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[NDRock]

How is what they did any different than Alabama destroying Citadel 70-0 or UCONN beating a team 100-30? It doesn't become national or international news. I get this is the World Cup so it's going to be international but to me this was a team who knows goal differential might be important to take the top spot over Sweden and they struggled scoring in games leading up to the WC so I wouldn't want them trying not to score. Not to mention if they should have stopped after 7 goals then it was pointless to sub in Carly Lloyd and Kristen Press.

Every single ex-player or coach (that I've seen) has had no issue with the score, only the celebrations. I don't really care. I do think everyone will now be rooting against the US team. Although it's in France and that was probably going to happen anyway. This has also become a mini distraction for the team and they've had to spend time dealing with the questions. We'll see if it affects them at all.

 

[EddytoNow]

How is what they did any different than Alabama destroying Citadel 70-0 or UCONN beating a team 100-30? It doesn't become national or international news. I get this is the World Cup so it's going to be international but to me this was a team who knows goal differential might be important to take the top spot over Sweden and they struggled scoring in games leading up to the WC so I wouldn't want them trying not to score. Not to mention if they should have stopped after 7 goals then it was pointless to sub in Carly Lloyd and Kristen Press.

As a former coach I can sympathize with Thailand if the USA had kept its best players in the entire game in an attempt to run up the score. The facts do not support that. Several subs were placed in the game. Should the USA apologize because they have players like Carly Lloyd and Kristen press waiting in the wings? Should they apologize because first time World Cup players score twice in the game? Should they apologize for continuing to play hard in the first game of the World Cup?

The team is talented enough to win it all. It will take some luck or outstanding plays along the way. At this point it is important to establish timing, spacing, positioning, etc. In other words, the women need to play together and learn to trust each other in tough situations. You can't do that with the starters taking an early seat on the bench.
Sweden will give them a tough game. Point differential might just be important in determining the winner of this grouping.

 

[ACamp1900]

How is what they did any different than Alabama destroying Citadel 70-0 or UCONN beating a team 100-30? It doesn't become national or international news. I get this is the World Cup so it's going to be international but to me this was a team who knows goal differential might be important to take the top spot over Sweden and they struggled scoring in games leading up to the WC so I wouldn't want them trying not to score. Not to mention if they should have stopped after 7 goals then it was pointless to sub in Carly Lloyd and Kristen Press.

I think there can be differences... if bama beats little sisters of the poor by 65 naturally then fine... if the USWNT beats a team 13-0 then okay. It's more about the 'how'... you don't send an all out punt block on a team when you're already up by forty points in the forth quarter against defeated coach in his last game and then celebrate scoring off of it like you just won the Super Bowl for example.

 

[IrishFaninTX]

I think there can be differences... if bama beats little sisters of the poor by 65 naturally then fine... if the USWNT beats a team 13-0 then okay. It's more about the 'how'... you don't send an all out punt block on a team when you're already up by forty points in the forth quarter against defeated coach in his last game and then celebrate scoring off of it like you just won the Super Bowl for example.

Sure that makes sense. I didn't have a problem with Pugh's celebration late because it was her first WC goal of her career. That's special and worth celebrating. Same with Carly as I'm sure there is a chip on her shoulder because she is a sub now. My main issue was Alex' celebrating after her 3rd goal. A hat trick is special so I didn't mind it until the 4th.

They can only make 3 subs and they did make all 3 and scored a lot of goals with the subs in so I didn't mind the scoreline.

 

[BabyIrish]

Sure that makes sense. I didn't have a problem with Pugh's celebration late because it was her first WC goal of her career. That's special and worth celebrating. Same with Carly as I'm sure there is a chip on her shoulder because she is a sub now. My main issue was Alex' celebrating after her 3rd goal. A hat trick is special so I didn't mind it until the 4th.

They can only make 3 subs and they did make all 3 and scored a lot of goals with the subs in so I didn't mind the scoreline.

