George Zimmerman Trial

[no.1IrishFan]

This case will be tried inside a central Florida courtroom, and not outside. Should George Zimmerman be acquitted of second degree murder, rioting and looting is not a foregone conclusion. However, it is a scenario wrongfully embedded in the minds of some Irish Envy posters. What I can say with certainty, George Zimmerman will not testify in his own defense.

Perhaps you missed the near riot activity just leading up to this point. Have you not seen the people marching with posters and screaming for justice? It was necessary to bring in police to make sure the crowed remained civil. This was before any judgement has even been made. Rioting is a scenario that I truley hope does not come to fruition. However, to say that this idea was imbedded in our minds and ignore the fact that it is a very possible situation should there be an aquittal, is ignorant.

 

[Redbar]

Perhaps you missed the near riot activity just leading up to this point. Have you not seen the people marching with posters and screaming for justice? It was necessary to bring in police to make sure the crowed remained civil. This was before any judgement has even been made. Rioting is a scenario that I truley hope does not come to fruition. However, to say that this idea was imbedded in our minds and ignore the fact that it is a very possible situation should there be an aquittal, is ignorant.

Saying that police had to be brought in to make sure the crowd remained civil is disingenuous. Where was there ever the threat of violence by anyone. OK some people marched, they probably found it a little unjust that an armed man could shoot an unarmed 16 year old in the street and be released without even talking to witnesses that claimed it seemed unprovoked(right or wrong). Some might feel threatened simply by a large group of people marching, which in certain instances I could agree could be seen as threatening and in other instances could simply illustrate the ignorance of the observer.

 

[GoIrish41]

Who knows? GZ said the kid attacked him.

not a crazy reaction when some guy is chasing you through your neighborhood is it? TM might well have felt threatened and had the right to stand his ground. to me the most striking thing about this whole incident is that a grown man seemed compelled to chase a kid because he thought he was up to no good, even though there is no evidence that he was doing anything other than walking home. Seems like zimmerman was the one up to no good.

 

[RyCo1983]

not a crazy reaction when some guy is chasing you through your neighborhood is it? TM might well have felt threatened and had the right to stand his ground. to me the most striking thing about this whole incident is that a grown man seemed compelled to chase a kid because he thought he was up to no good, even though there is no evidence that he was doing anything other than walking home. Seems like zimmerman was the one up to no good.

I'm with you on that one.

We'll never really know.

 

[BGIF]

Six women picked as jurors in George Zimmerman trial | Fox News

Six is all they pick.

Five white, one Hispanic.

One has been arrested. Two have guns in the house. Two moved to FL.

Also picked four alternates. Two are males.

 

[jmurphy75]

not a crazy reaction when some guy is chasing you through your neighborhood is it? TM might well have felt threatened and had the right to stand his ground. to me the most striking thing about this whole incident is that a grown man seemed compelled to chase a kid because he thought he was up to no good, even though there is no evidence that he was doing anything other than walking home. Seems like zimmerman was the one up to no good.

First off there is a difference between chasing and following, secondly you have to know the area to understand why he was following him. This neighborhood was built when the economy was on the upswing so the whole area was slotted to be re developed. So you have a bunch of nice areas that border the hood. The people that live around there were constantly being burglarized and mugged, and they decided to try and protect their homes by forming a community watch. So what if Zimmerman was following him? They both coul've done a million things to prevent the situation, but TM attacked him and GZ shot him while being attacked. I'm sorry but if I'm carring (and I always am) and someone attacks me and is on top of me I'm going to shoot them before they can seriously hurt me. The media created a **** storm out of this, with a bunch of careless reporting.

 

[Old North State Irish]

First off there is a difference between chasing and following, secondly you have to know the area to understand why he was following him. This neighborhood was built when the economy was on the upswing so the whole area was slotted to be re developed. So you have a bunch of nice areas that border the hood. The people that live around there were constantly being burglarized and mugged, and they decided to try and protect their homes by forming a community watch. So what if Zimmerman was following him? They both coul've done a million things to prevent the situation, but TM attacked him and GZ shot him while being attacked. I'm sorry but if I'm carring (and I always am) and someone attacks me and is on top of me I'm going to shoot them before they can seriously hurt me. The media created a **** storm out of this, with a bunch of careless reporting.

Pretty accurate assessment of this situation. What the media did in the initial reporting is just how sorry it has become. A "White Hispanic?"...I have never heard of a White Black or a White Asian. This was an incident between a Hispanic gentleman and a Black gentleman. The doctored videos of GZ. The edited 911 call. I'm not for either...I am for the facts/truth. GZ has every right to look after his place of residence. Should he have handled things differently? Probably so. TM as well.

