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For as much as no fans hurt the home team, they help the away squad. I think that's a wash in the scheme of things. Man U was undefeated away from Old Trafford. In the Top 5, every single team was better away than at home.

Depends on the away squad. Certain teams thrive off of the energy regardless. I used to think it was silly, but I do believe that there is something to it now having watched enough Covid matches across Europe.

I look forward to a more normal season in this regard come August, provided Boris Johnson and the FA can have their shit together by then. I really just typed that, yes.
 

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Excellent news and I hope more clubs do this too.
 

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Excellent news and I hope more clubs do this too.

That is great news. Hopefully Man U follows suit. Apparently one of the Glazers is going to talk to fans on June 6th (I think), so fans think a bigger announcement will happen just before so they don't tear him to shreds. Perhaps this, perhaps a signing.
 

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Can’t take credit foe this but...” we really have two players missing the USMNT camp in Switzerland because they busy with Champions league final. What a time to be alive”. Lol
 

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I really thought Liverpool’s season was in the gutter a few months ago. Looking forward to Europe again, that said.

16 different centerback pairings and third place during a pandemic. I’ll take that.
 

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I really thought Liverpool’s season was in the gutter a few months ago. Looking forward to Europe again, that said.

16 different centerback pairings and third place during a pandemic. I’ll take that.

We'll win the league next season.

If they can get another striker I'll be very happy. Love Berto but having a bona fide striker would be nice to have. With Jota we got a nice piece but having another would be ideal.
 

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8 matches Fabinho and Thiago started together. 8 wins.

Liverpool in last 3 years: 256 points
Citah in last 3 years: 256 points

2021/22 is going to be mental.
 

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Lille win France
Inter win Italy
Athletico win Spain

That's either pandemic football or a sign of things to come here in the short term. Maybe both.

Bayern winning Germany and the top four in England was business as usual.
 

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Would have switched Dike for Siebacheau but they probably want to captie him. Love this squad.
 

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All the Liverpool fans and haters that didn't value Gini Wijnaldum can now bask in the glory of him signing with Bayern Munich on a free.

Vapid morons.
 

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All the Liverpool fans and haters that didn't value Gini Wijnaldum can now bask in the glory of him signing with Bayern Munich on a free.

Vapid morons.

I'm not in the know....did some not think he was any good?

I loved him from the first day he set foot at Angie's. Dude worked hard. Brought some flair. Had a weird tendency to score when needed. Did I mention he worked hard??

He might be getting a bit long in the tooth for 'pool though? Most of this goes over my head. End of the day....loved everything he did. If he is going to Bayern....couldn't be happier for him and for Bayern. He's got plenty left to give.
 

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Defensive statistics this season in the league

Tackle success:
Trent 57.9%
Walker 54.3%
Trippier 43.9%
James 38.8%

Dribbled past per 90:
Trent 0.71
Walker 0.74
James 1.14
Trippier 1.16

Ball recoveries per 90:
Trent 9.97
Trippier 8.87
Walker 8.66
James 8.18

If Trent is shit, these other guys are explosive ass water.
 

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I'm not in the know....did some not think he was any good?

I loved him from the first day he set foot at Angie's. Dude worked hard. Brought some flair. Had a weird tendency to score when needed. Did I mention he worked hard??

He might be getting a bit long in the tooth for 'pool though? Most of this goes over my head. End of the day....loved everything he did. If he is going to Bayern....couldn't be happier for him and for Bayern. He's got plenty left to give.

We is/was underappreciated because he didn't score goals and assists. That wasn't his job, but not knowing things has never stopped people from being completely misinformed about things. At times he plays more of an attacking role in the midfield for Netherlands, which to be fair, might confuse people versus how Klopp used him.

He's 30 years old and is always match fit. He's going to be difficult to replace. As of this morning, it sounds like Barcelona for him now as opposed to Bayern. Barca is building a team on the free with Gini and Aguero. Interesting.
 

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Defensive statistics this season in the league

Tackle success:
Trent 57.9%
Walker 54.3%
Trippier 43.9%
James 38.8%

Dribbled past per 90:
Trent 0.71
Walker 0.74
James 1.14
Trippier 1.16

Ball recoveries per 90:
Trent 9.97
Trippier 8.87
Walker 8.66
James 8.18

If Trent is shit, these other guys are explosive ass water.

Do any of these stats account for the many times his ankles were broken by Raheem Sterling?
 

