Immigration

[kmoose]

Are we going to import our fruits and vegetables from Mexico, who have minimal restrictions on pesticides? Should we fine the construction, landscaping and agribusinesses for employing them illegally? Have the governmental costs - education, medical and prisons - that have saved Arizonans' money just shifted to other states? Do we deny hospitalization for a heart attack, massive bleeding, inability to breathe patients to those who cannot produce proper identification? Should our police be filling local jails with anyone who cannot produce proper identifications? Is it wrong for industries to raise their wages for illegals more than minimum wage and provide them benefits? Will unemployed Americans whose employment rate is 4.9% move for these seasonal jobs? We also don't want the prices of the products in these industries to increase due to increased labor costs.

Simple solution........... Deport all of the illegals. That way, the jails won't be full. The jails are only full of people "who cannot produce proper identification" because politicians are refusing to follow the law and deport them.

Step #2. Increase the Seasonal Agri-worker quotas. But, once your season is over, you go home. If you want to come back for another season, you have to reapply for a new visa. Streamline the process for "trusted workers" (no serious criminal record, no history of visa violations) and figure out how to better enforce the exit requirement when the visa runs out.

Step #3. If you are on an Agri-worker visa, and you give birth here in the US? That child will NOT be considered an American citizen, unless they go through the naturalization process.

 

[calvegas04]

Dems will do anything to stay in power... even put our nation at greater risk

White House to increase number of refugees to 110k in 2017

White House to increase number of refugees to 110k in 2017 - CNNPolitics.com

 

[Legacy]

A Valuable Crop
Private prison companies are getting rich off tough immigration laws they’re helping to push. (Fort Worth Weekly)

What some of those inmates have gone through before they land in a cell in one of the tapioca-painted buildings is hell.

Most have never committed a crime other than being in the country illegally. Nonetheless, many have spent months or years in other jails, awaiting deportation hearings. Some were sexually molested or raped while there. None of them was entitled to a court-appointed lawyer. Many of them are mothers or fathers being deported while their U.S.-citizen children are left behind. Others had fled drug-fueled violence in Mexico or Guatemala and are being deported right back into those horrors. Many were victims of drug gang conscription who crossed into the U.S. seeking a better life. Some just came for work.

The numbers of undocumented immigrants who pass through ICE facilities like Johnson County’s jail is staggering and growing rapidly. According to the American Civil Liberties Union, between 1996 and 2010 the Department of Homeland Security, which includes ICE, increased its prison capacity — county, state, and federal jails and prisons — from just over 6,000 to more than 33,000 beds. In 2010 the total number of immigrants who came and went through those cells, in more than 250 facilities nationwide, topped 360,000.

Emily Butera, who also works with the Women’s Refugee Commission, said most detainees never complain, for fear of making things worse. Still, she said, “There have been 200 formal complaints of sexual assault filed since 2007 by ICE and Homeland Security detainees.”

Undocumented immigrant women are particularly vulnerable to sexual assault at the hands of guards and other people in authority, said Butera, “because they are lost. Some of these women simply submit because they think the guards have the power to make their lives more hellish than they already are. Many don’t speak English and so have no idea what’s going on.”

Parts of the laws in both Georgia and Alabama were quickly struck down by federal courts as unconstitutional, but not before both states felt the whiplash from their extremism. In Georgia, farmers found themselves short by more than 5,000 workers needed during peak harvest time, leaving millions of dollars’ worth of crops to rot on the vines. In Alabama the damage was even worse: Tens of millions of dollars’ worth of crops had to be plowed into the ground when farm workers vanished as soon as the law was passed.

Proponents of these strict laws all say that eliminating the illegal immigrants will open jobs for citizens, but farmers and others say they’ve found no one willing to do the work.

“It has been miserable on our farmers. It’s had a huge impact on them,” said Brian Hardin, assistant director of governmental and agricultural programs with the Alabama Farmers Federation. “They simply don’t have the workers they need.”

He said the Farmers Federation is asking for changes in federal guest worker programs, which allow seasonal agricultural workers to enter the U.S. for short periods of time. But meeting all the requirements needed to get those permits is very difficult and time-consuming.

“Until something is done to make those permits easier to get,” said Hardin, “our farmers will have to make some hard decisions on whether they’re going to continue to farm crops that depend on a good deal of manual labor. Or whether they will continue in the farming business at all.”

Roughly half of all prison beds used by Homeland Security are in the hands of the private prison industry, more than double the percentage from as recently as 2005. The federal government pays far better than anyone else for the care of detainees.

