Feds: Ferguson PD Targets African Americans

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dales5050 said:
Well I was not speaking to travelers in my post. By visitors to the area and commuters I was talking about traffic and parking citations done by local police on commuter roads and in situations where the odds are high it's not a local resident.

To paint a clear picture, I know several police officers that work in a town that also is home to a State University and an expressway running through the middle of the town.

On a daily basis the cops line up on the expressway to pluck people who are speeding through the town. Residents of the town know where they park, as it's an almost every day occurrence, and do not speed in that area. If they need to get speeding tickets, the expressway is where they go, not the town roads.

Beyond this, during special events (games, concerts, 4th) they go on a parking citation binge as, again, people not familiar with the area are going to be more likely to park in a place that could be ticketed during the event. Residents know not to risk it during these high volume times. But residents also know if it's just a regular Tuesday morning, parking in the same place has much much higher odds of not getting a ticket.

On the subject of travelers, my personal experiences with that lead me to disagree with you. I have noticed personally a trend for the police department to be more active in ticketing for things like open containers during high tourist season that in off times. My inference in that is to ticket people who are least likely to be local residents. But that's just a personal observation.


I think one of the biggest keys to police departments using citations as a revenue source is the likelihood that the ticketing officer is going to either know the person before or the odds are running into them again. It's human nature to not want to run into a guy on Tuesday in line at the grocery store that you wrote a $300 ticket to on Sunday.


This is why I think wholesale changes to the way police protection is done in the US. The challenge with this is I don't think people are grasping the other side.

For example, I think policing should be done in precincts or wards and officers should be forced to live in the city/town of service, if not the precinct itself. That would make officers a part of the community but that is going to cost money.

I also think police ranks should be filled with officers who pass a very, very rigid psychological profile test and have at least have an associates degree in criminal justice or similar. In addition to that, all quotas for staffing need to be removed. This as well is going to cost much more money in salaries. Ferguson pays like $13 to $18 an hour. That won't cut it.

Lastly, if you want to remove the practice of ticketing to raise revenues, you're going to need to raise revenues elsewhere. At best, you're going to just raise taxes on everyone including those who don't speed, keep their registration up and park in the correct space. At worst, you're going to raise taxes and cut services elsewhere to afford this. Try telling a person who does what's right they need to pay an extra $50 a year so that people who speed don't get cited as often to ensure everything is on the up and up.



This is a big and important issue. It needs to be resolved but you can't make any progress if you speak in absolutes and from a position of deflection. Sadly, that's the SOP currently.
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I just hope the good mannered people don't start getting pulled over for looking innocent.
 
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kmoose said:
And I would submit that you are wrong.

Poverty Rate by Race/Ethnicity | The Henry J. Kaiser Family Foundation

According to this, only 27% of those living in poverty are black. Now, it's not that 27% is a low, or irrelevant statistic. What it means is that 3 out of every 4 people living in poverty in the US are NOT black. So poor does NOT equal black.
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I'm honestly not really agreeing to either side of this avenue. I just find these types of situations alarming and as a white male, I find them deeply distressing for the future of my children and grandkids.

I found this great movie with Jeremy Renner; Kill the Messenger (2014 film) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia worth the 2.5 hrs for the subtleties of a man in family life crises alone.
Then Gary Webb - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia was found dead with not 1, but 2 self inflicted gunshot wounds to the head. I guess irony is out of the question
 
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Two police officers are shot in Ferguson : News

36 minutes ago • By Susan Weich


FERGUSON • Two police officers were hit by gunfire early Thursday outside the Ferguson police department.

The shots were fired as police were confronting protesters who had gathered outside the police station.

Ferguson Lt. Col. Al Eickhoff said he didn't think either of the officers were from his department. He also didn't know the extent of their injuries. Eickhoff was not at the scene at the time of the shooting but he said he was headed there.

A police source said one of the officers is a St. Louis County officer and the other a Webster Groves officer.

The shots rang out as the protests appeared to be dwindling. Some of the protesters fell to the ground and others ran.

