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In all the discussion on "Three Dragon Riders" and "Is Tyrion a Targaryen?" did we ever discuss the fact that Tyrion has the most legitimate claim to the throne if that theory were true?

I don't think it's going to be true, and even if it were I don't think it would work out this way (I think Tyrion would refuse the throne), but it would be *unique* if GRRM's "desolate" ending to the series were Tyrion, Jon and Dany, each with a dragon, sitting around in unhappy certainty after defeating the Night's King.

There are uncomfortable proposals, uncertain loyalties, and then the bittersweet ending to the series is a semi-cliffhanger, where GRRM makes us believe that one of them is willing to betray and kill the other two.
 
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IrishLion said:
In all the discussion on "Three Dragon Riders" and "Is Tyrion a Targaryen?" did we ever discuss the fact that Tyrion has the most legitimate claim to the throne if that theory were true?

I don't think it's going to be true, and even if it were I don't think it would work out this way (I think Tyrion would refuse the throne), but it would be *unique* if GRRM's "desolate" ending to the series were Tyrion, Jon and Dany, each with a dragon, sitting around in unhappy certainty after defeating the Night's King.

There are uncomfortable proposals, uncertain loyalties, and then the bittersweet ending to the series is a semi-cliffhanger, where GRRM makes us believe that one of them is willing to betray and kill the other two.
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I'm honestly not sure where they are going with the "3 Heads of the Dragon" prophecy at this point. I think the show is either going to completely go away from it or it is simply metaphorical rather than assuming 3 dragon riders.
 
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IrishLion said:
In all the discussion on "Three Dragon Riders" and "Is Tyrion a Targaryen?" did we ever discuss the fact that Tyrion has the most legitimate claim to the throne if that theory were true?

I don't think it's going to be true, and even if it were I don't think it would work out this way (I think Tyrion would refuse the throne), but it would be *unique* if GRRM's "desolate" ending to the series were Tyrion, Jon and Dany, each with a dragon, sitting around in unhappy certainty after defeating the Night's King.

There are uncomfortable proposals, uncertain loyalties, and then the bittersweet ending to the series is a semi-cliffhanger, where GRRM makes us believe that one of them is willing to betray and kill the other two.
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Well does a bastard have a higher claim than the true-born son of the Last Dragon?
 
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IrishLion said:
In all the discussion on "Three Dragon Riders" and "Is Tyrion a Targaryen?" did we ever discuss the fact that Tyrion has the most legitimate claim to the throne if that theory were true?
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How do you figure? Rhaegar's trueborn son (Jon) has the superior claim over Aerys II's bastard.
 
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wizards8507 said:
I said the exact same thing that Zelezo said, which you agreed with.
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Y'all are squabbling wiz's inability to form articulate sentences, meanwhile I'm over here just happy that I'm able to contribute.
 
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zelezo vlk said:
Y'all are squabbling wiz's inability to form articulate sentences, meanwhile I'm over here just happy that I'm able to contribute.
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My sentence was perfectly coherent. Wooly struggles with words like "trueborn" and "Aerys II."

"KALEESEE HAZ DRAGINZ! ICE ZOMBIES! CAPTEN FAZMA! HOUND AND MOUNTAIN! BEWBS!"
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wizards8507 said:
My sentence was perfectly coherent. Wooly struggles with words like "trueborn" and "Aerys II."

"KALEESEE HAZ DRAGINZ! ICE ZOMBIES! CAPTEN FAZMA! HOUND AND MOUNTAIN! BEWBS!"
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What??

Wooly please clear this up. What is Wiz trying to say?
 
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What??

Wooly please clear this up. What is Wiz trying to say?
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Don't mind him. He was in a terrible car wreck as a kid and has a dented skull. Makes him prone to violent outbursts. It's also the reason for his penchant for children's passions like Walt Disney and Harry Potter. Sadly, he can be seen still wearing the same Captain America t shirt that he wore as a child. Doesn't fit well. #sad
 
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I'm spitballing because I figure there has to be something about this baby that makes Jaime turn on Cersei.
 
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zelezo vlk said:
I'm spitballing because I figure there has to be something about this baby that makes Jaime turn on Cersei.
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I think maybe she will have Qyburn abort the child, and that will set Jaime over the edge.

