Game of Thrones

[GATTACA!]

Now I get it. Thanks. That makes sense.

If this does happen then book wise the throne would rightfully belong to Stannis, which was the argument he was making all along.

 

[woolybug25]

If this does happen then book wise the throne would rightfully belong to Stannis, which was the argument he was making all along.

The throne belongs to any living male Targarean... Period...

ie - whoever that is... Cough... Jon Snow... Cough...

 

[GATTACA!]

Edit - I didn't think of it, but the more I think of it, why does that matter anyway? Technically, Robert didn't have right to the throne either. He took it with the assassination of the Mad King. At this point in the storyline. The Lannister bloodline is what gives him the "right". I mean, let's be real, nobody not named Targarean is taking the throne by force. Incest is moot to that point.

Well Robert's claim, beyond being the one that ousted the Mad King, was because back in the lineage the Baratheons have some Targ blood.

 

[GATTACA!]

The throne belongs to any living male Targarean... Period...

ie - whoever that is... Cough... Jon Snow... Cough...

Well yeah im sure it will end up coming to that lol.

Unless GRRM really wants to subvert expectations. I was just talking about what will happen in between Tommen inevitably dying and Jon Snow being legitimized.

 

[IrishLion]

There was a big long reddit about successor to the throne and it ends up being Lancel. Frankly once the Wildfire goes, it'll be the first person to touch the throne, lol.

Is Jaime still a member of the Kingsguard in the books?

I don't think he is in the show, meaning he's next in line according to that Reddit post.

His punishment from Tommen hasn't happened yet in the books, so idk what the deal is there.

 

[zelezo vlk]

Now I get it. Thanks. That makes sense.

Edit - I didn't think of it, but the more I think of it, why does that matter anyway? Technically, Robert didn't have right to the throne either. He took it with the assassination of the Mad King. At this point in the storyline. The Lannister bloodline is what gives him the "right". I mean, let's be real, nobody not named Targarean is taking the throne by force. Incest is moot to that point.

It matters because if nobody is really the legal heir, then the families will all fight until they either have the Iron Throne, or will be positioned well in the aftermath. Nobody gives up anything for free, especially the Throne. Considering no direct descendants would be alive, there should be considerable strife.

It's like you never studied the 100 Years War or Italian Wars of the 16th Century in depth.

Hope that clears it up for ya

 

[woolybug25]

There was a big long reddit about successor to the throne and it ends up being Lancel. Frankly once the Wildfire goes, it'll be the first person to touch the throne, lol.

That doesn't really make sense considering there has been multiple bastards sit on the throne in the Targarean bloodline. The story could be played out that way in the show if they wanted, but the reality is that there have been several bastard Targareans sit on the throne.

 

[woolybug25]

It matters because if nobody is really the legal heir, then the families will all fight until they either have the Iron Throne, or will be positioned well in the aftermath. Nobody gives up anything for free, especially the Throne. Considering no direct descendants would be alive, there should be considerable strife.

It's like you never studied the 100 Years War or Italian Wars of the 16th Century in depth.

Hope that clears it up for ya

I was clear from the start. Again... That's the plot of the show. Incest doesn't effect that either way.

 

[GATTACA!]

Is Jaime still a member of the Kingsguard in the books?

I don't think he is in the show, meaning he's next in line according to that Reddit post.

His punishment from Tommen hasn't happened yet in the books, so idk what the deal is there.

Yes Jaime is still part of the kingsguard in the books. Even if he wasn't, in that scenario he would be facing some punishment from the faith for his incesty sins, so it's unlikely he would get the nod.

 

[woolybug25]

Well Robert's claim, beyond being the one that ousted the Mad King, was because back in the lineage the Baratheons have some Targ blood.

True... but are you sure Jaime isn't Targarean? [\looks around nervously]

 

[zelezo vlk]

I was clear from the start. Again... That's the plot of the show. Incest doesn't effect that either way.

Yes it does if the incest is not from the ruling family. 2 Lannisters =/= 2 Targaryens. One of those families was the legitimate ruling family of Westeros for centuries, the other positioned themselves well for the aftermath of Robert's Rebellion. If the Tommen has no Baratheon bloodline, then he has been on the throne illegitimately since his coronation. If that's the case, then which family really has the strongest claim? Since everyone will find some reason to argue that, at least to gain something from the confusion, then of course there will be strife.

 

[GATTACA!]

True... but are you sure Jaime isn't Targarean? [\looks around nervously]

Well Tyrion is the time traveling son of Daenerys so wouldn't his claim be stronger??

No joke that's actually a fan theory.

 

[woolybug25]

Yes it does if the incest is not from the ruling family. 2 Lannisters =/= 2 Targaryens. One of those families was the legitimate ruling family of Westeros for centuries, the other positioned themselves well for the aftermath of Robert's Rebellion. If the Tommen has no Baratheon bloodline, then he has been on the throne illegitimately since his coronation. If that's the case, then which family really has the strongest claim? Since everyone will find some reason to argue that, at least to gain something from the confusion, then of course there will be strife.

Dude... Right now, there is the assumption of there being no Targarean males. Again, the reason why ALL people that want to claim the throne are going to have to take it. That's the storyline. Every single person until a Targarean is revealed will be taking it illegitimately. There are no Targareans and no Baratheons. We are watching a world with a supposed lack of actual male bloodline to the throne. Incest be damned.

