Fight On!

[TerryTate]

Here you go:

 

[phork]

Bush didn't steal either, in fact as far as i know, no athlete being currently investigated, whether that be at SC or UNC, Bama, etc., is being accused of stealing. They were GIVEN benefits by Boosters or agents.

Masoli commited multiple crimes that he could go to jail for, but nothing happens at oregon. why is that? i thought they were supposed to look after all their athletes?

You really are a moron. What Masoli did was a personal thing, UNRELATED TO FOOTBALL. He was suspended then kicked off the team. Bush was paid to play, won a Heisman and a NC. Much different outcomes.

 

[Jo Jo the Dog Faced Boy]

The difference is that Oregon had the balls to kick Massoli out of school. USC would have suspended him for the first quarter of the opener--if they did anything at all.

Get it?

 

[dshans]

so you're really saying that getting paid is worse than stealing? well shit i guess my morals are just screwed huh?

Look at it this way: Accepting benefits or pay, not available to the other thousands of college athletes, IS stealing when skirting the rules. It robs other, ethical students and programs on occasion. It is theft of an ideal of amateur status and the concept of "STUDENT Athlete." There is an element of fraud involved as well. On both sides of the equation, especially with Mayo.

The "student" barters skills and amateur status for tuition, room, board, books (not chicken feed if the kids actually attend real-world classes), and tutors on demand in exchange for an education and a worthwhile degree. Granted circumstances do intervene, but when it's damn clear "that something is rotten in the state of Denmark" somebody, somebody, SOMEBODY has to step up. AD, coach or compliance personnel (in USC's case, apparently, compliance person). Institutional control requires meaningful input and oversight from more than just the athletic department.

The university's responsibility is to ensure, through required oversight, that scholarship funds are properly meted out be they academic, need based or athletic. Wink-wink, nudge-nudge; "at that point in time I have no recollection" ain't gonna hack it. The Sergeant Schultz "I know nothing" defense doesn't play.

The rules, whether you agree with them or not, are what they are. No need to get into arguing moral absolutes or situational ethics.

There's a cookie jar out there, but it's intended to be public and not one that's up for bids.

 

[HereComeTheIrish]

Look at it this way: Accepting benefits or pay, not available to the other thousands of college athletes, IS stealing when skirting the rules. It robs other, ethical students and programs on occasion. It is theft of an ideal of amateur status and the concept of "STUDENT Athlete." There is an element of fraud involved as well. On both sides of the equation, especially with Mayo.

The "student" barters skills and amateur status for tuition, room, board, books (not chicken feed if the kids actually attend real-world classes), and tutors on demand in exchange for an education and aworthwhile degree. Granted circumstances do intervene, but when it's damn clear "that something is rotten in the state of Denmark" somebody, somebody, SOMEBODY has to step up. AD, coach or compliance personnel (in USC's case, apparently, compliance person). Institutional control requires meaningful input and oversight from more than just the athletic department.

The university's responsibility is to ensure, through required oversight, that scholarship funds are properly meted out be they academic, need based or athletic. Wink-wink, nudge-nudge; "at that point in time I have no recollection" ain't gonna hack it. The Sergeant Schultz "I know nothing" defense doesn't play.

The rules, whether you agree with them or not, are what they are. No need to get into arguing moral absolutes or situational ethics.

There's a cookie jar out there, but it's intended to be public and not one that's up for bids.

One clap for every legitimate National Championship and legitimate Heisman Trophy Winner....

 

[uscfootball93]

1) How was that going to prevent this? Are you serious? Ummm, maybe having more than ONE GUY in your compliance office would not have allowed Bush's car questionnaire to have THE MOST IMPORTANT QUESTION on there blank. Maybe more than one guy would have noticed and told Cheetey Petey that he had illegally hired an extra coach. Maybe more than one guy would have been able to figure out that Todd McNair knew what was going on.

As for those other schools, they got busted for the same reason you guys did...they didn't oversee their players enough! You're right - they are getting investigated because they are the exact same as USC. Oh wait, I take that back - they're not the same, they are being PROACTIVE in this and working with the NCAA. USC on the other hand had the pompous attitude that makes everyone hate them...they insisted they did nothing wrong and, through your own admission, thinks everyone is jealous of them LOL. You got what you deserved. The others are learning from your stupidity.

