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I don't doubt it, the second paragraph was more just 'random thoughts with acamp'... considering travel and size vs Europe and such...

It's an interesting idea none the less Acamp. If you take the UK, Germany, Italy, or Belgium/Holland. And then compare those individually to a region in the US, say the North East or SoCal. There's probably no where near enough stadiums that could accommodate a FIFA tournament. Each country in those European countries have probably 15+ venues that are large enough, natural grass, and have train infrastructure to shuttle people to and from the stadiums immediate area. Here in the USA, I can't think of 1 region that has that many venues that are natural grass and big enough for full FIFA pitches. There's too many damn venues that use fake turf now. We have minimal train infrastructure, which we already know many European traveling fans prefer to use instead of driving.
 

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Interesting dialogue... I've always assumed our venues were typically light years ahead of most Euro venues (minus the obvious ones but those are very few)... I have met a few European soccer fans and it's always the same story... "I'm in awe of your stadiums here"... I met a Newcastle fan not too long ago who stated the Sun Bowl (We met in EL Paso) was far beyond anything he'd been to in England, including St. James or Stadium of Light. Considering those are two jewels of English football and most here laugh at the Sun Bowl I took that as very telling, but of course I've never been across the pond so I'm just working with encounters like these.
 
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Interesting dialogue... I've always assumed our venues were typically light years ahead of most Euro venues (minus the obvious ones but those are very few)... I have met a few European soccer fans and it's always the same story... "I'm in awe of your stadiums here"... I met a Newcastle fan not too long ago who stated the Sun Bowl (We met in EL Paso) was far beyond anything he'd been to in England, including St. James or Stadium of Light. Considering those are two jewels of English football and most here laugh at the Sun Bowl I took that as very telling, but of course I've never been across the pond so I'm just working with encounters like these.

I think the areas that our stadiums are superior, are the attractiveness of vendor stalls, and fan areas, that have been built up in the concourse area of our structures.

But in regards to natural grass, and correct field dimensions to safely have a soccer pitch, I dont think any 1 region in the USA would have over 10 venues. Most college venues are converting to grass in their multi-use stadiums. And I would confidently estimate that almost every single baseball stadium cannot fit a full size soccer pitch. NYC FC plays at Yankee stadium and the its comically narrow. So that leaves us which NFL stadiums have the proper dimensions, and how many of those are geograhically clustered in one of these hypothetical regions. In the northeast theres only 5 if you count Foxboro, NJ, Philly, Baltimore and Washington, and I dont even know if all 5 of those have grass, and if all 5 can fit full size pitches. Then on top of that, you could include the established soccer only pitches like Red bull Arena, Audi Field, and Talen Field. But all three of those are small capactiy, like 25k max each. So right there the North East region really only has 8 stadiums. Is Rutgers field grass, I think Uconn field is grass? That could maybe be a ninth and tenth Venue.

So I guess they could potentially host a major soccer tournament in the NE region, but it would be a stretch.
 

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Dude, Marc Bartra was reportedly hit, but not seriously... and it sounds like it was THREE separate explosions....
 

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They'll be down by two goals with little to no stoppage in the second half, somehow get five minutes of injury time, just enough time to get rewarded for multiple flagrant dives, and history shall be made...
 
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Juventus was WAY more physical than Barcelona and it made a huge difference. I don't think that the Rolls Royce likes to get hit by hammers. The two big Italians came close to making Suarez invisible and then it was double-teams and even triangles on Messi and Neymar everywhere. Juventus appeared to fear no one else on Barcelona's offense. As a soccer naif, I was surprised.
 

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Forgive me,... This game was in Turin correct?? I'll be very surprised if those hammers can so much as breathe on the big three in Spain.
 

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Forgive me,... This game was in Turin correct?? I'll be very surprised if those hammers can so much as breathe on the big three in Spain.

Yep. And a crowd of close to 100,000 will be letting the officials hear it. Juve had a meltdown against Bayern at the Allianz last year.
 