Why is 3 goals more special than 5? Just because we have an arbitrary name for it that doesn't actually mean a darn thing? Celebrate away, Alex Morgan, you had yourself quite the night, IMO

 

[NorthDakota]

Why is 3 goals more special than 5? Just because we have an arbitrary name for it that doesn't actually mean a darn thing? Celebrate away, Alex Morgan, you had yourself quite the night, IMO

By the looks of it, an IE All-Star team could have had ourselves quite the night.

 

[BabyIrish]

By the looks of it, an IE All-Star team could have had ourselves quite the night.

Plain and simple, I'm not going to ask/criticize world class athletes to keep their emotions in check in the opening game of the pinnacle tournament in their sport that comes around every 4 years. Are we not to live life to the fullest, as if this day is our last? They celebrated as a team, there was nothing derogatory displayed toward Thailand.

 

[dublinirish]

the game though was the equivalent of going over the 99 point barrier in a football game, just bad juju

 

[NorthDakota]

Plain and simple, I'm not going to ask/criticize world class athletes to keep their emotions in check in the opening game of the pinnacle tournament in their sport that comes around every 4 years. Are we not to live life to the fullest, as if this day is our last? They celebrated as a team, there was nothing derogatory displayed toward Thailand.

If I celebrated like that at the high school state wrestling tournament(closest comparison I have had) after destroying some ill equipped kid who really didnt belong on the same mat as me my dad and coaches would've whooped my ass.

 

[BabyIrish]

the game though was the equivalent of going over the 99 point barrier in a football game, just bad juju

The only way for a soccer team to supposedly ease off the gas or hold back, is to play keep away. So instead of playing your best, your reduced to playing an elementary school game. That's utterly ridiculous and would be even more embarrassing then anything that happened on Tuesday. The girls owe it to themselves and the Thailand team to play their best for 90 minutes, no exceptions. This isn't a friendly, qualifying, regular season, etc. This is a tournament, a tournament that demands your best day in and day out. To not do so would hinder their ability to play to their full potential and ultimately their ability to accomplish the goal of winning it all. It's that simple.

Did anyone else whine and complain when the dream team were doing alley oops up 50 against Angola? No. Did anyone complain when UCONN WBB scored 94 in the first half in last year's tournament. No. College women's basketball is an amateur sport unlike the world cup which is professional. There's no reason for this team to be shamed for scoring 13 goals when other similar instances have happened and those teams were not shamed.

 

[Old Man Mike]

hard for me to object to athletes celebrating breaking records.... and they did it as a team, not a single showboat.

 

[BabyIrish]

If I celebrated like that at the high school state wrestling tournament(closest comparison I have had) after destroying some ill equipped kid who really didnt belong on the same mat as me my dad and coaches would've whooped my ass.

Celebrated like what? Going over to your teammates and giving them hugs and high fives? The only instance of potential over celebration was the last goal by Alex Morgan where they did that line of whatever that was. Why is it a crime to give hugs and high fives to your teammates?

 

[NDty9]

Do they have the freedom to score as much as they want, and behave how they want after they do so, of course! Is it a good look? NOPE! I understand that Goal Differential could possibly come into play, but if you feel its necessary to score 13 goals (even in injury time), then at a certain point i feel you should take a business approach and jog back after a goal.

HOWEVER.... Perhaps they were just trying to get the bad taste out of their mouths, after getting beat up on (5-2) by the U15 BOYS FC Dallas team, a while back hahahahhaha

 

[BabyIrish]

Do they have the freedom to score as much as they want, and behave how they want after they do so, of course! Is it a good look? NOPE! I understand that Goal Differential could possibly come into play, but if you feel its necessary to score 13 goals (even in injury time), then at a certain point i feel you should take a business approach and jog back after a goal.

HOWEVER.... Perhaps they were just trying to get the bad taste out of their mouths, after getting beat up on (5-2) by the U15 BOYS FC Dallas team, before they left hahahahhaha

Explain to me how they could have stopped scoring. They had 7 goals with 35 minutes left to go in the half. How do you ease up as a soccer team?

To use the football equivalent that someone else used in this thread, the way for them to ease up would have been the equivalent if they punted the ball on first down in every possession during the 2nd half. Do you see how embarrassing that would be to the opponent if you did that?