Several members of the media, including a Post-Dispatch reporter and photographer, were near the officers who were hit.

The shots appeared to come from the direction of a block of homes on Tiffin Avenue that intersects West Florissant Avenue. Witnesses reported two to four shots.

The shooting brought a much larger contingent of officers, many with high-powered rifles, to the scene.
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1:50 am briefing in front of the hospital trauma center by St. Louis County Police Chief Jon Belmar.


Around midnight two cops shot in Front of Ferguson police HQ. One a St. Louis County officer, 41 years old, shot in shoulder. The other a 32 year old Webster Grove officer was shot in the face. Both were taken to hospital. No details on condition other than conscious.
 
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BGIF said:
1:50 am briefing in front of the hospital trauma center by St. Louis County Police Chief Jon Belmar.


Around midnight two cops shot in Front of Ferguson police HQ. One a St. Louis County officer, 41 years old, shot in shoulder. The other a 32 year old Webster Grove officer was shot in the face. Both were taken to hospital. No details on condition other than conscious.
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Prayers for them and their families. This whole Furguson saga is sad for America.
 
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Neither officer was a ferguson police officer. Not that it matters Police have a target on their backs the size on the white house.

Hope these officer can make a full functional recovery. Prayers to them and their families.
 
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are the national guard there? haven't been following lately, so apologies if the questions is stupid.
 
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goldandblue said:
LOL...
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Seriously..........

The Police Chief just resigned, along with the City Manager and the Municipal Judge. The process of change has started, so what is there to protest about, until you see some results? Or is there something else going on that I am not aware of?
 
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Seriously..........

The Police Chief just resigned, along with the City Manager and the Municipal Judge. The process of change has started, so what is there to protest about, until you see some results? Or is there something else going on that I am not aware of?
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Some people just enjoy destroying their own community and victimizing their neighbors. No reason needed.
 
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BGIF said:
Both wounded officers were released from hospital.
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Shot in face and released? Something very odd going on other than an 'ambush', if so
 
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Gotta feel for that community, everything is falling apart, the whole thing is a mess at this point. I can't even imagine what it's going to take for both sides to come together.
 
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GoIrish41 said:
Not sure I know what you mean. Can you help a brother out?
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Just feel there is more going on than what we on the outside of the St. Louis area can understand. I'm a conspiracy mind kinda guy. 84% of the time. If the young lad Dan Rather can say Kennedy's head was thrown violently forward, when it was thrown backwards. I can say I am not an optimist when hearing this news.
 
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GoIrish41 said:
Turns out NJNP was right about a lot that he was beaten up about ... So piling on now that he is not here to defend himself increases his credibility on this topic. Make jokes about him if you must but he gets the last laugh.
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With your posts lately, you seem to be aging like swiss cheese in a Florida summer. Turns out he was right? Opinion and arguable. Exposing himself and his racism got him booted. Getting on again under a different name is not getting the last laugh...it's a cry for help. But you'll defend him because you liked a lot of what he said. Give yourself a golf clap for that one.
 
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Polish Leppy 22 said:
With your posts lately, you seem to be aging like swiss cheese in a Florida summer. Turns out he was right? Opinion and arguable. Exposing himself and his racism got him booted. Getting on again under a different name is not getting the last laugh...it's a cry for help. But you'll defend him because you liked a lot of what he said. Give yourself a golf clap for that one.
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I wish it worked that way for everyone who did that.
 
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irishff1014 said:
Because the protester is a reliable source.
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No. But think about this:

As extreme as this guy's view is; imagine if a white city official expressed such an extreme view of the black community. He/she would be crucified.

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Michael Brown's mother on facebook the other day. She later deleted her post. Too late.

“F*** THEM 2 COPS..DON’T GOT NO SYMPATHY FOR THEM OR THEY FAMILIES…Aint no FUN when the Rabbit got the GUN.”

“If my FAM woulda got JUSTICE in August maybe those two comps wouldn’t have got shot LAST NIGHT…”
 
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