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Id be interested to see the raw numbers of tackles, dribbles attemped, and ball recoveries and where they occur at on the field of TAA versus others. I doubt those those dribbles agaisnt are in the normal defensive third. I doubt those are aviailable but Id wager they are higher up the field and TAA has pressure or help in most cases from forward team mates. Again.... he is benefitting from the system that allows him to play as an atacker mor ethan a defender. ANyway... Im likley to die on the hill that TAA just isnt the TYPE of defender Southgate wants or needs.

Id bet TAAs stats occur on the field of play much higher up the field than those of the the other RBs.
I found this heat map interesting. One is TAA the other is deBruyne. I bet you can guess which one is which:

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Here is TAAs avg position against Newcastle:
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This is ana awesome article with losts of heat maps comparing TAA and Robertson's positions in multiple games throughout th eseason. really cool.
Another consequence that has often been mentioned since the injury issues took hold is the position of Trent Alexander-Arnold and Andy Robertson.

In the last two trophy-laden seasons both full-backs have often been the catalyst for devastating attacks, marauding down the wings at will to provide assist after assist with unrivalled accuracy and damage.

However, the assists appeared to have almost dried up with Alexander-Arnold providing just two in his 17 top flight appearances - until grabbing a third this season with a sumptous pass for Sadio Mane at the Tottenham Hotspur Stadium - while Robertson has provided five in the last 20 games.

There were assumptions that because of the defensive issues Klopp's men are going through, both Alexander-Arnold and Robertson have dropped slightly deeper and the Reds are failing to create at the head of the pitch because of it.

It's a fair conclusion on the surface, but the ECHO set out to establish what has actually been going on with the two defenders in terms of their position by looking at heatmaps from every Premier League game so far this season.
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As you can see from the set of heatmaps above, the position of Alexander-Arnold and Robertson is much like you would expect with the majority of their play coming on the wings in the opposition half.

These are the first five games of the season, before Van Dijk was injured against Everton.

Alexander-Arnold had provided one assist in the second-half against Arsenal while Robertson had two assists, against Leeds United and Everton, at this point of the campaign with the latter having also scored against the Gunners.

Now, something to note from these five heatmaps is that Robertson is playing further forward more often than Alexander-Arnold and appears to be getting into more penetrative spaces among the opposition defence while against Everton both players stayed a little bit further back which is understandable after the injury to their talisman in the heart of the backline.
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This next set of heatmaps, which charts the position of Alexander-Arnold and Robertson in the three games before Joe Gomez suffered an injury on international duty, throws up some very interesting data.

As you can see, against Sheffield United and West Ham both players struggled to really get beyond the last line of defence as they started to get used to life without Van Dijk.

The duo regularly took up deeper positions than normal just beyond the half-way line, although there were clearly occasions when they took the decision to break forward as we have seen so regularly in past matches too.

Klopp employed a 4-2-3-1 formation against Sheffield United but it was back to the regular 4-3-3 for West Ham.

Against Manchester City - when Klopp employed his 4-2-3-1 formation for the second time this season thanks to the emergence of Diogo Jota - both Alexander-Arnold and Robertson had a tough time getting out from defence and you can see how much further back they were playing against a very high quality opposition.

Alexander-Arnold suffered a calf injury against City and was replaced on 63 minutes.
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The first three of these heatmaps firstly show the position of Robertson, James Milner and Neco Williams after they filled in at right full-back while Alexander-Arnold recovered from injury before his reintroduction in the final 22 minutes against Wolves.

It is here where you can start to see how much onus has been put onto Robertson to keep driving forward and the rather lopsided nature in terms of positioning for Liverpool's full-backs in each match. In the game against Leicester, the Scotland international was by far the most advanced of either player and notched an assist for his efforts.

Against Brighton, Williams was taken off at half-time and replaced by Henderson while Milner dropped out of midfield and into right-back for the second 45 minutes, which seemed to be the right call from Klopp as the veteran's position is considerably more attacking than that of starlet Williams but it is still Robertson who covered an incredible amount of ground to get up and down.

The final two heatmaps here show Williams, Robertson and the re-introduction of Alexander Arnold but it was seemingly a tough ask for the latter to get forward after coming on and it was likely he was feeling his way back in after injury while Robertson continued to probe.
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In these six heatmaps, highlighting the position of Alexander-Arnold and Robertson in the next six games of Liverpool's Premier League season, there are yet more interesting things to point out - and it is worth nothing that Diogo Jota had suffered an injury against Midtjylland in the Champions League before the trip to Fulham.

During that visit to Craven Cottage, it is clear both full-backs were playing high up the pitch but finding positions down the wings beyond the 18-yard box were a little more difficult to come by, again it was Robertson down the left who still found most success here.

