Indianapolis Colts Football

[Luckylucci]

The fact remains Brady and Belichicks legacies are handcuffed together. IMO, one or both has ALOT to lose with a split, and isnt worth it for either party.

People wont care that Brady is 70 years old and may not have anything left in the tank , if he bombs somewhere else, thats the story.

People wont care that the Pats roster isnt what it was a few years ago, and if if BB bombs post-Brady, thats the story.
They need each other, until the curtain drops


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I wouldn't agree with that at all. In 30 years nobody will care how Brady ends his career. They'll be looked back on as the winningest Coach/QB duo ever. This last 1-2 years is meaningless. This coming from a guy that hates the Patriots. Their legacies are gold from here on out.

 

[IrishSteelhead]

I wouldn't agree with that at all. In 30 years nobody will care how Brady ends his career. They'll be looked back on as the winningest Coach/QB duo ever. This last 1-2 years is meaningless. This coming from a guy that hates the Patriots. Their legacies are gold from here on out.

I wasnt looking that far ahead lol, just what the present chatter would be. Both are GOATS, all know this.


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[Irish2155]

Seeing reports that the Colts traded pick 13 to the Niners for Deforest Buckner.

Don't know too much about Buckner except that he was All Pro and is the second highest paid DL in the league behind Aaron Donald. And that SF had a nasty DL last year.

Thoughts....???

The price was a bit high but if he can sure up that side of the line of scrimmage then I think it's worth it. To me this confirms the Colts are in win now mode and I wouldn't be surprised if a Rivers signing was soon to follow.

 

[Blazers46]

Seeing reports that the Colts traded pick 13 to the Niners for Deforest Buckner.

Don't know too much about Buckner except that he was All Pro and is the second highest paid DL in the league behind Aaron Donald. And that SF had a nasty DL last year.

Thoughts....???

The price was a bit high but if he can sure up that side of the line of scrimmage then I think it's worth it. To me this confirms the Colts are in win now mode and I wouldn't be surprised if a Rivers signing was soon to follow.

Id rather have a known Star as opposed to an unknown pick.

 

[Sea Turtle]

This tells me that Rivers will be signed soon and that they like one of the second tier QB's in the draft. Also, if Herbert or Love drop some, they still have two second rounders to trade up.

 

[Irish#1]

Buchner is very good. 13th pick seems a little high, but I trust Ballard. Definitely means the Colts don’t see a QB in the first round unless they would trade both second rounders for a first round pick to grab a QB.

 

[Irish YJ]

Buckner is very good. 13th pick seems a little high, but I trust Ballard. Definitely means the Colts don’t see a QB in the first round unless they would trade both second rounders for a first round pick to grab a QB.

He's been the most consistent interior DL they have, and they took him at 7. I think they just decided they/SF wouldn't be able to afford him given all the other pieces, and he'd bring the most trade value.

My gut has always told me they were going after a FA/Trade for QB. Either Rivers or Carr. I'd love to be able to check both DT/3T and QB boxes outside of the draft though. They could also use 34+44 to get back into the middle of R1. IIRC, those two picks would equate to a 15 or 16 or 17th pick roughly.

Back to my gut... them trading 13 tells me they'll sign a QB by end of week.

 

[Irish YJ]

This tells me that Rivers will be signed soon and that they like one of the second tier QB's in the draft. Also, if Herbert or Love drop some, they still have two second rounders to trade up.

I agree here. I'd bet we lock down a QB by end of week, maybe a bit later if it's Carr instead of Rivers. On QBs sliding, I could see either Love or Herbert sliding a bit. I also wouldn't be sad if they signed a vet, and took Gordon in the 3rd.

 

[Luckylucci]

Buchner for 13th overall seems like a steal. He was drafted higher than that is a sure fire stud now, with plenty of time left. My San Fran buddy is bummed they couldn’t get more for him but understands the game. Weren’t going to get 1 to 1 value for him.

