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Bishop2b5 said:
And this is who the left supports and cheers for.
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Gaza: Red Cross outraged over killing of medics by Israeli forces

Six Civil Defence first responders and a UN employee were also killed in the incident in Rafah on 23 March.
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"Five ambulances, a fire truck and a UN vehicle were struck "one by one" in the al-Hashashin area on 23 March, according to a UN official. The 15 bodies were recovered from a "mass grave" on Sunday, he said."

This is who the right supports and cheers for.
 
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TorontoGold said:
Israel? What is the reasoning behind asking this?
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The impression that I've been left with is that you strongly oppose Israel and you strongly oppose Hamas. Just trying to ascertain which one you more strongly oppose. If I am overstating your opposition to Israel, my apologies.
 
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ab2cmiller said:
The impression that I've been left with is that you strongly oppose Israel and you strongly oppose Hamas. Just trying to ascertain which one you more strongly oppose. If I am overstating your opposition to Israel, my apologies.
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This is how I approach it. It's like when have a rabid dog that attacks a child. The owner who abuses that dog doesn't care, they don't accept any blame and they are mystified as to why that dog is so violent. Then the people in neighborhood all agree that dog should be put down. You then see people start a campaign to eliminate that type of dog because all that dog knows is to be violent. There is no reflection on why the owner, who is supposed to be the rational actor, failed so miserably at their responsibilities.

So, with Hamas I think they should be eliminated and barred from any official political status. My issue with many on this site and in general is that people misunderstand the power dynamic. 100 times out of 100, the religious extremist group will be in the wrong that is always true. What I don't believe in is collective punishment. I know that many will point to "well the people in Gaza support them", which is the dumbest argument. Of course they'll support them. All they've been exposed to is violence. When they have October 7th's happening monthly, they are going to choose the side that kills them less. It's not excusing the violence, no one has ever been bombed/slaughtered into being more accepting or peaceful. The longer that a war criminal is the leader of the state of Israel the worse it is for Israeli citizens. Bibi is uniquely bad in that he carries out war crimes, but also he conflates the Jewish people with his administrations actions. This leads to ignorant people thinking that Jewish people are a monolith and support his actions, and thus you have antisemites like Jackson Hinkle and Nick Fuentes pushing insane rhetoric about how all Jewish people are like this.

Tldr - It's stupid to think of this as a measuring of which side is worse, the religious nutjobs will always be worse, but I will never excuse war crimes and support collective punishment. There's the Geneva conventions for a reason.
 
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TorontoGold said:
know that many will point to "well the people in Gaza support them", which is the dumbest argument.
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It's also dumb because it's not factually correct. The last elections had Hamas winning a plurality of support, not even a majority..let alone "all".

Polling late last year had Hamas support at barely above 30%.

No matter what, it's a fucked up tough to read situation.
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As you said the Hamas vs Israel question is inherently unfair..or even dumb for two reasons.
1. As you alluded to, Israel is the more powerful country here and should have the higher standard of culpability for its actions.
2. Israel, being a country, can change its way by force of vote. You can elect more moderate/peace candidates to oust Bibi. Israel is not a monolith. Hamas is(for all intents and purposes). Palestinians aren't. Hamas isn't going to change their viewpoint/methods, they are a "party". Israel is not. The Palestinian people are also not a monolith and can elect different people or parties if they so choose.....well..once/if they get elections again.
 
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TorontoGold said:
Name one person on here that has supported Hamas. You think you're able to do that? Or scurry away like always
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I didn't say anything about anyone on IE. I said "the left" and you said "nobody supports hamas" also without mentioning IE. Read more carefully or try to not distort everything others say. I understand why you have to, but it isn't effective. And BTW, yes, the left most certainly HAS supported and cheered for hamas. Your side has the moral compass of a roach.
 
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