2) So because they didn't think it would happen, that makes it OK??? Guess what, you can name all the schools that are getting into major trouble, and none of them are NOTRE DAME. (Cue the stupid Kim Dunbar argument, which will make him look even worse)

3) You might not be able to watch over everyone, but you can watch your best players. So Matty Leinart was more high profile at the time. BFD. You act like Bush was the third string punter. When this went down the whole nation knew who he was, and his incredible talent made him a target for slimy agents. What, you didn't think they'd come after him? Did you think he sucked or something? Pathetic. He was a highly sought after recruit and an instant star. You CHOSE not to watch after him, and now it's biting you in the ass. You guys call them 'Trojans for life', well guess what, that Trojan was a selfish prick who wouldn't cooperate with the NCAA, wouldn't pay off those thugs to save your univeraity, and now you're paying the price for recruiting that selfish prick. Congrats!

4) You hate bball and could care less about Mayo. Fine. But guess what, the reason your asses got handed such a stiff penalty was b/c the NCAA does care about bball, and your idiotic AD allowed Mayo's thug handler into the program despite knowing what a slimeball he was. LOIC, plain and simple.

5) ND has alumni with just as deep pockets as you do, but somehow we keep them in check. I don't see us losing 30 schollies in 3 years, do you? So I guess it can be done. But poor you guys, it just can't be done at USC. Interesting. Maybe that's because you idiots allowed ANYONE and everyone onto your practice field and into your locker room. There's a reason you guys were forced to change your practice ways.

6) Steroids - ever heard of the Tings? Oh wait, that's right, you probably just became a fan of SC. Let me guess, before that, you were a Raider fan, right? Welcome to the bandwagon partner.

And LOL at weed triggering a PED positive test. You don't read much, do you? Let me guess, you also buy Cushing's excuse that he thought he had cancer right, and that's why he tested positive right? Or wait, even better, you believed that he tested positive b/c he worked out too much right? BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!

You USC fans sure are easy, and entertaining too (annnnnnddddd....that's what she said)...

Forgot about the tings, but they got kicked off the team. And how do you know if your alumni aren't doing the same thing? dont be so sure, SC thought the same thing and look what happenned now. And ND fan talking about pompous attitude? HAH! come on you guys are some of the cockiest fans in cfb. As for the coaches, the special times guy was consulted, not a coach. And McNair MAY have known about it, no guarantee he had solid evidence.
And yes, its not too hard to believe that SC was watching over Leinart closer than they were watching over Bush, shit Bush only started a few games in 04 and didn't even lead the team in any stats, yes he was an explosive player, but ask any pro scout at the time and they woulda said Leinart was easily SC's best pro prospect.

 

[uscfootball93]

You really are a moron. What Masoli did was a personal thing, UNRELATED TO FOOTBALL. He was suspended then kicked off the team. Bush was paid to play, won a Heisman and a NC. Much different outcomes.

look dumbass, read carefully.

I KNOW WHAT MASOLI DID HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH FOOTBALL, BUT HE IS AN EXAMPLE OF A UNIVERSITY NOT WATCHING OVER AN ATHLETE, BUT YET THEY GET LET OFF THE HOOK, WHILE SC GETS SHIT FOR DOING THE SAME THING.

And Bush did not win a NC.

 

[uscfootball93]

The difference is that Oregon had the balls to kick Massoli out of school. USC would have suspended him for the first quarter of the opener--if they did anything at all.

Get it?

They would have? Last time i checked Masoli had stolen shit and they suspended him. Read that again, HE STOLE, the same crap that a bank robber would get sent to jail for, Masoli got a slap on the wrist.

 

[uscfootball93]

Look at it this way: Accepting benefits or pay, not available to the other thousands of college athletes, IS stealing when skirting the rules. It robs other, ethical students and programs on occasion. It is theft of an ideal of amateur status and the concept of "STUDENT Athlete." There is an element of fraud involved as well. On both sides of the equation, especially with Mayo.

The "student" barters skills and amateur status for tuition, room, board, books (not chicken feed if the kids actually attend real-world classes), and tutors on demand in exchange for an education and a worthwhile degree. Granted circumstances do intervene, but when it's damn clear "that something is rotten in the state of Denmark" somebody, somebody, SOMEBODY has to step up. AD, coach or compliance personnel (in USC's case, apparently, compliance person). Institutional control requires meaningful input and oversight from more than just the athletic department.

The university's responsibility is to ensure, through required oversight, that scholarship funds are properly meted out be they academic, need based or athletic. Wink-wink, nudge-nudge; "at that point in time I have no recollection" ain't gonna hack it. The Sergeant Schultz "I know nothing" defense doesn't play.