Like, Dany will be knocking on the gates of King's Landing, or Cersei will see the devastation that dragons can inflict upon her world, and she will have one of her crazy fits and have the child aborted, rather than bringing it into the world to die. Like when she was ready to poison Tommen when Stannis was about to sack King's Landing.
 
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IrishLion said:
I think maybe she will have Qyburn abort the child, and that will set Jaime over the edge.

Like, Dany will be knocking on the gates of King's Landing, or Cersei will see the devastation that dragons can inflict upon her world, and she will have one of her crazy fits and have the child aborted, rather than bringing it into the world to die. Like when she was ready to poison Tommen when Stannis was about to sack King's Landing.
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Several of us have espoused this theory in the thread so far, and it's what I'm leaning towards. I figure it must be the baby that pushes Jaime away from Cersei so I was spitballing other ideas
 
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IrishLion said:
I think maybe she will have Qyburn abort the child, and that will set Jaime over the edge.

Like, Dany will be knocking on the gates of King's Landing, or Cersei will see the devastation that dragons can inflict upon her world, and she will have one of her crazy fits and have the child aborted, rather than bringing it into the world to die. Like when she was ready to poison Tommen when Stannis was about to sack King's Landing.
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That or she's not actually pregnant.
 
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zelezo vlk said:
Several of us have espoused this theory in the thread so far, and it's what I'm leaning towards. I figure it must be the baby that pushes Jaime away from Cersei so I was spitballing other ideas
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I don't think that's it. Cersei looked way too happy when she told Jaime about the baby. I think she'd probably drink poison and kill herself and the baby, not just abort it and stay alive if Dany was like attacking KL and burning shit to the ground and slaughtering everybody or on the march to do those things. That witch told her she'd only ever have 3 kids. I think she wants that baby. In part just as an F U to the witch who told her that prophecy. And she's just going to have a miscarriage because she's old as hell to be having a baby. Plus she's kind of a drunk.

I have a pretty big feeling that after Jon and company bring proof back about the white walkers from their little trip up north that Cersei ain't going to give a flying f***k. She's the definition of the C word. They made that word up for her. She'd probably rather just let the WW's kill everybody than to help Dany and Jon. That bitch is like that. She's a C**NT. She's not going to give two shits. I think this is where she's going to lose Jaime.

Remember Jaime only turned on the Mad King and killed the Mad King once the Mad King was going set all of KL's ablaze in wild fire and kill literally everyone. Cersei would basically be condemning everyone to death if she didn't chip and try to help fight the WW's. Jaime in a weird way is a man of honor. Jaime has changed a lot from the start of season 1 to now, I used to hate him but now he's someone I kind of like. I think he's going to be all about saving the world from the White Walkers because he's not a complete sociopath like his sis and Cersei just ain't going to give a f**k and they are going to come to blows about it.

You can already kind of see the fracturing happening. Olenna Tyrell got in his head about Cersei before she died. Deep down in his gut he knows she's right about Cersei. Cersei is a disease. Just an evil worthless cunt. This is going to be the last straw for him. I think.
 
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I don't think the Jamie/Brienne story arc is done. I think that Cersei's demise will somehow involve a conflict for Jamie over Brienne vs. Cersei.
 
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I don't think the Jamie/Brienne story arc is done. I think that Cersei's demise will somehow involve a conflict for Jamie over Brienne vs. Cersei.
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I like that. Her Mad Queen moment. She kills Brienne in some fucked up way when Jaime isn't there, probably after she loses the baby, and Jaime gets WOKE.
 
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So what I read from non-spoilers is that the Night's King is traveling to Eastwatch in order to walk across the frozen bay. The reasoning I've heard is that in the new opening, the bay is shown to be frozen.

Anybody else thinks that somebody gets touched by the Night's King or something or somehow bringing a wight south of the Wall will destroy the magical wards in place?
 
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zelezo vlk said:
So what I read from non-spoilers is that the Night's King is traveling to Eastwatch in order to walk across the frozen bay. The reasoning I've heard is that in the new opening, the bay is shown to be frozen.

Anybody else thinks that somebody gets touched by the Night's King or something or somehow bringing a wight south of the Wall will destroy the magical wards in place?
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Somehow I have no idea what this means. Can you explain the magical wards? Have I missed a key element in the show?
 
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