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Who negotiated for us to leave there?
I have pretty consistently stated here that the Afghanistan withdrawal was a disaster from the negotiation with the Taliban without the Afghanistan government, to the ordered withdrawal at the end of the Trump term, to the execution of the withdrawal under Biden. Trump stated in 2022 that he was never going to close Bagram in his plan (which I doubt), but Biden had a full 8 months to pause, modify, or back down from a plan that was a bad plan regardless.
The whole thing was a cluster fuck because of Trump. Just wanted to make sure we were on the same page. Which it seems like we are
I don't think we are, unless you also agree that the Biden administration continued the fuckup and in some ways exacerbated it. Biden ignored military leadership advice to pause the withdrawal as the Taliban was rapidly gaining territory, and he instead moved the withdrawal timeline to the left, making the problem worse.
Biden handled the withdrawal poorly yes. So we're on the same page. It was initially caused by Trump and him leaving the Afghanistan government out of negotiations, and only negotiating with the Taliban.
Except Biden could have backed out of it and renegotiated or at least pushed back the withdrawal to make sure things were handled properly.
Why were we even in that situation to begin with? Because of Trump
Try again. We were in Afghanistan long before Trump. Trump wanted to get out of there so we weren't losing lives and wasting money on a war we weren't going to win. The Taliban isn't a recognized government so I doubt it would be binding. Biden rescinded over three dozen of Trump's EO's in his first week in office. He could have easily told the Taliban to FO or tell them it was going to be after the deadline before we pulled out.
Must not have wanted to get out that badly..didn't even do it during his term.
So you just completely write off Trump's role in that situation because it doesn't fit your agenda? Many people were responsible for the whole middle east situation. But if you can't even acknowledge Trump's role in the whole thing I don't know what the point of this conversation is.
Irish's level of brain rot is unreal.
It's crazy. Trump negotiated a deal with the Taliban, a terrorist organization, released 5000 taliban prisoners, some responsible for attacking Americans as we evacuated. And he won't place any blame on trump.
We must not criticize Dear Leader.
I acknowledge his role. He negotiated the withdrawal. To put this all on Trump is wrong. He didn't put us in there in the first place. Now acknowledge that Biden could have simply told the Taliban to FO that we weren't leaving or we were going to do it at a later date. People lost their lives because of his incompetence.
I placed blame on Biden as well. People lost their lives because of the incompetence of multiple men, not just Biden, not just Trump. Trump didn't just negotiate the withdrawal. He negotiated the release of 5000 Taliban, some who were responsible for deadly attacks on Americans as we evacuated.
Who cares whether they would accept it. Suddenly we’re afraid of the Taliban? Lol
We all agree the withdrawal was handled poorly and should've been better planned and executed. Both Biden and Trump are too blame for that. I don't get what's so hard to admit about that.
I'm not blaming Trump, I simply stated both are responsible
Not in the slightest. I'm glad we're finally out of there