Fall Depth Chart

[Whiskeyjack]

I would add the walk on safety as the third SS. Chris Silvo or something like that.

#24, Chris Salvi. Good idea, as he's more likely to see some playing time this year.

 

[Sherm Sticky]

#24, Chris Salvi. Good idea, as he's more likely to see some playing time this year.

Supposedly a real solid player. Wouldn't be surprised to see him on special teams a lot.

 

[RyCo1983]

^

(1) Floyd; (2) Jones; (3) Goodman; (4) Smith for outside receiver, apparently.

It just means that Goodman is distancing himself from Smith. If Daniels overtakes anyone this season, it'll probably be Smith now.

Ok...So I should move some of the names around at WR?
Put Goodman #2 behind Floyd and Smith #2 behind TJ?

 

[Whiskeyjack]

Ok...So I should move some of the names around at WR?
Put Goodman #2 behind Floyd and Smith #2 behind TJ?

I'd leave it the way you have it. The only thing that comment from Kelly changes is that if either Floyd or TJ goes down, Goodman probably takes over as the #1 at that slot.

 

[RyCo1983]

I'd leave it the way you have it. The only thing that comment from Kelly changes is that if either Floyd or TJ goes down, Goodman probably takes over as the #1 at that slot.

Cool ranch dressing man.

 

[GoldenIsThyFame]

BGI has Schwenke as the #2 SDE and Tuitt #3.

Also just an FYI they list Councell as the #4 Dog and no one behind Ishaq at Cat

They also list Massa as the #3 W.

Deion is listed as the #4 X :\

 

[Sherm Sticky]

SMH Mr. Walker

 

[Old Man Mike]

Whatever's being listed, I looked rather carefully at what Kelly said the other day [yesterday? the day before? ---one of the two, recent anyway] and his discussion of the wides sounded VERY much like he is thinking of Davaris Daniels as his #5 receiver right now. The top four were Floyd, Riddick, TJ, and Toma, in that order. I think that whether my interpretation of his remarks is exact or not, Daniels is genuinely rising. I believe that Kelly is GaGa about the upside, and is only waiting for route-running precision, which he thinks is happening. Plus, with his future-orientation, Daniels is the athleticism heir apparent to Floyd next year. I'm going to be precisely zero surprised to see Daniels with a bunch of playing minutes this year. [Goodman was next by the way. Smith was not mentioned in that commentary, but Farley was].

 

[GoldenIsThyFame]

Whatever's being listed, I looked rather carefully at what Kelly said the other day [yesterday? the day before? ---one of the two, recent anyway] and his discussion of the wides sounded VERY much like he is thinking of Davaris Daniels as his #5 receiver right now. The top four were Floyd, Riddick, TJ, and Toma, in that order. I think that whether my interpretation of his remarks is exact or not, Daniels is genuinely rising. I believe that Kelly is GaGa about the upside, and is only waiting for route-running precision, which he thinks is happening. Plus, with his future-orientation, Daniels is the athleticism heir apparent to Floyd next year. I'm going to be precisely zero surprised to see Daniels with a bunch of playing minutes this year. [Goodman was next by the way. Smith was not mentioned in that commentary, but Farley was].

OMM, my understanding is that Goodman is stil at #5 and Daniels is #6... for now anyways. He is improving each day and definitely believe we he will pass Goodman, just hasn't reached that level yet.

He said Danny Smith still has to get back into the flow of things coming off his injury.

 

[Whiskeyjack]

OMM, my understanding is that Goodman is stil at #5 and Daniels is #6... for now anyways. He is improving each day and definitely believe we he will pass Goodman, just hasn't reached that level yet.

He said Danny Smith still has to get back into the flow of things coming off his injury.

That's my understanding as well.

 

[RyCo1983]

BGI has Schwenke as the #2 SDE and Tuitt #3.

Also just an FYI they list Councell as the #4 Dog and no one behind Ishaq at Cat

They also list Mass as the #3 W.

Deion is listed as the #4 X :\

Rivals listed Tuitt ahead of Schwenke...
I'll guess we'll wait for a coach to speak of it or actual game time to change it.

 

[GoldenIsThyFame]

“@hansensouthbend: #NotreDame's depth chart for Saturday's opener is out. A few interesting tidbits. Freshman DaVaris Daniels is No. 2 WR behind TJ Jones."

“@hansensouthbend: Other freshmen in the two-deeps: LT Nick Martin, RG Conor Hanratty, DE Aaron Lynch, DE Stephon Tuitt, KO Kyle Brindza, P Brindza ...”

And whatever this means:

“@hansensouthbend: Freshman Troy Niklas is listed as 2 or 3 at drop linebacker, while Ishaq Williams is 2 or 3 at "cat" linebacker.”

 

[mgriff]

“@hansensouthbend: #NotreDame's depth chart for Saturday's opener is out. A few interesting tidbits. Freshman DaVaris Daniels is No. 2 WR behind TJ Jones."

I knew I was on to something! So intuitive.

