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England has 26 players better than Trent Alexander Arnold. They’re winning the Euros.

Gets a summer off and England is going out the first decent team they face.

I’m settled with it.

Ill be honest here.... If Southgate wants to have intenrational playstyle that doesnt include TAA at RB in his 26 man squad.... then lmao.... but I get it. Its HIS system and he needs to play players that fit. That being said if his style doesnt work out AND he left TAA then...lmao.
 

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Liverpool still need a proper striker who can put the ball in the net. Outside of Salah, no one is a threat to score and he's a winger. They need someone up top who can finish. Period.

I also think they need to finally get an attacking mid/#10 to replace Coutinho at long last. Everything is on the wings with Trent/Salah and Robbo/Mane, and with no presence on the ball in the middle of the park these lower half of the table clubs can park the bus in front of goal and make Liverpool break them down. A presence down the middle who is a threat on the ball and a threat to score goals and or create would make this a much better squad.

If this team finishes fourth somehow, it's a major accomplishment considering the multitude of minutes they have lost due to injury this season.

I think Liverpool has a great chance at finishing in that four spot. Leicester and Chelsea play this week, so if Chelsea can lose, it sets Liverpool up nicely.
 

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Ill be honest here.... If Southgate wants to have intenrational playstyle that doesnt include TAA at RB in his 26 man squad.... then lmao.... but I get it. Its HIS system and he needs to play players that fit. That being said if his style doesnt work out AND he left TAA then...lmao.

There's a lot of politics. I'm sure the FA is pulling a lot of the strings. They'll get bounced out in the quarterfinals by the first decent side they face and it'll be tabloid swill for a few weeks after.

Trent's reputation as a horrendous defender is unfounded at this point. It's the English football media doing their thing and like all other coverage of anything in this world it is constant. You hear it enough and you start to wonder and or believe it. It's bullshit. If he played for United or played south of the Midlands they'd love him. Go back to the CL final against Real in Kiev. He was their best player that day (after Ramos WWE'ed Salah out of the match) and he was 18 years of age. He's shaken off injury and Covid, finally coming back to form in the last month. He's been brilliant. Southgate doesn't seem to care about picking players based on form. So Jordan Henderson will be going to the Euros and Trent is not.

Watch him leave Sancho off the team, too.

Kyle Walker has conceded 3 penalties this season in the League. Dier has 2. Trent has one.
 

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I think Liverpool has a great chance at finishing in that four spot. Leicester and Chelsea play this week, so if Chelsea can lose, it sets Liverpool up nicely.

They need to score goals. Preferrably by guys who are not the keeper.
 

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Let the Harry Kane madness begin.

My guess is either City, United or Chelsea land him.

City: Kane wants to win trophies. He is guaranteed a League Cup here at worst.

United: The opportunity to take PKs every single match.

Chelsea: London

Seeing as Levy does not want to sell him to a team in the PL but Kane wants to stay in the PL, the price is going to be steep. I think City makes the most sense. They are losing Aguero, they have the money, and they are the best bet to win trophies. United is probably going to go after Sancho, leaving little room to get Kane. Chelsea... who knows. They have a ton of attacking options but there have been reports that Tuchel gets to make a splash signing.
 

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There's a lot of politics. I'm sure the FA is pulling a lot of the strings. They'll get bounced out in the quarterfinals by the first decent side they face and it'll be tabloid swill for a few weeks after.

Trent's reputation as a horrendous defender is unfounded at this point. It's the English football media doing their thing and like all other coverage of anything in this world it is constant. You hear it enough and you start to wonder and or believe it. It's bullshit. If he played for United or played south of the Midlands they'd love him. Go back to the CL final against Real in Kiev. He was their best player that day (after Ramos WWE'ed Salah out of the match) and he was 18 years of age. He's shaken off injury and Covid, finally coming back to form in the last month. He's been brilliant. Southgate doesn't seem to care about picking players based on form. So Jordan Henderson will be going to the Euros and Trent is not.

Watch him leave Sancho off the team, too.

Kyle Walker has conceded 3 penalties this season in the League. Dier has 2. Trent has one.

https://footballbh.net/2020/05/22/tr...sis-tactics-3/

See the link specifically the defending section. TAA is essentially used by liverpool as a midfield winger. All of his offensive stats are similar to wingers. He ranks vey low in defensive categories. He isnt a defender and he is a defensive liability if you dont account for his typical locations high up field. I have said this numerous times.
Defending


While it is easy for us to get carried away by Alexander-Arnold’s phenomenal offensive stats, let us not forget that primarily he is a right-back and should possess adequate defensive qualities as well.