Against Tottenham at Anfield, it was a slightly different story with much of the play continuing in the opposition half and both players driving beyond the defence and occasionally breaking into the penalty area with Robertson once more appearing to do this more effectively than Alexander-Arnold having provided an assist in the game.

Strangely, at Crystal Palace in the dominating 7-0 win both players appear to have assumed deeper positions than in the previous games but the Reds still managed to plunder goals and both defenders grabbed an assist that day.

And then comes the start of Liverpool's poor form with a draw at second-bottom West Brom, a stalemate at league strugglers Newcastle and defeat to mid-table Southampton.

Interestingly in all of those games, the lack of goalscoring is clearly not down to either the deeper position of Alexander-Arnold or Robertson, with both playing extremely high up the pitch and covering a lot of ground - though there is a drop off from the England international against Southampton. So, it is perhaps down to the aforementioned link-up play and chance creation during these games that is where the Reds started to fall down.

**You can read all about Liverpool's troubles in attack before they played Tottenham and where they came from here
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The final three heatmaps here show the position of Alexander-Arnold and Robertson in Liverpool's last three Premier League games.

Firstly, against Manchester United both players got up and down the pitch well and broke beyond the defence occasionally too while also getting into the box at times although they were unable to break the deadlock.

When Burnley came to Anfield, both full-backs assumed positions so high up the pitch you'd think they were wingers and so much of their play came in the final third but still the Reds were unable to find the back of the net with both Robertson and Alexander-Arnold even further forward than they had been for the rest of the season.

During the trip to Tottenham it was much the same story for both players but their persistence in playing high and getting beyond the opposition defence finally paid off with the Reds dominating the game at the business end of the pitch and Alexander-Arnold getting a goal and providing an assist.
 
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This continues to boils down to multiple things being true at the same time.

1. He is excellent going forward on the attack while on the ball. That risk is typically worth the reward. See last week at Old Trafford.
2. 1 v 1 defending is not his strength. Evidence includes first leg vs Real Madrid and City match three months ago.
3. He isn't as bad of a defender as he's being made out to be overall. People are able to admit #1, go out of their way to spooge #2 in agreement, but here is where nobody wants to come to the table and play Joe Manchin soccer.

That's it. 22 years old.

In looking at Southgate's England squad, with the talent they have, it's really hard for me to see them falling on their face unless he goes conservative and plays like some Italian side in the mid 1990s. Attack the hell out of the opposition, with or without Trent Alexander Arnold (shit defender).
 

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TAA added to 33 man long list. In other news....Liverpool gonna sign Konate. Id be willing to bet you have a back 4 of Robertson VVD Konate and Gomez. Move TAA to winger in MF or three CB formation
 

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Bamford not even making the 33 is outrageous

Agreed. The kid from Newcastle is in great form too, scoring goals, and wasn't even sniffed for consideration I bet.

Still a very good team on paper. England should push forward and attack attack attack.
 

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TAA added to 33 man long list. In other news....Liverpool gonna sign Konate. Id be willing to bet you have a back 4 of Robertson VVD Konate and Gomez. Move TAA to winger in MF or three CB formation

Who gets dropped from the starting 11 then?

Sounds like they're in contact with Brighton and Bissouma's agent. Perfect replacement for Gini.
 

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Yet they continue to get penalties and free kicks. When will refs learn? Show your damn cards to these guys in the PL please.

Diving has become more and more common amongst the top five leagues (it's always happened, but you tend to see it more often now). The issue is, if you get hacked and don't fall down, the ref won't blow the whistle. Even if you lose possession and forgo advantage.

I think there should be a review committee that has a few days to review games and give fines/cards. I think it will vastly slow down the rate of all players taking a dive.
 

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With all the technology and cameras in these stadiums, you'd think the players would be a bit smarter about this, but if they keep getting away with it why stop? Plus there are no fans in the stands, and the year and a half that Bruno has been in England he's played the majority of his matches in empty stadiums. Maybe this kind of thing is going to tamper down in 2021/22 but I don't have a lot of hope for that. I think the same guys will keep doing it and keep getting away with it.

Most of these guys have very good strength and would never go to ground if they were playing it honest.
 

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Who gets dropped from the starting 11 then?

Sounds like they're in contact with Brighton and Bissouma's agent. Perfect replacement for Gini.

Some rotation of Henderson and Firmino really depending on form and health. Cant take Salah, Mane, Thiago or Fabino off the first team really. The more I think of it and read about Joe's history he might not be considered 1st choice anything. I read about his injury history recently and it doesnt sound great. It may be that things remain as is and Konate slots infor gomez as long as a replacement for Gini is (someone on the team already? or a new player?).
 
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