 

[kmoose]

http://grfx.cstv.com/photos/schools...pdf/2011-12/depth_chart_event/depth_chart.pdf

 

[Whiskeyjack]

“@hansensouthbend: #NotreDame's depth chart for Saturday's opener is out. A few interesting tidbits. Freshman DaVaris Daniels is No. 2 WR behind TJ Jones."

Interesting, but not totally unexpected. Does that mean Goodman is the #2 at W now? Edit: Yes, it does.

@hansensouthbend: Other freshmen in the two-deeps: LT Nick Martin, RG Conor Hanratty, DE Aaron Lynch, DE Stephon Tuitt, KO Kyle Brindza, P Brindza ...

I guess Nichols is still recovering from the dislocated knee cap. Surprised that Hanratty jumped Carrico (EE) and Hegarty (highly touted). I'm assuming Brindza's the #1 KO but the #2 P.

@hansensouthbend: Freshman Troy Niklas is listed as 2 or 3 at drop linebacker, while Ishaq Williams is 2 or 3 at "cat" linebacker

Odd way to phrase it. They're both expected to be the #3. Maybe they're close enough that a good week in practice could move one or both of them up to #2?

Edit: They used the "or" designation for Fox/ Calabrese and Slaughter/ Motta. I guess that's how they're denoting a shared role. So Niklas and Williams are 2(b). They've either made excellent progress, or Spond and Filer aren't going to be as good as advertized (not that Filer has any hype at this point). Probably a little of both.

 

[GoldenIsThyFame]

Also Martin and Hanratty may be listed in the 2 deep but Lombard and Nuss will sub into both tackle and guard positions before the freshman.

 

[Old Man Mike]

To my mind: a). the "or's" clearly indicate where there are edge-thin possibilities of one guy jumping the other. The most interesting instance of this to me is Cwynar and Nix.

b). as I said earlier, Kelly's language was pretty easy to interpret as being ready to put his trust in the major league talents of DaVaris Daniels.

c). the absence of Hegarty in this chart means something to me which may not be true, but rings as possible: Hegarty is supposed to be a natural tackle. But he may be a little under-muscled at this stage. I believe that Coach REALLY wants to sit him out. Zach's little brother-with-the-natural-mean-streak has arrived at a storybook moment to understudy his superstar brother. On the other side, Lombard is considered our best tackle reserve, despite being headed allegedly for a guard spot. But Kelly sees Dever as the one player that had to sit out a game injured last season, and is putting our second team stud behind him. Hanratty has had a surprisingly good camp and is not only a guard but isn't expected to play anyway --- note that Kelly said that Nuss would cycle between the guards as a three man unit. I too would like to see Hegarty get a get-stronger year before playing. That right tackle position is coming open, and Lombard might be the opening up right guard next season. Foggy crystal ball....

d). the second most surprising thing on this chart is the soaring emergence of Niklas to "tie" Spond at #2 Dog. Niklas has to be blowing the staff away. I wondered about that since the players were going along with the "hercules" nickname. That wouldn't happen I don't believe if he wasn't really earning it.

weak deductions by me, but what-the-heck, what else is there to do on a monday night before the season starts??

 

[RyCo1983]

I just included a link to the official chart...Mods can close this one up if they feel so inclined.

 

[Rhode Irish]

They used the "or" designation for Fox/ Calabrese and Slaughter/ Motta. I guess that's how they're denoting a shared role. So Niklas and Williams are 2(b). They've either made excellent progress, or Spond and Filer aren't going to be as good as advertized (not that Filer has any hype at this point). Probably a little of both.

Any chance that Filer/Ishaq and Spond/Niklas will each be used in different reserve roles? For instance, Filer and Spond would replace the starter when fatigue becomes a factor, and Ishaq and Niklas would be used in specific, predetermined situation (or vice versa)?

 

[Old Man Mike]

I read this as they REALLY want Niklas to play Dog, and that although Ishaq is having some trouble negotiating the Cat, Troy is going to the opposite side [mainly]. Niklas must be a freak of Aaron Lynch proportions. He is going to be jaw-dropping to watch. The staff seems to be setting up a future with Ishaq on one side and Troy on the other: the two most gigantic paired outside linebackers in football.

 

[Kak7304]

I know it's way too early for this type of speculation, but I wonder what will happen with Councell after the emergence of Niklas at the OLB spot opposite Ishaq. Many had believed that it was Councell's spot in the future. I love where our program is headed when these are the types of questions I have.

 

[jason_h537]

I know it's way too early for this type of speculation, but I wonder what will happen with Councell after the emergence of Niklas at the OLB spot opposite Ishaq. Many had believed that it was Councell's spot in the future. I love where our program is headed when these are the types of questions I have.

Niklas is a freak. He can grow into a DE and the staff believes he can play both Cat and Dog if needed. With that said we have yet to see Niklas, Councell, Ishaq, Shembo, or Spond play any minutes at those positions. There is no way of knowing how they will develop and grow at this point. Councell will stay at Dog.

 

[Riddickulous]

Chances DaVaris Daniels starts next year? I'd say high.