A major part of defending is tackling and the Premier League is known for its physicality and defenders lunging in for the ball. More so for full-backs who have to keep tricky wingers at bay for the majority of the 90 minutes. However, it is worrying to see that Alexander-Arnold ranks a mere 47[SUP]th[/SUP] in the leader board for tackles, a fair distance behind the top.
Tackles
1.Ricardo Pereira • Leicester City122
2.Aaron Wan-Bissaka • Manchester Utd109
3.Declan Rice • West Ham93
4.Wilfred Ndidi • Leicester City85
5.Djibril Sidibé • Everton83
6.James McArthur • Crystal Palace82
7.James Ward-Prowse • Southampton79
Jonny Castro • Wolves79
9.João Moutinho • Wolves78
10.Pierre Højbjerg • Southampton77
Frederic Guilbert • Aston Villa77
César Azpilicueta • Chelsea
47.Trent Alexander-Arnold • Liverpool45
His tendency to get high up the field so often leaves space for opposition attackers to exploit and most tackles he makes are higher up the field to suit Liverpool’s style of the ‘gegenpress’. Here is an example of the high press adopted.

In Liverpool’s famous Champions League match against Barcelona at Anfield, Klopp enforced his style of pressing high to win possession. That can be seen from the picture below where Alexander-Arnold spots a pass and moves higher to attack the ball and tackle the man.
Trent Alexander-Arnold pressing high in a UCL game vs Barcelona – Credit: fourfourtwo.com
However, this leaves a huge pocket of space in behind and had the Barcelona players shifted play to exploit this gap, they may have got better results. So the full-back’s defensive stat does not look as bad as it first seemed, due to his style of high pressing to suit the team’s tactical style.

Another important point to note is that Liverpool’s starting formation of 4-3-3 eventually shifts to a 3-4-3 when attacking and a 5-2-3 when defending. Allowing the defensive midfielder, usually Jordan Henderson or Fabinho to slot in between the centre-backs and provide some cover for them and allow Alexander-Arnold and fellow full-back Andrew Robertson to play higher up the pitch. (Ive also discussed this many times as well in this thread. Using TAA at RB necesitates other strategies to be employed by his coach to account for the negatives brought on by his offensively focused palystyle).

As a result, although the youngster’s defensive capabilities have been a subject of argument and discussion, it is safe to say that Klopp and Liverpool have been able to create a system where the full-back can attack to his potential while contributing defensively as well.

Working on his defensive abilities would do him no harm though – especially his recovery and tackling – and this may finally allow him to stake a claim for the status of the best full-back in the world and also help him cement a place in the England national team, who currently make use of different tactics.
If you play TAA as he is used by Liverpool... then you cant have two bollards as CBs and your midfield has to be flexible and capable of covering depending on the situation. I dont see those capabilities on the England roster.
 
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He's the best right back in the world at going forward but he is not a terrible defender that he's made out to be. As a whole player, England doesn't have 26 who are better than him. He's 22, his defense has room to improve and it will, but he is not a liability and has defended quite well on very big stages. I sincerely hope that by the time he's 25 this "debate" is finally settled and I'm guessing it will be, but somehow I doubt that simply because people choose to believe whatever they want once the narrative dogs a player.

He's made improvements, he'll make more, he's not atrocious. I'll say THIS numerious times and no one will listen, and it's fine. I look forward to him spending many more years at the club. When he's on, he's on, and there aren't many who are as good as Trent when he's on. Poise, intensity, all of it.
 

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He's the best right back in the world at going forward but he is not a terrible defender that he's made out to be. As a whole player, England doesn't have 26 who are better than him. He's 22, his defense has room to improve and it will, but he is not a liability and has defended quite well on very big stages. I sincerely hope that by the time he's 25 this "debate" is finally settled and I'm guessing it will be, but somehow I doubt that simply because people choose to believe whatever they want once the narrative dogs a player.

He's made improvements, he'll make more, he's not atrocious. I'll say THIS numerious times and no one will listen, and it's fine. I look forward to him spending many more years at the club. When he's on, he's on, and there aren't many who are as good as Trent when he's on. Poise, intensity, all of it.