But private prison companies these days are doing more than just fighting for a share of that “prisoner market.” According to news reports and activist groups, the companies are actively lobbying for the harsh laws that guarantee more immigrants will spend more time behind bars, thus producing more income for the companies.

ICE alone spends more than $2 billion annually to pay for custody operations, the Justice Policy Institute report noted, and the agency, due to the harsh new immigration laws, is set to open a network of immigration centers — all privatized — in Texas, New Jersey, Florida, California, and Illinois. Arizona is also considering building several new prisons it hopes will house immigration detainees.

Inevitably, Shapiro said, the key problem with privatized prisons, over time, “is the incentive to increase profits even at the expense of decent conditions and human rights.” He said studies show that private prisons have a higher level of violence than publicly managed prisons, which he attributes to low staff pay, “which lends itself to higher turnover rates, which leads to less experience walking the tiers.

“Without question,” he said, “the private prison industry is reaping lucrative rewards from a mass incarceration situation that is harming the nation as a whole.”

A few excerpts. Recommend reading the entire article.

 

[Legacy]

Modern Immigration Wave Brings 59 Million to U.S., Driving Population Growth and Change Through 2065
Views of Immigration’s Impact on U.S. Society Mixed

 

[Polish Leppy 22]

Mexico Wants A Border Wall To Stop Immigration From Central America

Someone please let me know when a leftist calls Mexico racist or bigoted.

 

[Bluto]

Mexico Wants A Border Wall To Stop Immigration From Central America

Someone please let me know when a leftist calls Mexico racist or bigoted.

Those types of issues are discussed all the time in the Mexican media and amongst many of the Mexican Americans and or Mexican Immigrants I know. There are all kinds of Mexicans who are bigots. Case in point many of the Zapatistas in the south of Mexico are indigenous to the region and took up arms due in large part to being treated like crap by Mexicos ruling class which is comprised predominantly of people of European descent.

 

[Irish#1]

Mexico Wants A Border Wall To Stop Immigration From Central America

They don't want a wall on the north border, but want one on the southern border. You just can't make this stuff up. lol

 

[Legacy]

Illegal Central American Immigration Surges Again at U.S. Border Sept, 2016

For the second time in three years, the U.S. Border Patrol is apprehending more non-Mexicans than Mexicans along the southwest border, reflecting a renewed surge of Central American migrants fleeing violence and gang warfare in their home countries.

Many of those apprehended are children traveling alone or in so-called “family units,” and come from El Salvador, Guatemala and Honduras, according to newly released statistics from U.S. Customs and Border Enforcement. Nearly two-thirds of the apprehensions occurred within the Rio Grande Valley Border Patrol Sector, spanning much of Texas’s southernmost tip.

Through August of this year, there were a total of 369,411 apprehensions on the U.S.-Mexico border. More than half of those were of non-Mexicans, the statistics show. As of July, the border patrol had apprehended 57,344 people from El Salvador, 58,337 from Guatemala and 41,042 from Honduras compared to 160,193 from Mexico.

Apprehensions of non-Mexicans first outnumbered those from Mexico in 2014, according to an analysis by the Pew Research Center. Faye Hipsman, policy analyst at the Migration Policy Institute in Washington, D.C., says the trend isn’t fading.

More non-Mexicans than Mexicans. Fleeing drugs and violence, not bringing them. Being tortured and raped in Mexico, not rapists. Unaccompanied minors. U.S. has given Mexico $100 million to prevent migration from C. America.

Mexico tortures migrants – and citizens – in effort to slow Central American surge
A growing number of indigenous Mexicans are being detained by agents looking for Central American migrants, amid a crackdown driven partly by aid from US April, 2016

The scale of US financial support for Mexican immigration control is opaque. At least $100m has been spent or pledged for training, new equipment and canine teams, according to Congressional Research Service. There are no human rights conditions attached to this aid. Department of Defence aid is separate and unknown.

Mexico crackdown reduced number of child migrants at US border – study
Nearly 9,000 fewer minors detained at US-Mexico border so far in 2015 but activists fear migration will continue if violence in Central America not addressed April, 2015

Meanwhile, record numbers of Central American immigrant minors have been deported from Mexico this year. During the first five months of the year, Mexican officials have deported 3,819, 56% more than the same period last year, according to Pew.

More than 7,700 of the minors detained in Mexico are from Central America’s three “northern triangle” countries: Guatemala, El Salvador and Honduras.

The increase in deportations from Mexico follows intense media and political attention to a surge in unaccompanied minors crossing the US-Mexico border in the summer of 2014. Most are believed to be fleeing violence, as the northern triangle countries have some of the highest murder rates in the world.