 

[ACamp1900]

The media clearly twisted this to play emotions and get ratings... We should all know better but clearly many still reacted on emotions, as the media wanted...

Still doesnt change the fact that GZ MAY have flat out killed someone without cause and MAY deserve a harsh sentence... Let the trial play out and see...

 

[BGIF]

The media clearly twisted this to play emotions and get ratings... We should all know better but clearly many still reacted on emotions, as the media wanted...

Still doesnt change the fact that GZ MAY have flat out killed someone without cause and MAY deserve a harsh sentence... Let the trial play out and see...

Having your head bashed into a sidewalk isn't cause?

Yeah, he should have turned the other cheek. What was he thinking?

More please, sir.

 

[ACamp1900]

Having your head bashed into a sidewalk isn't cause?

Yeah, he should have turned the other cheek. What was he thinking?

More please, sir.

If that's what happened then I agree with you, but we basically know nothing for a fact here... So yeah, I'm willing to let this play out and see... Sir.

 

[BGIF]

If that's what happened then I agree with you, but we basically know nothing for a fact here... So yeah, I'm willing to let this play out and see... Sir.

Yes, the back of Zimmerman's head was bloody as shown by police photos which the prosecutor purposely withheld from the public. The media had a willing co-conspirator in twisting information "to play emotions and get ratings" along with an indictment of murder.

The President also jumped into this with a comment that Trayvon looked like him. Curiously he failed to mention that the accused is bi-racial just like he is. A fact in the shooting, no. A factor in the decision to overturn the original decision not to prosecute, yes.

The media clearly twisted this to play emotions and get ratings... We should all know better but clearly many still reacted on emotions, as the media wanted...

Your second statement is a conditional NOT a fact. He MAY have been committed justifiable homicide and deserve no sentence but that isn't a fact either.

Still doesnt change the fact that GZ MAY have flat out killed someone without cause and MAY deserve a harsh sentence...

Let the trial play out and see..

. Without the innuendo of "facts" that aren't.

 

[ACamp1900]

Your second statement is a conditional NOT a fact. He MAY have been committed justifiable homicide and deserve no sentence but that isn't a fact either.

So bascially we agree... but you're pitching a fit over one misused word??? okay...

 

[BGIF]

Pitching a fit ... no.

Trying to be objective ... yes. More than the media, the new prosecutor, and The President.

 

[ACamp1900]

Pitching a fit ... no.

Trying to be objective ... yes. More than the media, the new prosecutor, and The President.

Okay, trying to understand... you took my first post as something other than an attempt at objectivity??? I guess I worded it poorly (very much so) if it came off as otherwise.

 

[irishpat183]

Listen, he's not guilty. Look at everything and take this "well he killed A KID" emotional crap out of it. (which being over 6' tall and 17 years old I doubt you're still entitled to the label "Kid")

The media blew it on this one. They wanted this guy to fry, and got everyone all flusterd and looking for blood, only to find out that this was a case of self defense.

1. Following someone doesn't mean you "provoked" them. And keep in mind there was a RECENT string of break-ins in that neighborhood
2. Trayvon attacked Zimmerman. This was confirmed by eyewitness and injuries to Zimmerman
3. At the angle Martin was shot, the person who pulled the trigger was under/below him.
4. This had nothign to do with race unitl the media made it about race. Zimmerman likely didn't even know Martin was black (in the call to the 911 operator (not the "edited" MSNBC version) he doesn't confirm that Martin was initially "he LOOKS black".
5. In the call Zimmerman mentions that Martin stares at him and confronts HIM.


All that being said, I'm sorry the poor guy was shot and killed...but I wouldn't consider Zimmerman some notorious racist killer that people are making him out to be.

 

[BGIF]

Listen, he's not guilty. Look at everything and take this "well he killed A KID" emotional crap out of it. (which being over 6' tall and 17 years old I doubt you're still entitled to the label "Kid")

The media blew it on this one. They wanted this guy to fry, and got everyone all flusterd and looking for blood, only to find out that this was a case of self defense.

1. Following someone doesn't mean you "provoked" them. And keep in mind there was a RECENT string of break-ins in that neighborhood
2. Trayvon attacked Zimmerman. This was confirmed by eyewitness and injuries to Zimmerman
3. At the angle Martin was shot, the person who pulled the trigger was under/below him.
4. This had nothign to do with race unitl the media made it about race. Zimmerman likely didn't even know Martin was black (in the call to the 911 operator (not the "edited" MSNBC version) he doesn't confirm that Martin was initially "he LOOKS black".
5. In the call Zimmerman mentions that Martin stares at him and confronts HIM.