 

[NDty9]

Explain to me how they could have stopped scoring. They had 7 goals with 35 minutes left to go in the half. How do you ease up as a soccer team?

To use the football equivalent that someone else used in this thread, the way for them to ease up would have been the equivalent if they punted the ball on first down in every possession during the 2nd half. Do you see how embarrassing that would be to the opponent if you did that?

Im not sure where in that i said stop scoring??... in fact i said that i can see how Goal Differential could come in to play. All i said was that if i was coach, there would be a goal by my team, and a quiet jog back to the other end, to show some respect of the other women who are trying their best.

The football equivalent of Barry Sanders who scored many a touchdown, but handed the ball to the reff every time, and got on with his business. Trust me, I played soccer my entire life, and i understand how amazingly difficult and exciting it can be to score a goal. Especially in a WORLD CUP... but at a certain point (a 13 goal pounding would be that point) you have to show some respect and tone it all down.

 

[Rogue219]

Premier League fixtures are out.

Man, Newcastle has a really rough start. They play nothing but top six teams in the beginning. Hopefully Rafa is there for them to navigate through it.

Songs about Steven Gerrard will be sung. Maybe even by Liverpool fans.

 

[notredomer23]

Im not sure where in that i said stop scoring??... in fact i said that i can see how Goal Differential could come in to play. All i said was that if i was coach, there would be a goal by my team, and a quiet jog back to the other end, to show some respect of the other women who are trying their best.

The football equivalent of Barry Sanders who scored many a touchdown, but handed the ball to the reff every time, and got on with his business. Trust me, I played soccer my entire life, and i understand how amazingly difficult and exciting it can be to score a goal. Especially in a WORLD CUP... but at a certain point (a 13 goal pounding would be that point) you have to show some respect and tone it all down.

Especially against an amateur side in Thailand. They are not professionals. To play off your Barry Sanders example, it would be like if Barry Sanders was celebrating every touchdown for the Lions in a scrimmage against a DIII school.

 

[NDty9]

Especially against an amateur side in Thailand. They are not professionals. To play off your Barry Sanders example, it would be like if Barry Sanders was celebrating every touchdown for the Lions in a scrimmage against a DIII school.

Hahahaha , even more to the point! Thank you lol

 

[BabyIrish]

Im not sure where in that i said stop scoring??... in fact i said that i can see how Goal Differential could come in to play. All i said was that if i was coach, there would be a goal by my team, and a quiet jog back to the other end, to show some respect of the other women who are trying their best.

The football equivalent of Barry Sanders who scored many a touchdown, but handed the ball to the reff every time, and got on with his business. Trust me, I played soccer my entire life, and i understand how amazingly difficult and exciting it can be to score a goal. Especially in a WORLD CUP... but at a certain point (a 13 goal pounding would be that point) you have to show some respect and tone it all down.

How many NFL games did Sanders play? How many TD's did he score? How many World Cup have the girls played? How many goals have they scored?
See the difference, this does not come around every year. It comes every four years. And again how is running to your teammates and hugging them and high fiving them wrong or disrespectful or over celebrating? No one has been able to answer that question. Show me a case of actual over celebration.

 

[Old Man Mike]

Modern America turns everything into a bitchfest ... it's who we are.

 

[ACamp1900]

The internet is the ring that turned us all into Gollum... not sure it's an American characteristic so much as human in this day and age tho.

 

[Rogue219]

Modern America turns everything into a bitchfest ... it's who we are.

Evidently who we are is the women's soccer team that scored two TD and missed an extra point against Thailand.

 

[Rogue219]

The internet is the ring that turned us all into Gollum... not sure it's an American characteristic so much as human in this day and age tho.

Wait, are we bitching about people bitching? I could be lost. Let me get back on track.

Discussing the sportsmanship or lack thereof in a 13-0 soccer match shouldn't mean that domestic or global society is going soft for fuck's sake.

Now if someone calls me sexist because I didn't say sportspersonship, THAT person can fuck right off.