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Barca are obviously a good side, but that's three losses in Europe already this season, all by multiple goals
 

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Quote from the live updates:

"Ousmane Dembele is probably the third or fourth best Dembele I've seen this season."

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Yeah, I'm a little sad for Dortmund that they are getting throttled at home. Especially, now that yesterdays bus situation has been confirmed to be an attack and not just some fireworks/flare shenanigans from some idiot fan.
 

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It's like that first leg with Benfica... the stats read like BVB should be in complete control but they're down 2.
 

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Quote from the live updates:

"Ousmane Dembele is probably the third or fourth best Dembele I've seen this season."

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And he scores!!! In my best Yoda voice:

"There is,... another,... Dembele."
 

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You know these Monaco fans would have been out on their asses in Munich... ya'll know that right??

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This is so trivial for you guys that I won't mind if no one wants to comment, but I've been confused by the commentary that I've heard about Wayne Rooney this year and, not knowing background, don't understand.

When I began watching the USWNT a few years ago, I would occasionally watch a Men's game, which on my channels was usually EPL at the time (though I didn't even know that.) I saw this guy with the Irish name and face, (didn't even remember who he was playing for) and had the impression "This guy is really good." I occasionally decided to watch a game depending upon whether he was playing or not --- remember that I knew nothing about the European teams except some famous team names.

Then for a couple of years I didn't watch anything but the extremely painful experience of USMNT with Klinnsman, hoping maybe Dempsey might score. This last year I got into the rest of soccer and there was this guy Rooney, and a bunch of bad-mouthing or at least dismissive commentary was being made about him. Sounded like it was more than that he was just getting old. When I watched his games, he still looked pretty damm good to me, and (until Ibrahimovic) I would have thought him still their most productive player --- there was another defensive mid-fielder, also older, that I thought pretty good too.

But somewhat constant dismissiveness still went on, by almost every commentator except the Grand Contrarian, Alexi Lalas, who once deeply irritated his British fellow commentator by saying that Rooney was the only World-class soccer player that England would field on those national teams. Well, given that it was Alexi --- who I don't always take seriously but find very entertaining regardless --- I thought that my view of Wayne Rooney must be WAY off.

So --- what can you guys tell me that makes this make sense?
 

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This is so trivial for you guys that I won't mind if no one wants to comment, but I've been confused by the commentary that I've heard about Wayne Rooney this year and, not knowing background, don't understand.

When I began watching the USWNT a few years ago, I would occasionally watch a Men's game, which on my channels was usually EPL at the time (though I didn't even know that.) I saw this guy with the Irish name and face, (didn't even remember who he was playing for) and had the impression "This guy is really good." I occasionally decided to watch a game depending upon whether he was playing or not --- remember that I knew nothing about the European teams except some famous team names.

Then for a couple of years I didn't watch anything but the extremely painful experience of USMNT with Klinnsman, hoping maybe Dempsey might score. This last year I got into the rest of soccer and there was this guy Rooney, and a bunch of bad-mouthing or at least dismissive commentary was being made about him. Sounded like it was more than that he was just getting old. When I watched his games, he still looked pretty damm good to me, and (until Ibrahimovic) I would have thought him still their most productive player --- there was another defensive mid-fielder, also older, that I thought pretty good too.

But somewhat constant dismissiveness still went on, by almost every commentator except the Grand Contrarian, Alexi Lalas, who once deeply irritated his British fellow commentator by saying that Rooney was the only World-class soccer player that England would field on those national teams. Well, given that it was Alexi --- who I don't always take seriously but find very entertaining regardless --- I thought that my view of Wayne Rooney must be WAY off.

So --- what can you guys tell me that makes this make sense?

From my (outsider's) perspective, most Brits have a sort of love/hate relationship with their national team, as they feel like they should be much better than they are. And that odd dynamic is generally focused on the best English player at the time. Right now, that happens to be Rooney, but you can see a similar pattern with David Beckham, Steven Gerard, and Michael Owen before him.