 

[Irish2155]

In conference foes Houston pretty much just gave Arizona one of the best WR in the league. Happy they did it but I'm still trying to wrap my head around that Hopkins deal.

 

[Me2SouthBend]

In conference foes Houston pretty much just gave Arizona one of the best WR in the league. Happy they did it but I'm still trying to wrap my head around that Hopkins deal.

Don't over think it. It was a bad move by Houston. Why do that in the first hours of this process? They could have waited and gotten a much higher pick back from Ariz.

 

[Irish YJ]

Matt Miller reporting Rivers to Colts all but done

 

[Luckylucci]

In conference foes Houston pretty much just gave Arizona one of the best WR in the league. Happy they did it but I'm still trying to wrap my head around that Hopkins deal.

Just an awful deal by a guy who shouldn't be a GM.

 

[Irishnuke]

I have no interest in Rivers being a Colt.

 

[Luckylucci]

I have no interest in Rivers being a Colt.

I wouldn't either. Doesn't make much sense to me. He isn't good enough to win anything of significance now and he isn't getting better. Don't understand it. But, I like the Colts organization so I'll be rooting for it to succeed.

 

[Irish YJ]

I wouldn't either. Doesn't make much sense to me. He isn't good enough to win anything of significance now and he isn't getting better. Don't understand it. But, I like the Colts organization so I'll be rooting for it to succeed.

He was playing behind the 29th ranked OL, whose OTs gave up the 2nd most pressures, and had a bottom 5 rushing attack that team's didn't respect. With that, he still threw for 4000+ and was top 10 in true completion %. He now has a top 5 OL and a top 10 rushing attack.

It's only a one year bridge deal that won't go father than 2 years IMO. Regardless, huge upgrade over Brissett.

 

[Luckylucci]

Rivers will abandon the ran the first chance he gets. He's got a noodle arm and a stubborn brain. Love the guy but he's done.

 

[Irish YJ]

Rivers will abandon the ran the first chance he gets. He's got a noodle arm and a stubborn brain. Love the guy but he's done.

Does a noodle arm typically rank #6 in deep throws, #3 in air yards attempted, and #5 in air yards completed? Sure he threw more INTs last year, but he still connected plenty deep. He was also one of the best QBs stat wise across the board in 2018.

 

[Luckylucci]

Does a noodle arm typically rank #6 in deep throws, #3 in air yards attempted, and #5 in air yards completed? Sure he threw more INTs last year, but he still connected plenty deep. He was also one of the best QBs stat wise across the board in 2018.

He threw 20 INT's (only 23 Td's) and accounted for 8 fumbles. Those aren't throw away numbers. Those are, I lost my team games because of my turnovers bad.

He was also 22nd in total QBR. 20th in rtg. A 38 year old QB with rapid regression, hard sell for me. For him, because he seems like a great guy, I'm glad there is a buyer. I just didn't expect anybody to want that.

I'd love to formulate a real $ bet with you on this. Come up with something that you think is reasonable and let's get something put together. I remember when Andre Johnson was going to go to the Colts and restore his greatness. I don't think I ever got paid (Vbucks) from Wooly on that one.

 

[ab2cmiller]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr"><a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Colts?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Colts</a> agree to terms with QB Phillip Rivers on one-year deal worth roughly $25M. <a href="https://t.co/T2TcGAu9Uv">pic.twitter.com/T2TcGAu9Uv</a></p>— NFL UPDATE (@NFLUPD4TES) <a href="https://twitter.com/NFLUPD4TES/status/1240004714076520449?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 17, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

 

[Irish YJ]

He threw 20 INT's (only 23 Td's) and accounted for 8 fumbles. Those aren't throw away numbers. Those are, I lost my team games because of my turnovers bad.


He was also 22nd in total QBR. 20th in rtg. A 38 year old QB with rapid regression, hard sell for me. For him, because he seems like a great guy, I'm glad there is a buyer. I just didn't expect anybody to want that.

