US troops to fight Ebola Virus.

[irishff1014]

It struck me that way too ... at first. After all he was a good samaritan, helping a sick pregnant woman in need.

On the other hand he was in a country with a known health disaster and he traveled about after contact with her making contact with how many other people. Was he naive? Misinformed? Didn't care? Did he tell the truth to the screeners when traveling? Or did he want to make a quick exit, safety be damned? (I suspect that's where Cando's thoughts lie.)

When he became ill did he tell those around him of the gravity?

Did he offer full disclosure or did he obfuscate fearing deporting?

The hospital messed up by discharging him.

Regardless if you lived in a country with such a calamity and you became sick (symptoms) here would you not have refused to leave that Dallas hospital until you were tested/treated? Dead man walking!

"Go ahead and call the security or the police but let them know before they touch me that I have symptoms of ebola and have not been tested for that disease. And be sure to let your insurance carrier know. Do you have an ebola protocol? Are you following it?"

I do understand your points.

 

[ginman]

Just out of curiosity, when were you in the military. Because when I was in the Army we fought things like poverty, crime, disease, and illiteracy much more than we did enemy Soldiers.

88-91 - Desert Storm - i was a cav scout- bradley gunner.

-we did do some humanitarian stuff after the war

 

[BGIF]

Health care worker at Dallas hospital tests positive for Ebola | Fox News

....

Dr. Daniel Varga, of the Texas Health Resource, said the worker was in full protective gear when they provided care to Duncan during his second visit to the hospital.

Varga said the family of the worker has "requested total privacy."

Varga said the health care worker reported a fever Friday night as part of a self-monitoring regimen required by the CDC.

Dallas Mayor Mike Rawlings said the Dallas Fire Department's rescue hazmat team has decontaminated any open areas of the health care worker's apartment complex.

"Police are standing by to make sure no one enters that apartment complex," he said.

Rawlings said officials have knocked on every door within a block of the apartment and have spoken with every person that came to the door. Reverse 911 calls have been made to residents within four blocks of the apartment complex and printed materials have been left at each door, he said.

A team has decontaminated and secured the vehicle the health care worker drove to the hospital. Rawlings said hazmat units will go into the worker's apartment and clean up the interior Sunday.

"We had this plan in place last week, so when we got this phone call, which we thought we might get, we put an action team in place," Rawlings said.

...

 

[BGIF]

The patient was a female nurse for Duncan and she wore full protective gear while tending Duncan.

 

[irishff1014]

The patient was a female nurse for Duncan and she wore full protective gear while tending Duncan.

Then there is much more to this then we are being told or the CDC doesn't know what they are dealing with.

 

[NOLAIrish]

Then there is much more to this then we are being told or the CDC doesn't know what they are dealing with.

I think there's a misunderstanding of what PPE entails. We're not talking about hazmat suits but rather gloves, masks and face shields. It's still entirely possible to catch Ebola while wearing "full" PPE if you don't also follow protocols (e.g., touching the patient and then pulling down your mask to wipe your mouth).

 

[Redbar]

I understand exactly how Cando feels. No one has the right to potentially expose others to a deadly pathogen. This is the most difficult situation for society from a moral standpoint that I can recall. While I understand the strong urge to help or be a good samaritan, once you contract this disease you have to convert that "samaritan" feeling into an "altruistic" one. In other words the individual has to make the tough decision or society has to then make the tough decision. That is the only choices I see. No one is going to be absolved from making some really tough decisions if and when this disease becomes prevalent. Hopefully, now that ebola is becoming a global threat the proper resources will be directed towards a proper course of treatment. I believe it is negligent on the part of the government to allow people to travel to and from areas where there has been an "outbreak" of ebola. Most people will be unwilling to make tough choices.

 

[irishff1014]

I think there's a misunderstanding of what PPE entails. We're not talking about hazmat suits but rather gloves, masks and face shields. It's still entirely possible to catch Ebola while wearing "full" PPE if you don't also follow protocols (e.g., touching the patient and then pulling down your mask to wipe your mouth).

I understand what PPE is. Still i can't imagine any one in the medical field making an error like that.

 

[enrico514]

Then there is much more to this then we are being told or the CDC doesn't know what they are dealing with.

#1: look at how many Heath care workers have died from or been infected w the virus.

#2: look at what other respected scientists have said about Ebola.

Some Ebola experts worry virus may spread more easily than assumed - LA Times

 

[johnnycando]

Then there is much more to this then we are being told or the CDC doesn't know what they are dealing with.

Airborne aersolized droplets.

Like the link I posted earlier, the skin is normally the greatest protective barrier to viruses the human has equipped.

Ebola can infect every cell in the body.

Even dermal layers.

So contact with anything ebola can be the point of infection.

 

[BobD]

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[BobD]

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[NOLAIrish]

I understand what PPE is. Still i can't imagine any one in the medical field making an error like that.

The error's sadly far from unimaginable. Medical errors are a well-known problem in the industry; it's just that they usually take the form of harming the patient rather than the caregiver (or, even more often, harming neither). Anyone who's worked in hospital systems management can tell you how difficult it is to ensure protocol compliance, even where the dangers are obvious.

It gets worse when factor in that you're training folks on procedures while they're putting them into practice. You're talking about people wearing gear they're not used to and have to take precautions that are alien to their standard practice. All it takes to render that PPE ineffective is a small breach of protocol. You stick a finger in your goggles/mask to clear fog and brush your eye; the mask example from the first post; etc. The risk is low, but when you've got enough people in close contact with an EVD victim, low-risk exposures are all it takes to hit one or two of those folks.