The rules, whether you agree with them or not, are what they are. No need to get into arguing moral absolutes or situational ethics.

There's a cookie jar out there, but it's intended to be public and not one that's up for bids.

Tell me one athlete that screwed over because of Bush's family getting some benefits. The ones that got screwed were the players that are on the team NOW. If you wanna bring up getting screwed, bring up the NCAA for screwing SC's team. If NCAA wants to argue that Bush getting extra benefits was serious because it hurt other athletes, then they should look at what they're doing at SC now.

And troll? aight i'm a troll, that's exactly why i havn't even been talking any crap until your own posters did.

 

[uscfootball93]

Funny, you'll impune a 19 Y/O kid, but you won't name me.

Get used to getting clobbered, when you, an SC fan, brings up anyone else's performance/record/recruiting/NCs...Part of your identity as an SC fan is now "Cheater"...banging on someone else, even in jest makes you look hypocritical, and thats a button of mine and alot of other folks.

if you were kidding when you talked smack about our recent history, I sure couldn't tell...you should tread lighter being in the shoes you are in...although that piece of advice appears to be wasted on you...you'll finger other schools, finger other players, dismiss real issues, blame the NCAA, deny what is already out there regarding your program, its players, etc. This just pisses folks off worse.

My issue with you, and many SC fans is, you actually think SC is OK, and that you are too.

Your school is a problem, and so is your attitude toward your school's conduct. Gives me little hope SC will address its issues long term.

You like predictions...here's one...Laynie is going to get you SMU'd within 5 years...If I had to guess, it will be related to recruting Jr. High School kids.

The McDonald thing isn't in jest, it's true go contact your school if you want and test him. And 19 year old? shit he's an adult already and he's older than me, if he can't take criticism (especially when it's the truth) then he should think about what he's planning on doing in the future with the NFL.

And yea, i think SC is a damn good school, do i think the same about ND hell yea, because it's the truth. I get pissed off when you go off on a school that i love, that i got family that goes there, and that are alumni. You guys want to talk about having a classless fan base or w/e, then look at yourselves. I doubt any of you guys have even bothered to check how this started. Look back at what you responded to in the beginning, was i being disrespectful about your university? no. Was i talking crap about your program our your players? no. I brought up one fact and i get shit from you, and then you get offended when i bring up another fact and defend my school?

 

[GoingGreen]

look dumbass, read carefully.

I KNOW WHAT MASOLI DID HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH FOOTBALL, BUT HE IS AN EXAMPLE OF A UNIVERSITY NOT WATCHING OVER AN ATHLETE, BUT YET THEY GET LET OFF THE HOOK, WHILE SC GETS SHIT FOR DOING THE SAME THING.

And Bush did not win a NC.

What do you mean Oregon got off the hook? They lost their best quarterback.

 

[HereComeTheIrish]

The McDonald thing isn't in jest, it's true go contact your school if you want and test him. And 19 year old? shit he's an adult already and he's older than me, if he can't take criticism (especially when it's the truth) then he should think about what he's planning on doing in the future with the NFL.

And yea, i think SC is a damn good school, do i think the same about ND hell yea, because it's the truth. I get pissed off when you go off on a school that i love, that i got family that goes there, and that are alumni. You guys want to talk about having a classless fan base or w/e, then look at yourselves. I doubt any of you guys have even bothered to check how this started. Look back at what you responded to in the beginning, was i being disrespectful about your university? no. Was i talking crap about your program our your players? no. I brought up one fact and i get shit from you, and then you get offended when i bring up another fact and defend my school?

This is so noble and almost brought a tear to my eye....

But I'll state again... If you come down on one of our players again without proof, I'll be more than happy to jetison your ass off into eternity myself. Said player has done nothing wrong. He's never been accused of doing any wrong. If fact, you're the only slow-swimming, shallow end of the gene pool Mofo claiming to be in the know. RED FLAG!!!! Unless you've got proof of his transgressions, my suggestion would be to just go away. Slander is no fun and I'd hate to see something happen.

I know it sucks losing a recruit, but eventually, you just have to get over it.

 

[GoingGreen]

I doubt any of you guys have even bothered to check how this started. Look back at what you responded to in the beginning, was i being disrespectful about your university? no. Was i talking crap about your program our your players? no. I brought up one fact and i get shit from you, and then you get offended when i bring up another fact and defend my school?