All that being said, I'm sorry the poor guy was shot and killed...but I wouldn't consider Zimmerman some notorious racist killer that people are making him out to be.

Welcome back from hiatus, Pat.

 

[ACamp1900]

Pat was gone??

 

[Rack Em]

Pat was gone??

Where the hell have you been?

 

[ACamp1900]

Where the hell have you been?

Wait, I was gone too???

 

[Cackalacky]

troll.

 

[Emcee77]

It'll be interesting to see what the evidence is at trial. To the extent that the Wikipedia page is a decent summary of the evidence (Shooting of Trayvon Martin - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia), I don't think there's a lot to contradict Zimmerman's account of the incident. The only evidence that's bad for him is the account of the two girls who heard a young voice whining before the shot (and they appear to have credibility issues) and the fact that, according to some people, the person heard calling for help in the background of the 911 calls is Martin, not Zimmerman (but others say that it positively IS Zimmerman calling for help). Other than that, it will just come down to whether the jury finds Zimmerman credible.

Really, what a tragic case though. In my view this gives a lot of ammo to gun control advocates. If no one had a gun in this situation, no one would be dead. My gut feeling is that Martin wasn't really going to kill or seriously injure Zimmerman. He just decided to jump him as a pre-emptive measure to avoid being jumped. Not a smart move, but I might have done the same thing when I was a teenager. I mean, when I was 15, I noticed some dudes following me and a couple friends as we walked to soccer practice. The dudes jumped us and would have stolen our stuff if we had anything worth stealing. If I'm a 17 year old who has had that experience, and I notice someone following me, maybe I decide this time I'm not gonna just wait to be jumped ... and a tragic outcome follows.

None of that means that if Martin did attack Zimmerman and reach for his gun, Zimmerman doesn't have a valid self-defense defense; what Zimmerman may have done to bring on Martin's attack doesn't really matter unless he is actually the first aggressor, and there appears to be little to no evidence that he was.

Just saying, it's tragic.

 

[ACamp1900]

Really, what a tragic case though. In my view this gives a lot of ammo to gun control advocates. If no one had a gun in this situation, no one would be dead.

We don't know that...

 

[FLDomer]

We don't know that...

Exactly, the side walk that GZ's head was getting slammed against could killed him.

 

[Cackalacky]

There is one person though that won't be able to testify.....and that is a tragedy.

 

[Emcee77]

We don't know that...

Exactly, the side walk that GZ's head was getting slammed against could killed him.

Of course you guys are right. It's just my own feeling.

 

[FLDomer]

There is one person though that won't be able to testify.....and that is a tragedy.

If he could there wouldn't be a case here or at least this media circus. I fail to see the tragedy if TM did in fact go after GZ and attack him as GZ claims. If the script was flipped and GZ was the one killed I can guarantee you there would not be the media **** storm there is now. The media wants racial equality but feed the masses to get them all worked up only furthering the racial divide. But this just my opinion.

 

[Cackalacky]

If he could there wouldn't be a case here or at least this media circus. I fail to see the tragedy if TM did in fact go after GZ and attack him as GZ claims. If the script was flipped and GZ was the one killed I can guarantee you there would not be the media **** storm there is now. The media wants racial equality but feed the masses to get them all worked up only furthering the racial divide. But this just my opinion.

You missed my point. Anyway only one side of the story will get told. I made no statements on race as I could care less about that or the vultures in the media. A kid was shot and killed by a man. Justice will hardly be served in any case.

 

[Emcee77]

The tragedy is that Martin is dead ... if you believe that Martin wouldn't have really killed Zimmerman (as ACamp pointed out, we don't know that for sure and never will), nobody needed to die.

That's not to say that Zimmerman should go to jail for murder. If someone is punching me and slamming my head into a concrete sidewalk and reaching for my gun and telling me that I'm going to die (Zimmerman's story), I'm almost certainly justified in using deadly force against him.

But would Martin have really killed Zimmerman, if neither man was armed? I just find it hard to believe. That's the tragedy.

 

[FLDomer]

Cack, Emcee, you are both correct. It was a tragic incident. I guess i am just a lil annoyed with it on the news constantly down here. You are both correct and I did miss the point Cack. Apologies.

 

[Emcee77]

Cack, Emcee, you are both correct. It was a tragic incident. I guess i am just a lil annoyed with it on the news constantly down here. You are both correct and I did miss the point Cack. Apologies.

Oh, and you're not wrong to be annoyed. As we've said earlier in this thread, the media has blown some aspects of this case way out of proportion.