 

[woolybug25]

@Nola - I always wonder, what is your avatar about?

 

[BobD]

@Nola - I always wonder, what is your avatar about?

I thought she got IT in the eye if ya know what I mean.

 

[Cackalacky]

PPE has different levels depending on the hazard. NOLA has it right that it is very difficult to force people into a level of PPE and then know how properly use it for protection. Part of a my previous job was writing and generating protocols for workers in hazardous environments and medical facilities. That does not necessarily mean those workers follow them nor don the proper level of PPE for each scenario.

 

[NOLAIrish]

BobD's explanation's way more entertaining than the actual answer, so we should go with that.

I was having a conversation on another message board a few years back. In the course of events, it became necessary to switch my avatar to a picture of someone pointing and winking, as often happens in internet discussions. That one popped up in the GIS.

 

[dshans]

@Nola - I always wonder, what is your avatar about?

The Laddie Boy is from Nawlins.

Mardi Gras. The Jazz and Heritage Festival. Bourbon Street.

Crescent City. The Big Easy. The City Where Strangers Feel Free To Fuck Up.

Oh, and The Camellia Grill for breakfast when your night doesn't want to end.

 

[irishff1014]

The error's sadly far from unimaginable. Medical errors are a well-known problem in the industry; it's just that they usually take the form of harming the patient rather than the caregiver (or, even more often, harming neither). Anyone who's worked in hospital systems management can tell you how difficult it is to ensure protocol compliance, even where the dangers are obvious.

It gets worse when factor in that you're training folks on procedures while they're putting them into practice. You're talking about people wearing gear they're not used to and have to take precautions that are alien to their standard practice. All it takes to render that PPE ineffective is a small breach of protocol. You stick a finger in your goggles/mask to clear fog and brush your eye; the mask example from the first post; etc. The risk is low, but when you've got enough people in close contact with an EVD victim, low-risk exposures are all it takes to hit one or two of those folks.

I know all the risks from riding the Ambulance. I understand that people think that they can't get anything.

 

[tko]

a jet from the UAE landed in Logan airport with reports of 10 people experiencing flu like symptom

 

[ResLife Hero]

Just got a call from the Dallas Morning News because the nurse who contracted ebola in Dallas was a classmate of mine. Kind of a crappy way to find out it was her, but damn hits close to home.

 

[tko]

Just got a call from the Dallas Morning News because the nurse who contracted ebola in Dallas was a classmate of mine. Kind of a crappy way to find out it was her, but damn hits close to home.

wow

 

[enrico514]

"We believe there is scientific and epidemiologic evidence that Ebola virus has the potential to be transmitted via infectious aerosol particles both near and at a distance from infected patients, which means that healthcare workers should be wearing respirators, not face masks."

COMMENTARY: Health workers need optimal respiratory protection for Ebola | CIDRAP

 

[IrishLax]

Just got a call from the Dallas Morning News because the nurse who contracted ebola in Dallas was a classmate of mine. Kind of a crappy way to find out it was her, but damn hits close to home.

Wow. Damn dude.

Great job keeping the airways open and allowing this to happen Government...

 

[ACamp1900]

Okay, I've told myself this whole time I'll worry when it spreads in some new way or fears of it becoming airborne arise...

I'm starting to worry a little bit.

 

[johnnycando]

A change is coming.

I pray that all of you that contract the disease, survives.

I now think, it's not if, but when.

I hope my children become old women...

 

[BGIF]

"We believe there is scientific and epidemiologic evidence that Ebola virus has the potential to be transmitted via infectious aerosol particles both near and at a distance from infected patients, which means that healthcare workers should be wearing respirators, not face masks."

COMMENTARY: Health workers need optimal respiratory protection for Ebola | CIDRAP

Kudos to Irish1958 who posted that here a month ago and was ridiculed. I trust he takes no satisfaction at being corroborated but rather is saddened by the tragic news of transmission to a health care worker. Hopefully it is only one.

http://www.irishenvy.com/forums/lep...s-troops-fight-ebola-virus-5.html#post1353969

 

[BGIF]

The new ebola patient is Nina Pham a 26 year old, certified critical care nurse. She's a TCU grad. Prayers and thoughts are with her, her dog, Bentley, and everyone their paths have crossed, particularly in the past few weeks.

Her apartment has been processed by Hazmat workers. Bentley is in quarantine.

There'so a short video at the Link:

Video - Breaking News Videos from CNN.com

 

[BGIF]

For those wondering ...

The name Pham (which may be vaguely familiar around here) is derived from the Chinese character 范.[1] As with other East-Asian surnames derived from Chinese, it does not necessarily imply familial relations with those sharing the same surname.

Among the global ethnic Vietnamese population, it is the 5th most common name accounting for 5% of the total 75 million. In the United States, Phạm is the #1455 most common last name comprising about 0.008% of all last names. It is the 951st most common in France[2] with 5,509 persons sharing that name. It is ranked 943rd in the United States Social Security Index.[3]

The above is from wiki. If you you want more background contact the Phamman.

 

[IrishinSyria]

A change is coming.

I pray that all of you that contract the disease, survives.

I now think, it's not if, but when.

I hope my children become old women...

It's definitely still well in the realm of the unlikely if dude.