 

[Rogue219]

I'm willing to bet America is chalk full of people who think a 13-0 soccer win is perfectly fine but if you flip your bat when hitting a home run in baseball that's a serious issue that needs to be dealt with.

 

[IrishFaninTX]

Im not sure where in that i said stop scoring??... in fact i said that i can see how Goal Differential could come in to play. All i said was that if i was coach, there would be a goal by my team, and a quiet jog back to the other end, to show some respect of the other women who are trying their best.

The football equivalent of Barry Sanders who scored many a touchdown, but handed the ball to the reff every time, and got on with his business. Trust me, I played soccer my entire life, and i understand how amazingly difficult and exciting it can be to score a goal. Especially in a WORLD CUP... but at a certain point (a 13 goal pounding would be that point) you have to show some respect and tone it all down.

This isn't the same as playing in a scrimmage against a DII opponent. This is more equivalent to the Patriots playing against a team in the playoffs who went 6-10 but won their division and its 50-0. This is essentially a playoff game, they aren't required nor expected to take it easy on the little guy. They played with a killer instinct and hopefully that ends up with them holding the trophy at the end of the tournament

 

[ACamp1900]

This isn't the same as playing in a scrimmage against a DII opponent. This is more equivalent to the Patriots playing against a team in the playoffs who went 6-10 but won their division and its 110-0. This is essentially a playoff game, they aren't required nor expected to take it easy on the little guy. They played with a killer instinct and hopefully that ends up with them holding the trophy at the end of the tournament

Prob more accurate for a football game here... 50-0 happens, 13-0 has never been seen at this level before I believe.

 

[NorthDakota]

This isn't the same as playing in a scrimmage against a DII opponent. This is more equivalent to the Patriots playing against a team in the playoffs who went 6-10 but won their division and its 50-0. This is essentially a playoff game, they aren't required nor expected to take it easy on the little guy. They played with a killer instinct and hopefully that ends up with them holding the trophy at the end of the tournament

I'd say it's more like the D1 All-America team playing the North Dakota class AAA All-State high school team.

On one end, you have the a team of the cream of the crop, and on the other....you have some folks that would probably be lucky to get some D2 or D3 offers.

 

[NDty9]

This isn't the same as playing in a scrimmage against a DII opponent. This is more equivalent to the Patriots playing against a team in the playoffs who went 6-10 but won their division and its 50-0. This is essentially a playoff game, they aren't required nor expected to take it easy on the little guy. They played with a killer instinct and hopefully that ends up with them holding the trophy at the end of the tournament

This couldnt be more INACCURATE..... Thailand womens soccer team is NOTHING CLOSE to the Patriots playing another NFL team that even made the playoffs. NOT EVEN CLOSE. The difference in talent and experience and any measurable possible between these two teams was insane. NFL teams are all on a "fair" playing field. They get the same draft, with the same eligible players. Thailand surely does not have the same resources that Team USA does lololol

 

[Rogue219]

13-0 has never been seen at this level before I believe.

No, it hasn't, which is why people are talking about it.

Our women's team is traditionally one of the best in the world. Thailand barely qualified. I think for now, we need to see how the group stage and rest of the tournament plays out. Then judge this 13-0 drubbing in context?

My sister in law coaches girls varsity HS soccer. She played at George Mason. I asked her if this was an issue for her. She said they probably could have slowed it up at 10 goals, but otherwise, it wasn't a big deal to her either way. She was more stunned it was happening as it unfolded. I asked "If Norway or Brazil had done this, would you see it differently?"

She said she'd like to think not, but she's obviously biased to the USWNT, so could not say for certain how she'd perceive it. On the surface, she said probably not, but no one has ever won a WC match by such a margin. It's hard to process.

 

[notredomer23]

Thailand's road to qualification includes two opponents who withdrew from the competition in Guam and Lebanon. All they had to beat was Chinese Taipei and Palestine.

From there, they only had to effectively win two games to qualify for the World Cup. They beat powerhouses the Phillipines and Jordan, and they lost 4-0 to China. That's it. That qualified them for the World Cup.