He's aggressive, gets carded a lot, and has had frequent off-field issues, but that's no different than lots of other top players. So I'd chalk it up mainly to the burden of unrealistic expectation by the citizens of a former imperial power with an inferiority complex.
 

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One thing that may play into that:

When he came up the narrative/expectation from much of the English press was that Rooney would be the crown prince of English soccer. He was going to win World Cups, raise English soccer to it's rightful place atop the rest of the world and be one of the all time great players. Now he's on the down side without having done any of that and those same people in the English press are taking the predictable route for Englishmen... ;)

Edit: Whiskey kind of beat me to it...
 

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He turned down Ireland and plays for United. Doesn't really leave me any option except to hate him. As for other people, I always get the impression that English fans take out their frustration for the national team's underachievements on those who don't play for their own clubs, so any non-United loving English fans tend to dislike Rooney. Also, whiskey, I definitely wouldn't call him the best English player anymore, not even close. He doesn't start for England anymore, he hasn't been an automatic starter for the rags since the beginning of the season, and his form has been rough for a couple years now. I have a buddy who is a United fan, and he thinks that Rooney has been nothing but a major liability for the past two or three seasons.
 

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I remember when he came up... that was around the time when international soccer and Celtic and all that became 'a thing' to me... their media would just slurp all over this young, hot headed, but insanely talented kid... the fawning over Rooney is one of my first firm Euro soccer memories... it was pretty over the top.

The 06 World Cup was comical from an outside perspective... "Get him on the pitch!!!! He'll win the whole thing for us!!!!!.. Okay, thank God, he's on the pitch, now we can win this damned thin-... wait dafaq!?! He just got a red card!!! NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOooooooooooooooooooooo!!"

geez, I still smile over it.
 
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I remember when he came up... that was around the time when international soccer and Celtic and all that became 'a thing' to me... their media would just slurp all over this young, hot headed, but insanely talented kid... the fawning over Rooney is one of my first firm Euro soccer memories... it was pretty over the top.

The 06 World Cup was comical from an outside perspective... "Get him on the pitch!!!! He'll win the whole thing for us!!!!!.. Okay, thank God, he's on the pitch, now we can win this damned thin-... wait dafaq!?! He just got a red card!!! NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOooooooooooooooooooooo!!"

geez, I still smile over it.

English media put so much pressure on him, Gerrard, Lampard, etc. Feel bad for them almost.

I remember Germany '06, my first taste of soccer, the media said Germany was just hoping to not look terrible. England could learn from that.
 

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English media put so much pressure on him, Gerrard, Lampard, etc. Feel bad for them almost.

I remember Germany '06, my first taste of soccer, the media said Germany was just hoping to not look terrible. England could learn from that.

They def didn't look horrible...

I believe that was the last time we didn't make the knock outs too... we came in with our highest world ranking and got demolished by Czech right off the bat... with Italy still to come we all kind of knew it was over... sigh.

That was such a memorable WC just in general, that and 94 really stand out to me.
 

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We touched on Alexi here, he can be frustrating to listen to at times... in fairness I think he's playing the role more than anything... but I absolutely love hearing him troll on English soccer... he routinely goes at them (fans, media, players everything) hard for their insane expectations and such... at times you can just see his English counterparts boiling over some of his comments...
 

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They def didn't look horrible...

I believe that was the last time we didn't make the knock outs too... we came in with our highest world ranking and got demolished by Czech right off the bat... with Italy still to come we all kind of knew it was over... sigh.

That was such a memorable WC just in general, that and 94 really stand out to me.

Fantastic competition.

1. Headbutt
2. Rooney Red
3. Ronaldo wink after drawing Rooney Red.
4. Germany vs. Italy classic
5. Jens Lehmann pulling a piece of paper out of his sock telling him which way Argentina players shoot on PK's.

I really would have enjoyed 2010 as well but those damn plastic horns ruined half the games
 
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