Eh.... I still think his deficiencies have been masked by having all world VVD, an athletic Gomez, a legendary MF captain and also Klopp's style maximizing TAAs beneifts and minimizing his deficiencies by the hihg pressing and hihg defensive lines. Again... I dont have a problem with Southgate not choosing him since that isnt how English RBs typically operate.
 

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Eh.... I still think his deficiencies have been masked by having all world VVD, an athletic Gomez, a legendary MF captain and also Klopp's style maximizing TAAs beneifts and minimizing his deficiencies by the hihg pressing and hihg defensive lines. Again... I dont have a problem with Southgate not choosing him since that isnt how English RBs typically operate.

VVD, Gomez and Henderson have all been injured for better parts of this season and Nathaniel Clyne isn't walking through that door again.

It's mad to even be having this conversation. He walks into the first eleven of just about any side right now. He's going to be even better when he's in his mid twenties.

Nobody points out his stats on interceptions and successful tackles. I have accepted that his defending is a Richard Gere gerbil story. Enough Manchester United fans and anti LIverpool pundits have spewed it into the cosmos that too many people believe it as truth. It isn't his strongest attribute, but he's not a liability either.

I don't think Southgate is terrible, but he makes some really off calls at times. Goes on form based on one player, then doesn't go off form based on another. He prefers players south of the Midlands, which is nothing new and is likely due to the result of some degree of FA pressure. Leaving Trent off of this team entirely would be a mistake. He's not the only young player who is going to be left off and or not considered, either.
 

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VVD, Gomez and Henderson have all been injured for better parts of this season and Nathaniel Clyne isn't walking through that door again.

It's mad to even be having this conversation. He walks into the first eleven of just about any side right now. He's going to be even better when he's in his mid twenties.

Nobody points out his stats on interceptions and successful tackles. I have accepted that his defending is a Richard Gere gerbil story. Enough Manchester United fans and anti LIverpool pundits have spewed it into the cosmos that too many people believe it as truth. It isn't his strongest attribute, but he's not a liability either.

I don't think Southgate is terrible, but he makes some really off calls at times. Goes on form based on one player, then doesn't go off form based on another. He prefers players south of the Midlands, which is nothing new and is likely due to the result of some degree of FA pressure. Leaving Trent off of this team entirely would be a mistake. He's not the only young player who is going to be left off and or not considered, either.

VVD etc being injured is the exact reason Liverpool have gone to shit defensively.... Klopp doesnt have those two athletic players behind TAA. I can t tell you how many times PL teams have played a ball in to the space vacated by TAA stretchin the CBs and then beating them on the break. Its like the most used tactic against Liverpool this year. Its why they dropped points at so many lower tier teams. TAA and Robbo are still hihg up the field and they lacked the CBs and the DMF to adequately cover.

Interceptions and successful tackles are at best average. He makes zero aerial challenges, his goals conceded is astronomical.

https://www.squawka.com/en/compariso...6Av2nxCP_nNNEv
 

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VVD etc being injured is the exact reason Liverpool have gone to shit defensively.... Klopp doesnt have those two athletic players behind TAA. I can t tell you how many times PL teams have played a ball in to the space vacated by TAA stretchin the CBs and then beating them on the break. Its like the most used tactic against Liverpool this year. Its why they dropped points at so many lower tier teams. TAA and Robbo are still hihg up the field and they lacked the CBs and the DMF to adequately cover.

Interceptions and successful tackles are at best average. He makes zero aerial challenges, his goals conceded is astronomical.

https://www.squawka.com/en/compariso...6Av2nxCP_nNNEv

They've conceded 42 goals this season. Only Spurs, Arsenal, Chelsea and City have conceded less. Mind you they gave up 7 in one match against Aston Villa and Van Dijk played in that match. In February there were 3 vs Leicester and 4 against city.

His tackle win rate is 65.3%, which is good for top ten in the Premier League among right backs. Kyle Walker is not top ten. Dribbled past rate is 28.8%, which he cut down from 43.3% from last year. Aerial challenges are not at all going to be his game, but it's difficult to dribble around him.

He's improving defensively as an individual during a season when they've mad multiple injuries at centerback and midfield while playing a high line. Yes, he has still made mistakes, but he has improved defensively this season and has done so while his every defensive move is under the microscope. He's not great, but he's improving. Everyone is going to pounce on the mistakes but not when he makes plays. It's fine. He's 22, getting better and has come back into form in the last month. He gets to stay home for the summer, which is fine because I could give a fuck about England, and I think he needs the rest.

