Washington under Petersen that seem to try to do things the right way and have been pretty successful at it. (Worth noting both those programs tend to focus more on player development than elite, national, recruiting. But, then, they don't typically have the talent to win the whole thing.)
It can certainly be done, but it is hard to do AND win a national championship in today's environment.

As for a "reasonable" expectation for Notre Dame, I'm in the 10 wins=success camp, too. There are so many variables in any given season that I don't want to declare less than that to be a firing offense, but given our resources and recruiting I think that's a fair bar for a successful season.

 

[Sea Turtle]

Whether this is a troll post or not, I do think it is a relevant and interesting topic to discuss after our bowl game.

I had a cousin who was recruited by most of the big ten and committed and played at Indiana. His major while there was General Studies. General Studies..... I'm not sure what the point of that even is. Needless to say he did graduate with a degree, but nowhere really to go with it. Fortunately, he has made a living as a salesman and high school football coach.

My point being, every school is going to have easier pathways for academics for their athletes. Does Notre Dame? I have no idea. I doubt they do.

The question is should they have a pathway that isn't too easy, but a bit less rigorous than those that are studying to be an engineer, CEO, or doctor? IMO I think there should be, but without losing our morals or turning into a football factory.

Great post.

 

[stlnd01]

My point being, every school is going to have easier pathways for academics for their athletes. Does Notre Dame? I have no idea. I doubt they do.

The question is should they have a pathway that isn't too easy, but a bit less rigorous than those that are studying to be an engineer, CEO, or doctor? IMO I think there should be, but without losing our morals or turning into a football factory.

Very few Notre Dame football players study engineering or pre-med. I think I read that Tranquil and Mustipher were the first players to graduate with engineering degrees in more than 15 years. I can only remember a small number in recent times who were pre-med (Andrew Hendrix, for one).

Whenever I've seen breakdowns of ND football player majors there tends to be a lot of Film, Television and Theater, Sociology and broad business subjects like Management. That sort of stuff. These are not "football player" majors like Kinesiology at Michigan. They are completely legit courses of study that regular students take too (I majored in American Studies at Notre Dame, as did a few football players). But I think most students would agree they can be less demanding than, say, engineering or many of the hard sciences.

So, in a sense, there is an athlete track. It's just not a track that is exclusive to athletes or outside the parameters of the typical Notre Dame student's classroom experience. Also everyone has to take a core curriculum (including math, science and language) that's probably not required everywhere. So our guys actually do have to be student-athletes. But they don't have to be chemical engineers.

 

[Circa]

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