Well, you said:

i dont know how the ruling works with showing off national championships, but i think SC can still claim 11 NC's because of the AP national championship from that year.

Then TerryTate did a little friendly smack talk, and you flipped out and bashed ND.

 

[dshans]

Tell me one athlete that screwed over because of Bush's family getting some benefits. The ones that got screwed were the players that are on the team NOW. If you wanna bring up getting screwed, bring up the NCAA for screwing SC's team. If NCAA wants to argue that Bush getting extra benefits was serious because it hurt other athletes, then they should look at what they're doing at SC now.

Q.E.D.

USC screwed up. They got caught. Current players are up shit's creek without a paddle. [Not really, since the NFL scouts mine bottom tier programs and could give a shit about character.] Had Bush been tossed out on his ear, as he should have been, other legitimate candidates may have had a shot at the excellent education USC offers, should they have opted to truly take advantage of the opportunity.

USC has no one to blame but itself for whatever damage is being done due to NCAA sanctions.

Some have chosen to transfer or renege on their commitments. Many may think twice before committing. Who knows? Play by the rules and let the chips fall where they may.

 

[HereComeTheIrish]

Well, you said: Then TerryTate did a little friendly smack talk, and you flipped out and bashed ND.

Hah....But let not facts ruin his argument.

I freaking hate SC bottom feeders. They are Raider Fan-Lite.... Biggeset fair-weathered, douche bags on the planet. Ask ACamp or TD....They'll vouch.

 

[Jo Jo the Dog Faced Boy]

Why is this so hard for you to understand. USC didn't just get in trouble because Bush took $$$$. The problem was he and his family took the $$$$ and the coaches knew about it but looked the other way.

You don't get your ass handed to you by the NCAA because one player broke the rules. The big penalties come when the school buries their head and ignores everything.

Google SMU & death penalty......it could be a nice look into usc's future.

 

[HereComeTheIrish]

Why is this so hard for you to understand. USC didn't just get in trouble because Bush took $$$$. The problem was he and his family took the $$$$ and the coaches knew about it but looked the other way.

You don't get your ass handed to you by the NCAA because one player broke the rules. The big penalties come when the school buries their head and ignores everything.

Google SMU & death penalty......it could be a nice look into usc's future.

JoJo....Thank you, as you're new here, but that's a fantastic way to look at it. He's looking it from that singular instance, but the NCAA busted them for being dumbasses on a grander scale.... LMMFAO.

 

[Jason Pham]

 

[HereComeTheIrish]

GoGo Popcorn something.... lol

 

[mgriff]

Testicles.

 

[no.1IrishFan]

look dumbass,ead carefully.

I KNOW WHAT MASOLI DID HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH FOOTBALL, BUT HE IS AN EXAMPLE OF A UNIVERSITY NOT WATCHING OVER AN ATHLETE, BUT YET THEY GET LET OFF THE HOOK, WHILE SC GETS SHIT FOR DOING THE SAME THING.

And Bush did not win a NC.

I know you are but what am I?

 

[dshans]

Testicles.

Whoa! Hold the phone! Just a sec! Has this thread morphed into Word Game?

 

[GreatGolson]

Testicles.

sex ed

 

[NDinL.A.]

Forgot about the tings, but they got kicked off the team. And how do you know if your alumni aren't doing the same thing? dont be so sure, SC thought the same thing and look what happenned now. And ND fan talking about pompous attitude? HAH! come on you guys are some of the cockiest fans in cfb. As for the coaches, the special times guy was consulted, not a coach. And McNair MAY have known about it, no guarantee he had solid evidence.
And yes, its not too hard to believe that SC was watching over Leinart closer than they were watching over Bush, shit Bush only started a few games in 04 and didn't even lead the team in any stats, yes he was an explosive player, but ask any pro scout at the time and they woulda said Leinart was easily SC's best pro prospect.

1. And why did the Tings get kicked off the team? FOR STEROIDS. You said the only connection to steroids was Cushing, and that it could have been weed that triggered the positive STEROID test (LOL!!!!), and then you come back with, "Oh, I forgot...but they got kicked off the team so that means SC really didn't have anything to do with steroids." Riiiiiiiight.

2. I know the alumni isn't doing it b/c it hasn't happened as long as I've been a fan. I know it happens at SC b/c you guys got caught. I know that's hard for you to understand, but it's really simple math.