I'd love to formulate a real $ bet with you on this. Come up with something that you think is reasonable and let's get something put together. I remember when Andre Johnson was going to go to the Colts and restore his greatness. I don't think I ever got paid (Vbucks) from Wooly on that one.

No, look again. I said 2018. He was 7th in QBR, 5th in passer rating, 8th in yards, 3rd in AVG, 8th in completion %, and had a 32:12 TD to INT ratio. That was before his OL and running game totally tanked last year.

I don't think he'll do as well as 2018, but he's going to do much better than 2019 behind a top 5 line and with a top 10 running game.

 

[Luckylucci]

I'm aware, hence my comment about regression. His 2018 numbers don't really mean much. The difference between 36-37 and 38-39 can be falling off a cliff for these type of athletes.

Peyton Manning had one of the best statistical years ever for a QB, at age 37 and then was a backup QB by 39. It's happening and you're trying to catch a falling knife. His skillset is not what it was in 2018. You just have to watch the game.

 

[Irish YJ]

I'm aware, hence my comment about regression. His 2018 numbers don't really mean much. The difference between 36-37 and 38-39 can be falling off a cliff for these type of athletes.

Peyton Manning had one of the best statistical years ever for a QB, at age 37 and then was a backup QB by 39. It's happening and you're trying to catch a falling knife. His skillset is not what it was in 2018. You just have to watch the game.

You can't simply ignore his OL and RB falling off a cliff in 2019. He still had one of the lowest time to throws and still got beat to hell last year. His running game was better catching the ball than running. Even with all that he was still #4 in yards, #10 in completion %, #5 in play action completion %, #12 in pressured completion (while being pressured 2nd most), and had a receiving crew that was #7 in drops.

Not saying he's going to 30 be year old Rivers, but dismissing what he faced with his OL and running game is just silly.

 

[NDdomer2]

We're discussing a guy being 38/39 like we don't have two 40+ers in the league damn near every franchise would take

 

[Luckylucci]

You can't simply ignore his OL and RB falling off a cliff in 2019. He still had one of the lowest time to throws and still got beat to hell last year. His running game was better catching the ball than running. Even with all that he was still #4 in yards, #10 in completion %, #5 in play action completion %, #12 in pressured completion (while being pressured 2nd most), and had a receiving crew that was #7 in drops.

Not saying he's going to 30 be year old Rivers, but dismissing what he faced with his OL and running game is just silly.

Nobody is dismissing it. You buy I sell, get the bet put together and let's do this.

 

[Irish YJ]

We're discussing a guy being 38/39 like we don't have two 40+ers in the league damn near every franchise would take

How about this. I'll bet he'll be top 10 in at least two of the following 3 stats (completion %, QBR, ypg) plus have at least a 2:1 TD to INT ratio

 

[Irish#1]

With a good line and decent run game, I think Reich can have Rivers playing at a pretty good level. Given it’s a one year deal I expect Ballard to grab a QB with his first pick.

 

[Luckylucci]

How about this. I'll bet he'll be top 10 in at least two of the following 3 stats (completion %, QBR, ypg) plus have at least a 2:1 TD to INT ratio

Nah, I’d structure it like this. $20 a piece on under 4,250 yards, under 24.5 TD’s, over 11.5 INT’s, Colts don’t win division, Colts don’t make playoffs.

 

[Irish#1]

Pulled from an article in The Athletic...........

The Colts expect that to change with Rivers at the helm. Part of their decision-making process leading up to Tuesday’s deal involved evaluating all of Rivers’ throws from 2019. The film affirmed what the Colts hoped: That he can still be a weapon as a downfield passer.

 

[Irishnuke]

Pulled from an article in The Athletic...........

I mean, he’s an upgrade, but he’s really just a stop gap between Brissett and whoever the QB of the future is.

I really thought they’d use the first round pick to get a QB. I’m happy about the trade they made but now, even with Rivers, there is still a big question mark about QB for the future.