Many immigration experts believe the stepped-up enforcement by Mexican authorities is the result of political pressure from the US after last summer’s surge stretched immigration facilities to capacity. The US has also pledged $86m towards upgrading Mexico’s checkpoints, roadblocks and naval bases.

Could the Mexican President tell his people that they will build a wall and the U.S. will pay for it?

 

[BGIF]

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/mar/02/kenya-wall-israel-separation-barrier

Kenya is going to build a wall. Not just any wall, but a “separation barrier”, to employ the euphemism coined by Israel to describe the towering, snaking structure that now separates it from Palestine’s West Bank.

Kenya’s version will be built along sections of its notoriously porous border with Somalia. A physical rendering in bricks, mortar and barbed wire of a line on the map.

“Construction works will begin soon. We expect to have finished the project before the end of the year,” said Lamu county governor Issa Timamy, as reported in the Daily Nation.

...

Today, there are still plenty of barriers dividing nations and societies. In Cyprus, one runs along the Green Line that divides the Turkish north from the Greek south. On Malaysia’s northern border with Thailand there’s one to keep out cheap but illegal Thai labour. There’s one in Saudi Arabia, on its Yemeni border, to keep Yemen’s insecurity from spilling over. In the US too, several barriers have been erected to prevent illegal movement across the Mexican border.

Most famous, however, is Israel’s separation barrier – nearly 500 miles long, it alternates between rows of barbed wire and electronic fencing and eight-metre high concrete walls.

...

 

[BGIF]

Switzerland expects fewer refugees after border clampdown | Reuters

Fri Sep 16, 2016 | 9:35am EDT
Switzerland expects fewer refugees after border clampdown

The Swiss government expects fewer asylum requests in 2016 than last year, after a clampdown on migrants crossing the Italian border.

Landlocked Switzerland is budgeting for 35,000 asylum requests this year, the Swiss Federal Council said on Friday, down from about 39,500 in 2015 and more than 20 percent less than a previous forecast of 45,000.

With the migrant crisis in its third year, a deal between the European Union and Turkey has reduced numbers of people crossing the sea to Greece, making Switzerland's neighbor Italy the new front line.

...

Some two-thirds of the nearly 7,500 migrants who reached Switzerland via the Italian border between July and early August were turned back.

Critics of the clampdown have accused Switzerland of closing its borders, causing a pile-up in northern Italian towns including Como.

But Swiss border officials say the country is merely fulfilling its obligations under Europe's so-called Dublin system for handling refugees, by returning migrants to the first country where they registered.

...

 

[Polish Leppy 22]

Those types of issues are discussed all the time in the Mexican media and amongst many of the Mexican Americans and or Mexican Immigrants I know. There are all kinds of Mexicans who are bigots. Case in point many of the Zapatistas in the south of Mexico are indigenous to the region and took up arms due in large part to being treated like crap by Mexicos ruling class which is comprised predominantly of people of European descent.

I wasn't talking about the Mexican media. I'm talking about the American media.

 

[Bluto]

I wasn't talking about the Mexican media. I'm talking about the American media.

What you asked for was for a leftist to say "Mexico" are bigots. So as a leftist I was telling you yes, there are all kinds of bigots in Mexico.

As to the American media, it would be great if it reported on the issues Mexico is facing and has had such as the thousands of women who were murdered in Cuidad Juarez, how IMF policies and NAFTA helped destroy the agrarian economy in Mexico and how they directly contributed to the huge surge in immigration to the US that the has become the whipping boy of many a bigot here in the US, that the Narcos are themselves with firearms smuggled in from the US and on and on...

As an aside you all do realize that net migration from Mexico has reversed and more Mexicans are returning to Mexico than are immigrating to the US.

 

[Polish Leppy 22]

What you asked for was for a leftist to say "Mexico" are bigots. So as a leftist I was telling you yes, there are all kinds of bigots in Mexico.

As to the American media, it would be great if it reported on the issues Mexico is facing and has had such as the thousands of women who were murdered in Cuidad Juarez, how IMF policies and NAFTA helped destroy the agrarian economy in Mexico and how they directly contributed to the huge surge in immigration to the US that the has become the whipping boy of many a bigot here in the US, that the Narcos are themselves with firearms smuggled in from the US and on and on...

As an aside you all do realize that net migration from Mexico has reversed and more Mexicans are returning to Mexico than are immigrating to the US.

Do you see nothing hypocritical about Mexico wanting a southern wall and then having their president come up here and give the US lectures about our immigration policies?

