Wild Bill
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I have no shame because this is not a war. It’s an operation. I was not angry when Democrats launched bombs to kill bad guys for the right reasons. That is consistent. I am similarly not angry here. The reflexive griping about going to Congress is stupid. Presidents shouldn’t signal attacks in the modern era. We don’t march in columns towards the enemy position anymore. If anything, it was signaled with the massive troop buildups and movement in the weeks prior, but I don’t give a shit if they do it for the right reasons and it’s short. I do think longer operations should have some approval.
I am only angry when they are incompetent (Afghanistan departure) and put our people at unnecessary risk. Stabilizing Iran is 100% worth it.
Criticism of this war, or whatever we want to call it, isn’t coming only from the left. There is a very real critique grounded in observable outcomes. Just look at the cause and effect over the past twenty years.The first day of the operation against Iran, I joked to a family member that the leftists and the usual useful idiots would probably decry decapitating Iran's crazy regime and find a way to complain about us removing them as a threat. I was joking. I was sure even the worst of the bunch wouldn't actually do that. I stand before you admitting that I was so very very wrong.
Iraq - Overthrew Saddam Hussein, spent trillions of dollars, lost thousands of American lives, and the country has experienced two decades of instability
Libya - NATO intervention (effectively an american intervention), killed Gaddafi. After the regime collapsed, the country fractured and created chaos. Was teh catalyst for refugee crisis in Europe (exactly as Gaddafi predicted).
Syria - US and Israel effort to overthrow government. Led to long deadly civil war, total instability and millions of refugges into Europe
Afghanistan - Twenty years of war occupation ended with the Taliban returning to power. Trillions lost, American lives lost. No stability gained.
Gaza - The US provides billions of military aid and political support to Israel. Repeated wars and conflict. Result is outrageous levels of civilians dead and widespread destruction of infrastructure.
Yemen - US backed the Saudi-led war and I beleive did their own bombing as well. Years of fighting, no stability and enormous levels of civilian suffering.
Lebanon - US funds Israel bombing them. Many factors here but that's a huge component and country completely collapsed
Egypt - US meddling helped remove Mubarak. The great color revolution resulted in military governing, removal of political opposition, economic disaster, and American taxpayers giving their gov't over a billion a year to capitulate to Israel.
The US helped create the conditions that led to the current regime taking power in Iran, and now many of the same people who supported all the nonsense listed above are telling us we need to use our money, our weapons, and American lives to hammer Iran in the name of stability and American safety. That's what the same policymakers and politicians who promoted all of this shit claim now.
I don't believe them. I believe the opposite is true - they want instability and a result of that instabity is americans are less safe. I'm sure some will disagree, but does the motive really even matter? Let's just just use our fucking brains and examine the results, and it's very obvious how this ends if they topple Iran - decades of instability, millions of refugees and Americans eating a pile of shit and payin the tab.