 

[GATTACA!]

Dude... Right now, there is the assumption of there being no Targarean males. Again, the reason why ALL people that want to claim the throne are going to have to take it. That's the storyline. Every single person until a Targarean is revealed will be taking it illegitimately. There are no Targareans and no Baratheons. We are watching a world with a supposed lack of actual male bloodline to the throne. Incest be damned.

Well if you're right about incest not mattering then Gendry would probably have a pretty strong claim. Actually I think Robert might have a few older bastards that Gendry, but i'm not sure off the top of my head.

 

[woolybug25]

Well Tyrion is the time traveling son of Daenerys so wouldn't his claim be stronger??

No joke that's actually a fan theory.

That's the first I heard that one. lolz

The Mad King was a philanderer... That's all I'm sayin'... [\sniff]

 

[GATTACA!]

That's the first I heard that one. lolz

The Mad King was a philanderer... That's all I'm sayin'... [\sniff]

Get your tin foil hat out before you read this.

 

[woolybug25]

Get your tin foil hat out before you read this.

That dude does a tremendous amount of drugs.

 

[phork]

Theon is going to sit on the Iron Throne at the end of it all to rule a wasted kingdom.

 

[IrishLion]

I want Dolorous Ed to sit on the Iron Throne.

 

[zelezo vlk]

Dude... Right now, there is the assumption of there being no Targarean males. Again, the reason why ALL people that want to claim the throne are going to have to take it. That's the storyline. Every single person until a Targarean is revealed will be taking it illegitimately. There are no Targareans and no Baratheons. We are watching a world with a supposed lack of actual male bloodline to the throne. Incest be damned.

I don't understand why you are confused. If Tommen is on the throne illegitimately, then most politicall pieces will shuffle. Incest in Tommen's lineage matters because without the Targarean blood by way of the Baratheon family, his claim to the Iron Throne is very weak. Your question was "why does incest matter"? I'm not sure what else was unclear.

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[dublinirish]

Theon is going to sit on the Iron Throne at the end of it all to rule a wasted kingdom.

Hail the one true southern king

 

[woolybug25]

I don't understand why you are confused. If Tommen is on the throne illegitimately, then most politicall pieces will shuffle. Incest in Tommen's lineage matters because without the Targarean blood by way of the Baratheon family, his claim to the Iron Throne is very weak. Your question was "why does incest matter"? I'm not sure what else was unclear.

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I'm not confused at all. You are saying that his illegitimacy will shuffle things up and I'm telling you that they are already shuffled, my man. That's the whole plot of the freaking show. Nobody cares if he was a child of incest because it's irrelevant to why he isn't the true heir to the throne. Every single character that would think they should be on the throne already think it. They already don't think he is legitimate even as Robert's son. So if he wasn't his son, then what does that change?

Things are already shuffled. Everyone already thinks Tommen isn't the legitimate heir to the throne.

 

[BleedBlueGold]

FINALLY caught up and can now bless you all with my presence in this thread, which has been so hard to avoid during my binge-watching.

 

[phork]

FINALLY caught up and can now bless you all with my presence in this thread, which has been so hard to avoid during my binge-watching.

Annnnnnnnnnd.... Nothing to add. Nice post!

 

[BleedBlueGold]

Annnnnnnnnnd.... Nothing to add. Nice post!

Nothing that I'm sure hasn't been discussed already ad nauseam.

 

[Whiskeyjack]

FINALLY caught up and can now bless you all with my presence in this thread, which has been so hard to avoid during my binge-watching.

Finally got around to watching S6E8 myself last night. Should have named it "Hypeslayer". No LSH and no Cleganebowl...

 

[ND NYC]

Rooting for Nights King to gain the throne, and for Drogon to be Hand of the King.

the hell with the rest of the li'l bastards...

 

[GrangerIrish24]

Rooting for Nights King to gain the throne, and for Drogon to be Hand of the King.

the hell with the rest of the li'l bastards...

Can zombie Mountain stay on as a Maester?

 

[ND NYC]

Can zombie Mountain stay on as a Maester?

absolutely. love that guy!

 

[BleedBlueGold]

I didn't read the books. I also stayed away from all theories, spoilers, and articles. So with that said, there's a lot of stuff I apparently missed while binge watching the show. Somehow I missed the entire backstory that connected Robert Baratheon to Lyanna Stark to Rhaegar Targaryen, and the possibility that Jon Snow is the son of Lyanna and Rhaegar. I scanned this thread and a while back, I think it was Wooly who posted a YouTube link to the Dragon Rider theory, Jon's lineage and resurrection, etc. I'm pissed that I completely missed this, yet at the same time even more excited to see where this goes. Again, since I haven't read the books, I honestly don't have a clue. It makes sens to me though that Jon is in fact a Targaryen, nephew to Daenerys. It makes sense to me that he could also be a dragon rider. The third? I'm not sure. Tirion seems likely perhaps. I'm not sure.

Also, if Bran Stark can be seen and touched by the Nights King, and also "heard" by his father in his traveling back in time, does anyone think that a future episode, Bran may try and go back to warn the Mad King of all this destruction, war, and evil...turning King Aerys crazy thus the "Mad King" label? Idk the backstory there and why they call him that. Just the parts about him saying "Burn them all, burn them all." Could he be referring to the dead bodies so they don't become White Walkers (a warning from future Bran)? Perhaps you guys have already discussed this, idk.