 

[phgreek]

Illegal Central American Immigration Surges Again at U.S. Border Sept, 2016



More non-Mexicans than Mexicans. Fleeing drugs and violence, not bringing them. Being tortured and raped in Mexico, not rapists. Unaccompanied minors. U.S. has given Mexico $100 million to prevent migration from C. America.

Mexico tortures migrants – and citizens – in effort to slow Central American surge
A growing number of indigenous Mexicans are being detained by agents looking for Central American migrants, amid a crackdown driven partly by aid from US April, 2016



Mexico crackdown reduced number of child migrants at US border – study
Nearly 9,000 fewer minors detained at US-Mexico border so far in 2015 but activists fear migration will continue if violence in Central America not addressed April, 2015



Could the Mexican President tell his people that they will build a wall and the U.S. will pay for it?

seems like half the United States would break out in applause and reach for their checkbook. The right thing to do is create refugee camps protected by UN forces in Central America...Just don't sole source consruction to Halliburton... Evaluate people who seek refugee status, and bring those in who've been selected. Health and security issues abound when they bum rush our boarder...gotta stop.

 

[Legacy]

Greece ill-prepared for EU asylum returns

The EU is putting pressure on Greece to start accepting returns of asylum seekers from other EU states, but Athens remains ill-prepared.
On Wednesday (28 September), EU migration commissioner Dimitris Avramopoulos said there "would be a gradual return" to the EU asylum system of returns under the so-called Dublin regulation.

But an understaffed Greek Asylum Service in July said it would take three years to clear the backlog of existing asylum claims.
The prospect of receiving even more asylum seekers from other EU states has also met with incredulity from some NGOs.

Manos Moschopoulos, an migration expert from the Open Society Foundation, says Greece is already struggling.

"Most people are living in camps for months with no or little information. The Greek Asylum Service is overwhelmed. We are talking about more than 60,000 people in Greece at the moment," he said on Thursday.

Amnesty International: 18 Years Before Refugees Stranded in Greece are Relocated

 

[GoIrish41]

Attack on Somalis in Kansas thwarted, feds say - CNN.com

Luckily we have patriots in this country who are willing to save us from terrorist immigrants.

 

[phgreek]

Attack on Somalis in Kansas thwarted, feds say - CNN.com

Luckily we have patriots in this country who are willing to save us from terrorist immigrants.

The simple fact of the matter is, until the immigration / illegal immigration issue is settled, and people stop vilifying one another, and have a cohesive and HONORED set of rules they can all understand, that can't be manipulated for political motivations...those who are natives are going to feel marginalized and angry as will those who come here....Shocker.

 

[kmoose]

Attack on Somalis in Kansas thwarted, feds say - CNN.com

Luckily we have patriots in this country who are willing to save us from terrorist immigrants.

Luckily we have white law enforcement officers that serve and protect everyone, regardless of the color of their skin.

 

[Legacy]

The simple fact of the matter is, until the immigration / illegal immigration issue is settled, and people stop vilifying one another, and have a cohesive and HONORED set of rules they can all understand, that can't be manipulated for political motivations...those who are natives are going to feel marginalized and angry as will those who come here....Shocker.

How Republicans Lost Their Best Shot at the Hispanic Vote
(article details how a bipartisan group of eight House legislaturers attempted to craft a comprehensive immigration bill)

 

[GoIrish41]

Luckily we have white law enforcement officers that serve and protect everyone, regardless of the color of their skin.

White officers are awesome. :awesomewo But who said anything about race? What a peculiar thing to say.

 

[kmoose]

But who said anything about race?

You do............. constantly.

 

[BGIF]

White officers are awesome. :awesomewo But who said anything about race? What a peculiar thing to say.

It's your usual M.O. at least since the Zimmerman thread.

Keep on trollin'.

 

[phgreek]

How Republicans Lost Their Best Shot at the Hispanic Vote
(article details how a bipartisan group of eight House legislaturers attempted to craft a comprehensive immigration bill)

...really was close. Shame.

 

[Legacy]

The Pogues - Thousands are Sailing

 

[Legacy]

Australia reportedly close to US asylum seeker deal that would end offshore detention, shut down Manus and Nauru centres

Senior minister Christopher Pyne says the Turnbull government has plenty of time to make a deal to transfer immigration detainees held on Manus Island and Nauru to the United States before Donald Trump takes office.