 

[Whiskeyjack]

I read this as they REALLY want Niklas to play Dog, and that although Ishaq is having some trouble negotiating the Cat, Troy is going to the opposite side [mainly]. Niklas must be a freak of Aaron Lynch proportions. He is going to be jaw-dropping to watch. The staff seems to be setting up a future with Ishaq on one side and Troy on the other: the two most gigantic paired outside linebackers in football.

Fear not, OMM. I think Niklas is still destined for Cat.

We're currently 3-deep at Cat, and Niklas is too good to keep off the field, so he moved over to Dog to share #2 reps with Spond. There is truly a lot of cross-training going on; Aaron, despite backing up EJ, commented on having to learn KLM's spot as well, etc. In watching our 2010 defense recently, I noted how often Fleming and Shembo switched which side of the field they were playing on, as well.

In 2012, with Fleming and Filer gone, Hercules dons the pelt of the Nemean Lion for good. Mark it!

Any chance that Filer/Ishaq and Spond/Niklas will each be used in different reserve roles? For instance, Filer and Spond would replace the starter when fatigue becomes a factor, and Ishaq and Niklas would be used in specific, predetermined situation (or vice versa)?

I'm sure some of that will happen. Spond and Niklas has both been praised for their skill in coverage, so one might expect those two to go in on obvious passing downs to give Shembo a blow; though will the staff want good coverage or another edge rusher in those situations? I haven't heard anything about Spond or Niklas' ability to get after the QB.

Cat is more complicated. Fleming can do it all, but Filer has never been able to put it all together mentally, and Ishaq's head is still spinning. One might expect Filer and Ishaq to be used primarily on passing downs to keep their responsibilities simple, but that's supposedly Fleming's strong point. There's no obvious situation where it'd be a good idea to take Fleming off the field, since I'm not sure the staff trusts the other two in coverage.

I know it's way too early for this type of speculation, but I wonder what will happen with Councell after the emergence of Niklas at the OLB spot opposite Ishaq. Many had believed that it was Councell's spot in the future. I love where our program is headed when these are the types of questions I have.

The staff referred to Councell as a "prototypical" Dog OLB, so I don't think he's going anywhere. If anything Niklas will likely move to Cat next season.

 

[Buster Bluth]

Chances DaVaris Daniels starts next year? I'd say high.

You think he can jump Jones? I don't see him starting in a three-receiver offense.

 

[GBdomer]

You think he can jump Jones? I don't see him starting in a three-receiver offense.

Davirs will take floyds spot next year. He has more upside than TJ. Daniels is just a freshman. Still wish Deion Walker didnt hide in the corner for four years. Really wanted to see that guy ball out at Notre Dame.

 

[Buster Bluth]

hah never mind, my reading comprehensions suffers again with the alcohol. I thought he said this year.

If he doesn't start next year, I will be disappointed. Notre Dame is too short on WR depth to keep him out of the lineup for too long. I think by midseason this year he will be the main substitute for Jones/Floyd, no? Toma obviously is the backup to Riddick. Daniels could have 300 yards if this offense explodes like Kelly's have in the past. I think 30 catches and 350 yard would be a great achievement, with 25/300 more likely.

I just don't see what a guy like Goodman has over Daniels. I've never been impressed with his work on the field, outside of San Antonio.

EDIT: Don't judge me for drinking on a Monday, my summer started last Thursday..

 

[jason_h537]

Davirs will take floyds spot next year. He has more upside than TJ. Daniels is just a freshman. Still wish Deion Walker didnt hide in the corner for four years. Really wanted to see that guy ball out at Notre Dame.

Daniels was recruited for TJ's spot. He is cerainly talented enough to beat him but regardless he will play.

Daniels is listed at 2 but Kelly said if either TJ or Floyd come out, Goodman will go in

 

[Rhode Irish]

Cat is more complicated. Fleming can do it all, but Filer has never been able to put it all together mentally, and Ishaq's head is still spinning. One might expect Filer and Ishaq to be used primarily on passing downs to keep their responsibilities simple, but that's supposedly Fleming's strong point. There's no obvious situation where it'd be a good idea to take Fleming off the field, since I'm not sure the staff trusts the other two in coverage.

I agree with this based on our general idea about what these guys do well, but we really don't have any way of knowing, specifically, what assignments these guys excel at or struggle with within the defense. But the staff would know if, for example, there was a specific call or a specific assignment that Ishaq or Filer excelled at.

So yeah, there is certainly no obvious situation where we can say it would be wise to take Fleming off the field based on what we know. But it doesn't seem far fetched to me to think that one of the other guys may do a particular thing really well, and that the staff may put them in position that thing on Saturday.

 

[rtrn2glory]

I agree with this based on our general idea about what these guys do well, but we really don't have any way of knowing, specifically, what assignments these guys excel at or struggle with within the defense. But the staff would know if, for example, there was a specific call or a specific assignment that Ishaq or Filer excelled at.

So yeah, there is certainly no obvious situation where we can say it would be wise to take Fleming off the field based on what we know. But it doesn't seem far fetched to me to think that one of the other guys may do a particular thing really well, and that the staff may put them in position that thing on Saturday.

what helps is having gray and harrison on that side of the field to help any inexperienced guy in coverage. GO SOX