3. The NCAA thinks McNair knew about it...that's all that matters. That was a huge reason for the severe penalties.

4.The special teams 'guy' was an illegal coach. Yeah, Cheetey Peety tried to skirt the rules by calling him a 'consultant' (and you're gullible enough to believe him LOL), but he was on campus helping out your awful special teams...he was a coach, period. The guy wasn't just anyone, he was a special teams guru from the NFL. Right when your compliance office, errrrrr, person, found out about it they put the squash on it. Problem was they didn;t find out until a year too late, when a rival school busted you on it. The NCAA saw it as a "MAJOR INFRACTION", just another example of Cheetey Petey trying to skirt the rules. He even admitted it was a 'mistake' (yeah right, just a mistake):

"We made a mistake," Carroll admitted to host Chad Dukes, via Mike Florio of ProFootballTalk.com. "We made a mistake in the process in evaluating what a consultant was."

His 'mistake' was hiring a coach and hiding him as a consultant.

5. Sorry, but Pro Scouts go off of pro potential. Bush had star written all over him. He was picked 2nd in the draft...FAR ahead of where Leinart was picked. As a freshman, he almost rushed for 1000 yds, avg 6.4 yds a carry and had 40+ receptions at an avg of almost 12 yds a pop. And you're trying to tell us that he wasn't a star yet? Are you serious? Leinart was a bigger star at the time, I already granted you that. But to say that Bush wasn't a star and to say that you guys had no clue that pro scouts would be watching him is seriously so pathetic there aren't really any words to properly put into place your incredible stupidity for thinking it true.

In short, you Fail.

 

[BGIF]

... there aren't really any words to properly put into place your incredible stupidity ...

Actually there are ... uscfootball93, expressed it succinctly with:

which video? either way I'm sure it's echoing many SC fan's thoughts.

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[Irish_Angst]

Why is this so hard for you to understand. USC didn't just get in trouble because Bush took $$$$. The problem was he and his family took the $$$$ and the coaches knew about it but looked the other way.

You don't get your ass handed to you by the NCAA because one player broke the rules. The big penalties come when the school buries their head and ignores everything.

Google SMU & death penalty......it could be a nice look into usc's future.

Nicely done, J2tDFB. U$C is gonna get SMU'd... couldn't happen to a better program.

Maybe if L.A. could get a pro football team, there would be less need for the hangers-on to infest the program.

 

[phgreek]

The McDonald thing isn't in jest, it's true go contact your school if you want and test him. And 19 year old? shit he's an adult already and he's older than me, if he can't take criticism (especially when it's the truth) then he should think about what he's planning on doing in the future with the NFL.

And yea, i think SC is a damn good school, do i think the same about ND hell yea, because it's the truth. I get pissed off when you go off on a school that i love, that i got family that goes there, and that are alumni. You guys want to talk about having a classless fan base or w/e, then look at yourselves. I doubt any of you guys have even bothered to check how this started. Look back at what you responded to in the beginning, was i being disrespectful about your university? no. Was i talking crap about your program our your players? no. I brought up one fact and i get shit from you, and then you get offended when i bring up another fact and defend my school?

...not sure what facts you refer to...I remember you, SC Fan, cracking on ND for not competing for an NC...so of course you were saying that because SC has...

keep in mind, we may not have been competing for NCs, but neither was SC before Poodle...in fact we were regularly kicking your ass Pre-Poodle (99, 00, 01[Poodles first year])

...then comes Pete and the cheating...SC chose to cheat, got nailed for it, and is facing stiff penalties...

You come in here like the cheating didn't happen, and talk shit about competing for NCs as if all were equal...then when you get whacked for it, you whine and attack a kid.

Those are the facts I know...

 

[Ben E.]

"WE ARE TROJANS, AND YOU ARE JUST JEALOUS OF US" BWAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHHAHAA

 

[JDAtlanta]

The idiocy in all of this is the fact

The idiocy in all of this is the fact

that U$C shouldn't have to cheat. They are the marquee program west of the Rockies. They have the pick of all the prospects in the hotbed of talent in California. They should be a top 5 team every year without cheating. The school is above average. Yet, the football team takes powder puff classes. They are THE team in L.A. Yet, they take the easy route. The campus is maybe 3 miles from the beach. F 'em they cheat!

 

[uscfootball93]

What do you mean Oregon got off the hook? They lost their best quarterback.

They're still very highly ranked and Still picked to win the Pac 10 and Still get to go to a bowl game and dont have restrictions