A deal to resettle about 1800 refugees and asylum seekers held in Australia's offshore detention centres is reportedly close, with the US agreeing to take detainees after Australia said it would accept Central American refugees held in US-assisted Costa Rican camps and fleeing violence in Guatemala, Honduras and El Salvador.

 

[Legacy]

College & University Presidents Call for U.S. to Uphold and Continue DACA

-- Higher education leaders cite “moral imperative” and “national necessity” in supporting Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals.
-- As of Dec. 7, more than 500 college and university presidents from public and private institutions across the U.S. have signed statement offering to meet with U.S. leaders on the issue. Signatories are listed below and the list will be updated on an ongoing basis.
- The presidents are urging business, civic, religious and non-profit sectors to join them in supporting DACA and undocumented immigrant students.
-- College and university presidents can still sign the statement. For more information, contact support-daca@pomona.edu.

Statement in Support of the Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals (DACA) Program and our Undocumented Immigrant Students

The core mission of higher education is the advancement of knowledge, people, and society. As educational leaders, we are committed to upholding free inquiry and education in our colleges and universities, and to providing the opportunity for all our students to pursue their learning and life goals.

Since the advent of the Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals (DACA) program in 2012, we have seen the critical benefits of this program for our students, and the highly positive impacts on our institutions and communities. DACA beneficiaries on our campuses have been exemplary student scholars and student leaders, working across campus and in the community. With DACA, our students and alumni have been able to pursue opportunities in business, education, high tech, and the non-profit sector; they have gone to medical school, law school, and graduate schools in numerous disciplines. They are actively contributing to their local communities and economies.

To our country’s leaders we say that DACA should be upheld, continued, and expanded. We are prepared to meet with you to present our case. This is both a moral imperative and a national necessity. America needs talent – and these students, who have been raised and educated in the United States, are already part of our national community. They represent what is best about America, and as scholars and leaders they are essential to the future.

We call on our colleagues and other leaders across the business, civic, religious, and non-profit sectors to join with us in this urgent matter.

 

[Legacy]

Can a Campus Be a Sanctuary? (Inside Higher Education)

A growing movement, in wake of Trump’s victory, calls on colleges to limit cooperation with federal immigration officials. Legal and political impacts are unclear.

The election of Donald Trump to the presidency has prompted a growing number of petitions signed by students, faculty members and alumni at colleges and universities across the country calling on their institutions to limit their cooperation with federal immigration enforcement authorities and to declare theirs “sanctuary campuses.”

 

[phgreek]

Can a Campus Be a Sanctuary? (Inside Higher Education)

I think there are probably remedies to this behavior.

I think the number and effectiveness depends on the stance of the municipality around the school, as well as the stance of the state.

For one, I would think a couple Federal Stings here and there, with under cover folks, where folks go to jail for aiding and abetting, and compliance would be forthcoming.

 

[NDBoiler]

Bear with me, as I know this sounds crazy, but please hear me out. I think this would alleviate any fear of deportation. How about...immigrating LEGALLY? Seems to be a really novel concept that is hard to grasp nowadays, but if it can just catch on and gain some traction, I think it will go a long way to easing tensions.

 

[Legacy]

I think there are probably remedies to this behavior.

I think the number and effectiveness depends on the stance of the municipality around the school, as well as the stance of the state.

For one, I would think a couple Federal Stings here and there, with under cover folks, where folks go to jail for aiding and abetting, and compliance would be forthcoming.

GOP warms to immigrants they tried to close government over:
Conservatives in Congress adopt a softer tone toward ‘Dreamers,’ immigrants brought here illegally as children.
(Politico)

GOP lawmakers face a stark reality come Jan. 20: They’ll have a president in the White House who will actually unravel Obama’s executive actions on immigration that they in Congress had fought tooth-and-nail. And with that comes roughly 740,000 so-called Dreamers who put their faith in the Obama administration — as well as sensitive personal data — to get a reprieve from deportation and permits to work legally.

“We’re going to work something out that’s going to make people happy and proud,” Trump told Time magazine in an interview published this week. “They got brought here at a very young age, they’ve worked here, they’ve gone to school here. Some were good students. Some have wonderful jobs. And they’re in never-never land because they don’t know what’s going to happen.”

Make no mistake: Republicans still say Obama was clearly wrong to act on his own to grant the reprieve to the Dreamers. But they acknowledge the reality of 740,000 young immigrants who have submitted fingerprints, paid fees and are now attending school or working legally.

“I think that we should have something that balances the concerns of all the parties involved and make sure that we don’t pull the rug out from under people,” Speaker Paul Ryan (R-Wis.) said Thursday. “The transition team wants to make sure they get this right.”