Wouldn't want any other right back.
 

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They've conceded 42 goals this season. Only Spurs, Arsenal, Chelsea and City have conceded less. Mind you they gave up 7 in one match against Aston Villa and Van Dijk played in that match. In February there were 3 vs Leicester and 4 against city.

His tackle win rate is 65.3%, which is good for top ten in the Premier League among right backs. Kyle Walker is not top ten. Dribbled past rate is 28.8%, which he cut down from 43.3% from last year. Aerial challenges are not at all going to be his game, but it's difficult to dribble around him.

He's improving defensively as an individual during a season when they've mad multiple injuries at centerback and midfield while playing a high line. Yes, he has still made mistakes, but he has improved defensively this season and has done so while his every defensive move is under the microscope. He's not great, but he's improving. Everyone is going to pounce on the mistakes but not when he makes plays. It's fine. He's 22, getting better and has come back into form in the last month. He gets to stay home for the summer, which is fine because I could give a fuck about England, and I think he needs the rest.

Wouldn't want any other right back.

Opinions on TAA aside, including Reece James is what's really criminal here.
 

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They've conceded 42 goals this season. Only Spurs, Arsenal, Chelsea and City have conceded less. Mind you they gave up 7 in one match against Aston Villa and Van Dijk played in that match. In February there were 3 vs Leicester and 4 against city.

His tackle win rate is 65.3%, which is good for top ten in the Premier League. Kyle Walker is not top ten. Dribbled past rate is 28.8%, which he cut down from 43.3% from last year. Aerial challenges are not at all going to be his game, but it's difficult to dribble around him.

He's improving defensively as an individual during a season when they've mad multiple injuries at centerback and midfield while playing a high line. Yes, he has still made mistakes, but he has improved defensively this season and has done so while his every defensive move is under the microscope. He's not great, but he's improving. Everyone is going to pounce on the mistakes but not when he makes plays. It's fine. He's 22, getting better and has come back into form in the last month. He gets to stay home for the summer, which is fine because I could give a fuck about England, and I think he needs the rest.

Wouldn't want any other right back.

FTR Im not arguing against you. I agree with you...No way TAA is left out on my team. im just saying I can understand why Southgate isnt planning on using him. England is going to be a boring, tea sipping gentlemanly mess in Euros.
 

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Seeing as Levy does not want to sell him to a team in the PL but Kane wants to stay in the PL, the price is going to be steep. I think City makes the most sense. They are losing Aguero, they have the money, and they are the best bet to win trophies. United is probably going to go after Sancho, leaving little room to get Kane. Chelsea... who knows. They have a ton of attacking options but there have been reports that Tuchel gets to make a splash signing.

Kane at City means the Premier League becomes a farmer's league.
 

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Kane at City means the Premier League becomes a farmer's league.

Personally, I'd rather see him in a different league. However, I'm not sure how many teams can afford him. The Spanish teams seem to be in financial crisis still, as are the Italian teams. PSG could afford him, and he'd win League 1 trophies there. It'll be interesting to see what actually happens with him.
 

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Personally, I'd rather see him in a different league. However, I'm not sure how many teams can afford him. The Spanish teams seem to be in financial crisis still, as are the Italian teams. PSG could afford him, and he'd win League 1 trophies there. It'll be interesting to see what actually happens with him.

I don't know what his relationship is with Poch, but consider PSG will win everything in France and have inched closer to Champions League in the last two years. It's something to consider for him for sure.

Kane going to City would be an absolute nightmare for the Premier League. You're basically playing for second at best if you are everyone else. Losing Aguero on a free and adding Kane because you're one of the few who can afford him is exactly the problem with the state of the sport right now.
 

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[TWEET]https://twitter.com/paulcarr/status/1395120850593099779?s=21[/TWEET]

pretty cool. With a Lille win this weekend an American will have won a trophy in all of the top 5 leagues.
 

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Liverpool have picked up 23 points from their last 27 available with Thiago and Fabinho in midfield.

Win Sunday.
 

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With fans in the stands and VVD.....back to back league champs

For as much as no fans hurt the home team, they help the away squad. I think that's a wash in the scheme of things. Man U was undefeated away from Old Trafford. In the Top 5, every single team was better away than at home.
 
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